Q3 and conn speed

[old.DevPac2]

I'm pretty new to Q3 and i'll currently just trying to get used to the gameplay and the weapons (Q2RG -> Q3RG is not easy

). Anyway i was playing last night with a few other players all of whom were HPW's (like me) and actually getting into the game. Then a LPB joined the server. This caused an outcry by the other HPW's on the server who then all left.

Is a good conn more of an advantage for Q3 than for other FPS's ? I have to admit that i couldn't tell, mainly due to the LPB being a damn good player aswell as being an LPB, but i'm curious to what other people think.

Dev

 

[old.SimbobX]

Can't promise this is true, just passing on the rumours and thoughts that I've heard from other people ...

Q3a has a lot of client-side prediction in it which try to 'compensate' for your connection .. more lag = more prediction .. and I gather a lot of HPBs find this annoying, especially when faced with an LPB who doesn't have so much prediction done for him and therefore has more control.

I think the idea behind it was reduce the effects of lag and the chopiness of modem conns, but I gather the upshot has been to make the game feel like it's being played with boxing gloves on

I'm not HPB and I don't know the insides of the code, so this is only stuff I've heard .. make up your own mind as to whether it's true or not.

 

[old.sjp]

i started playing online fps on Q3 (belive it or not i had never played q\qw\q2\tfc etc !)using a modem, then swapped to isdn, so heres what i think .......

i dont think that ur ping is as big a deal as some players make out - shock horror -, the improved stability of the connection IS a help though.

when i went from my modem to isdn i DID NOT turn into a great player - it certanly didnt hurt, but it didnt change me over night :{ - I Steadly improved as i played more quake :}

thats why it really pisses me off, when i join a server an a vocal minority start slaging me off because i do ok (to be fair, a lot these players also accuse me of cheating (which i dont), but thats a different story ...).

i think the simple explanation for the "precived" LPB benifit is that most lpb's ARE reasonable players, if u bear with me i can back this up .......................
..... if u are an lpb, the chances are that u are spending quite a few quid on it, so u have to be pretty much an hardcore gammer to have one

i also no plenty of hpw's who are really good players and are quite capable of beating most lpbs :}

and for a final thought ....

u ever noticed that the crap low ping player with a frag score of -3 is NEVER clled an lpb :}

 

[old.DevPac2]

One thing that has suddenly occured to me (and it now seems pretty obvious

) is that it very much depends on what sort of game you're playing. I used to play mostly (LM)CTF in Q2. There wasn't the extreme necessity for instant reactions there whereas duelling and standard DM make the ping advantage more obvious.

Dev

 

[Stoned[TC]]

Being a ISDN user myself I find this topic quite interesting.

I played quake1 for about a year with a modem and found the ping to be fine, then just as I switched over to ISDN quake3 came along and i have finally found my game.

I love quake3, I like the ppl who play it but as I have progressed through the game something has become more and more obvious.

In the last test I had a ping of about 45 on a barrysworld server but the ones I usually play on are world servers especially german/europeon ones.
In the new demo my ping has increased to about 120 and a modem users ping has increased to about 300 mark!. I played quake3 on a 56k modem last night and found it almost unplayable, one minute u would be one place - the next somewhere else!.

Whats going on - it was never that bad in quake1, also in quake3 you will be hard pressed to find a server with less than 100 ping.

My final thoughts are the difference in connections, quake 3 has served extreemly well to highlight the difference in connections. I dont think its down to ISDN Vs Modem any more.
Now its ISDN/Modem Vs Cable modem/ADSL/2mb+ dedicated lines.
This is especially true of other countries, I was on a german server a few weeks back and most of the players had pings of 5-6!!!. They got a bit pissed off when I came second

To sum up there is a new breed of LPB and frankly its begining to seem like there are more of them than there are MPB's (medium ping bastards