Pvp Euro Server Guild...just some thoughts.

[naite]

I have seen the thread Veeshan created, and altought I like the idea of being "guilded" with most medium/hardcore players of excalibur but...truth be told .... I dont think u need 150 members or more to rule in a PvP server...just look at the US server Andred:
Top 5 guilds -
Position , Name , Membership
1º Conquest 14
2º Combine 23
3º Aftermath 39
4º The Cabal 104
5º Invictus 156

On Mordred (first PvP server) things are a bit diferent..but still:
Position , Name , Membership
1º Retribution 197
2º AfterLife 10
3º Slayers 238
4º Dread 17
5º Torkan 106 (holds all relics)


Also keep in mind they many "newbie" players (and even some hardcore) will QUIT after 1 month (or less) ...and that the avg logged players in the US pvp servers (during the afternoon) is about 300.

On the other hand I am almost certain that the Uber players that play on the germans servers will most likely join forces (and they have 4 servers)...so banding up on those circunstances is not a bad idea at all.

In conclusion: My biggest fear in the PvP server is being "forced" to join a huge guild in order to survive for more than 10 minutes, and eventually in the end we will still have ZERG vs ZERG armies like in the regular servers...the only diference is that instead of realm VS realm ... we have guild vs guild. And i think this server would be more fun if it was a bit more like tribal war and not World War II ....I can be wrong...but we can only see that when the server opens.

my 2 cents...

 

[old.Anarki]

You need 150 inntial members becasue as you mentioned MANY will quit after fist month, so you will be left with around 50 members in the end. But if more i still think its good.

 

[--Eraser--]

hmmm a noob question:

did i understand it right that GUILDS are holding relics on pvp server?

about the guilds: sure thing the germans with their biggest amount of players will set up a very tough pvp guild so it really might be a good idea the excalibur ppls manage it to team up.

btw the fact im from germany doesnt make you think i will be a spy then, right?

 

[Shaki/Aeis]

Originally posted by naite
I have seen the thread Veeshan created, and altought I like the idea of being "guilded" with most medium/hardcore players of excalibur but...truth be told .... I dont think u need 150 members or more to rule in a PvP server...just look at the US server Andred:
Top 5 guilds -
Position , Name , Membership
1º Conquest 14
2º Combine 23
3º Aftermath 39
4º The Cabal 104
5º Invictus 156

Well everyone in Conquest has quit relatively long ago. Most in Combine have also quit maybe 2 weeks ago.
I am very sure Conquest had ALOT more then 14 people in their guild when they were active

So you can remove those 2 guilds and look at the others if not they also have ceased to exist

 

[old.XanateA]

Conquest had 65 members active at the very start, they did not recruit anyone else
Guilds with 200+ members died like flies.
Combine had 90 members at their peak, but they had alliance so ALOT less respect to them.
Conquest had 60 members vs the entire server, no alliances whatsoever
They had 4x more RP than #2 rp holder when they all quit andred and went to ac2 beta.

just some FACTS fyi.

 

[old.Filip]

same story with aftermath..

Conquest succed them self to death... exped way faster than the others so they had the first lvl 50 before any others got to 40 (at least what im told)

Combined Allied them self to death... (no1 to kill = boored)

Aftermath .. no clue why they stoped..

and yes guilds holds relics..

and yes 50% of the ppl on the server will drop after 1 month..

you think you have seen grif players ? bahh

time to repeat my piss ppl of trick ... kill group leave rezzer alive /leave ... come back 30 min after kill all but rezzer
repeat a lot...

 

[naite]

That's the problem with Uber hardcore players...they bore themselfs to dead after racing like crazys to be the firsts ones on the server...after that...well...they have to wait so that everyone gets near their level to spice things up a bit
(most of them quit or stop playing during that time).

No worthy opponents no fun mates

 

[old.Prof]

On Andred the guilds dropped like flies - and I'm talking about semi-proffesionally organised guilds. The "uber" guilds. With CQ and Combine gone virtually EVERY guild that was formed in the first weeks of Andred is currently DEAD (I remember Combine had over 100 members in their top days, which is about the maximum to keep such a guild on the rails).

The other "non-uber" guilds dropped even faster though ...

Yes, PvP is THAT demanding - don't expect a relaxing, fun trip, it's powergaming ++. I hope the ppl now preparing a guild for PvP realise this - once it starts off it's a bitter fight for survival.

 

[Killgorde]

Zergs are only boring because they happen with predictable regularity at the same place from afternoon to evening (Emain). And they are chaotic affairs. Variation is the spice of life, and RvR (at least on this server-but it is improving) aint got much variation to shout about. You want variation you make an effort yourselves to change things...nobody else will do it for you.

Now, imagine for a moment 8-10 guilds of +100 peeps who all want to hold a relic or 6, and waging war against each other not in some poxy tightly confined zone but over 3 realms and God knows how many zones. I do have a theory that the EU PvP will be more balanced than the US one. I played another PvP game on both sides of the Atlantic and the Germans were far more aggressive and competetive than the Yanks, and also far more organised.

Unlike those who seem to predict a German + French > English server equation, a lot of the German and French guilds will want to compete with each other for the relics. Some will sink and others will swim. The 150 figure Veeshan mentioned is about right from the queries I have made to some of the leading guilds on the other servers...but if that status quo is kept (and I wouldn't thing anyone would want to even imagine a guild chat with 500 peeps in it) the server may end up with 10 guilds which are reasonable evenly matched. Admittedly, its a bit of a bugger for the smaller guilds, but I predict some awesome interguild rivalry will lead to some great battles when the server has matured.

A word of warning. I would suggest that anyone with the petty "we won the war" attitude stays away, because if you do start spouting that kind of out-dated bullshit on the PvP server you are in for a very swift kick in the nuts and and more than likely all the German (or French if you make racist remarks to them) guilds will ally together to do it, so don't give them the motivation to.

/Salutes

 

[Tigerius]

Originally posted by Killgorde


A word of warning. I would suggest that anyone with the petty "we won the war" attitude stays away

Yeah and it aint even true is it, they owned you until you cross-realmed and zerged them

 

[morabiliz]

when the guild starts to die just merge with another one.
No problem at all.

out of 150 ppl I guess there will be 20 hardcore at most