Purge vs Determinition

[Gahldir]

So, wich one is most usefull in your opinions and why?

maybe Purge + 1-2 lvls of Determinition is the best?

 

[old.0xygen]

determination level 3 = 45% cut off negative effects
Purge instantly removes all effects 30min timer

Personally I'm just going determ

 

[Bedroc the Hero]

IM definitly going Purge! If nothing else just to see the shock and surprise on my enemies eyes when I break free at the worst possible moment ( for them! )

What Im not sure about is if someone can remess me as soon as I break free. If so both are pretty useless.. SO I guess they cant .

 

[Novamir]

yea purge

the look on minstrel/skald face after you purge will be priceless

 

[Wuren]

Raven Ardent (R5 L1)
Total Points: 41 Unused Points: 0

(2) Augmented Dexterity +12 dex
(3) Mastery of Pain +15 % chance of critical hit
(2) Determination -30 % mez/stun/root duration
(2) First Aid +60 % heal, 15min timer, not in combat
(1) Ignore Pain 100% heal, 30min timer, any time


Lots of druids/bard will have group purge and anti mezz spell whatever anyway.

 

[old.lewstherin]

doesnt the spirit resistance also shorten mez dur?

 

[old.Kal]

purge gets rid of res sicknes......

and what happens if ur mezzer gets mezzed ? no demezz spells...

and 45% reduction in mez time of 70s ? still mezzed for 30..plenty of time to gank your healer, casters, mezzers etc etc

 

[belth]

Originally posted by old.Kal
purge gets rid of res sicknes......

and what happens if ur mezzer gets mezzed ? no demezz spells...

and 45% reduction in mez time of 70s ? still mezzed for 30..plenty of time to gank your healer, casters, mezzers etc etc

What about rest of the 29 minutes you can be mezzed, etc after purge?

 

[tilde]

Go for both imho, atleast as a tank.

RvR is all about CC, and result in who taps the insta-mez button first wins. And the fights are never long, only a matter of a few minutes.

Trust me, the 30min timer will mostly be there for you. U think 30min damn thats long, but fights lasts for 2-3mins and then another 30min until next one

Oh btw, get IP if u can. U'll not regret it at all, especially as rouge-class (uber-ra for rouges, hurry before they nerf it )


Hope to see u all on pvp btw

 

[Kagato.]

Purge will break all negative spell effects, and it keeps you immune for 1 minute to stop them recasting, 1 minute is plenty long enough to whack that caster.

However reading future patch notes, theres alot more coming to weaken mezz, such as heal spells breaking it, the de-mezz spells and other unnannounced changes. So theres a good argument for going for the 100% instant in-combat heal.

I plan to get both eventually but as for which to go for first, its a very tough choice but I think purge is most vital. Though at least you can use the instant heal in PvE too (I think?).

After that the ability that increases chance to critical hit is nice, what the cost on that for level 1, 3 levels?

 

[Karam_gruul]

Originally posted by Kagato.
Purge will break all negative spell effects, and it keeps you immune for 1 minute to stop them recasting, 1 minute is plenty long enough to whack that caster.

However reading future patch notes, theres alot more coming to weaken mezz, such as heal spells breaking it, the de-mezz spells and other unnannounced changes. So theres a good argument for going for the 100% instant in-combat heal.

I plan to get both eventually but as for which to go for first, its a very tough choice but I think purge is most vital. Though at least you can use the instant heal in PvE too (I think?).

After that the ability that increases chance to critical hit is nice, what the cost on that for level 1, 3 levels?

omfg it makes u immune for a minute!? but... whats the point in having casters then? no caster will stand a chance against a tank. what are they gonna do, regen they're mana at us!?

 

[tilde]

Attack caster, get QC mez'd then stunned. U purge and kill caster

Zerg, get insta-mezzed. Have detemination and/or good resists. Duration = 10-15sec

Get stunned by hibbie-nerf, duration 3-4secs

Run around and not recieve heals from the no-longer-existant-clerics = use IP


Sounds good? It is, but GTAE will counter-part it later on

Well, lets say that MCL i.e (25% mana every 5min) is damn useful in PvE. So, u now have a reason for RA's in pve too

 

[old.LandShark]

Passive > Timered
Determination 2 or 3, all the way. Especially since purge anulls the 1min immunity until 1.51...

 

[Kagato.]

It is powerful yes, but remember its 30 minute timer, which is often close to the time between big battles I guess. But hey, why shouldn't it be powerful, its about time we tanks had a chance to do more in RvR then bash doors.



Didn't quite understand the post but is someone saying he that purge gets altered in 1.51 or countered somehow to be less effective? As I understand it, it purges you of all negative effects and keeps you immune for 1 minute, what changes?

 

[old.Vandgard]

Normally when mezzed you should have a one minute mezz immunity so you can't be chain mezzed, purge was bugged so that when it was used it set the immunity timer to zero allowing you to be mezzed again.

Or so i understood it.

This is fixed in 1.51, untill which purge is alot less usefull than it should be.

 

[Kagato.]

Ah thanks for explaining vandgard.

Hmmmm, still, guess its best to get it and just wait for 1.51

 

[old.¥ØÐÄ]

purge doesnt make u immune to negative effects for 1 min . if you get mezz'd and purge you only dispell mezz for one min . u can still be snared/rooted/stunned debuffed etc etc . imo the best ra by far in alb is sos . sos once enabled lets u run at dble speed for 30 seconds . during those 30 seconds u can NOT be mezz'd/stunned/rooted etc etc . and the speed does NOT break . hence a absoloutly awesome escape route for chars who have it . u can though however still be dmged by melee/nukes etc etc but no negative effects.

as for purge i think it is usefull and should be used . u not alwys grpd with a sorc/mins "if u an alb" . so u wont always have somebody with a cure mez spell . and if u r and that person is mezz'd also your fucked . purge is a pain in the ass but imo its a great ra and will save your life 1000000's of times if u buy it .

 

[err0r]

Originally posted by Novamir
yea purge

the look on minstrel/skald face after you purge will be priceless

Heh, you really think someone will be surprised? Think again

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by old.lewstherin
doesnt the spirit resistance also shorten mez dur?

Depends on the mezz spell....
healers are body, bards too
think cleric mezz is spirit
sorc is energy

 

[Ensceptifica]

Come to think of it, something like purge would be nice... I depend on my bubble, but since I get stunned, paralysed and mezzed as soon as I encounter an invader, the bubble is canceled and I remain a weak tank in that encounter.

 

[Flimgoblin]

you're still mezzed while under speed of sound... just you can keep moving

it does make roots/snares completely inneffective (unless they last longer than the speed of sound... so anything over 30s at which point you're rooted/mezzed/etc for real)

Don't get me wrong - it's a damned good ability but it's not immunity.

 

[Vell]

I think it's slightly amusing that you all complain mezz is too powerful and should be removed - and when you are given the chance to get rid of it via a realm ability, you don't take it.....

 

[belth]

I'm not paying 10 RSP for an ability I can use once in 30 minutes Maybe at RR7, which is... Hmm, never?

 

[old.LandShark]

Most tank RA's are crap, so they've got plenty of free RApts for purge AND determination.