Punkbuster, Cheating and Leagues

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old.Kain

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It's amazing that with the amount accusations of cheating flying around every other match that still no european leagues require punkbuster. Punkbuster is a low-on-resources program that detects and dumps cheaters. It has been tested extensivly and it works. I've never had trouble with it and I have seen it work.

Three main reasons have always stood in the way of punkbuster being required in leagues.
#1 - Lag. Many say they experience lad while using punkbuster. - Lag? I've tested this over a 56k line and feel no lag whatsoever.

#2 - Installing problems. Many say they have problems getting punkbuster to work and connection to servers. - Bah I say at these people as they don't have enough computer skills to start up a browser.

#3 - Punkbuster not required. - I think all serious leagues should have punkbuster as a required proggy to have. Leagues should run their own Punkbuster master servers and keep a list of cheaters cought.

The main reason in my opinion for people resisting punkbuster is because they are cheating. And actually I think I'm pretty close to the mark when I state that 40% of all TFC league players are cheating.

Yeah yea.. Start souting and yelling..
There is no other explanation. I've tested punkbuster extensivly and never found any problems with it. IF you don't want to play with punkbuster it means you have something to hide.

So get your act together League Admins and get PunkBuster rolling.. I for one am very tired of cheaters, accusations of cheating and faul language being thrown around as a result.

Stop the cheaters! Play fair!
 
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SAS

Guest
This topic has been covered so many times now I've lost count.

Check the thread on the game servers forum started by deathace and on there you see a long talk about it. Pros and cons.

The fact is punkbuster does NOT stop cheating. It's just another hurdle which the cheats get over.

There are hacked punkbuster programs out there. They release a update so do the cheats and all punkbuster does is make us normal players think the server we play on is cheat free which is not true.
 
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]SK[

Guest
Yup even drops people that dont cheat, cause league matchs to be paused untill that player reconnects.
 
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Ch3tan

Guest
I believe ( and I am sure Kurt Or Seriel Killer will correct me) that Pb was trialed in the bwtfcl last season. SOme modem users were getting lagg and it was kicking for no reason.

I am a fan of Pb, or at least was. Even with the latest version of Pb I have seen that poeple on 56k get unplayable lag (and yes it may not ahppen to you but it does to some). The other problem with PB is that at the end of the day its still beta software in testing.

I have just played ina small Pb league, and even though PB only had to check 2 servers it suffered problems, it wouldn't auth players keys for tags and would auth a player than say they were not auth seconds later (this was 2 weeks ago so it was the latest version of PB).

Also BW did a PB test, running it only on 2 servers, and it was constantly crashing or just going crazy and kicking everyone.

Also Pb gives u a very,very false sense of security. DO you realise how many of teh latest all in one CS cheats/hacks claim to get past PB? Do u realise that these hacks are updated more often than PB?

A little example of Pb making u feel secure? I was playing on a PB required server for several hours, 2 players were doing very well. Because Pb had authed them no one dared to call them cheats (were normally I would have, some dodgy shit). Then Pb started updating, when it finished one got a aimbot pb violations the other got wallahck violations. These players were hapilly playing on this Pb server for at least a week, and casue pb said they were ok everyone believed it.

Cs 1.3 and HL 1108 are coming and hopefully they will fix cheating greatly.
 
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old.DeerHunter

Guest
Before the start of last season, the BWTFCL admins were almost all very much pro-Punkbuster. We wanted to get it running for the coming season, but Deathace was very reluctant to host any external software at BW. So instead we managed to get outside hosting which was run on the same system as UKTFCL. Unfortunatly as you've said, it didn't take long before Punkbuster went mad and started kicking everyone. As a result, BWTFCL had to remove its PB monitoring, and I suspect we will be reluctant to make it compulsary until it is shown to us as being reliable.
 
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Embattle

Guest
Another problem is the false sense of security that people get under PB.
 
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bigfoot

Guest
It is highly unlikely we will use Punkbuster in the new season of the BarrysWorld CS League.
 
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Embattle

Guest
Problem with PB is the fact its building on a game that is very weak in the cheats area...with this next patch perhaps it might improve.
 
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Ch3tan

Guest
I dont think people release how powerful the current generation of all in one HL hacks are.

Someone authed with Pb is assumed to be clean, yet they track through walls and get headshots every time.

Problem with Pb is that its third party software, if it was a valve inhouse project it would fucntion more effectively and probably be required on most servers.

Valve seem reluctunt to stop cheats, hopefully with hl 1108 they will rectify their stance on cheats.
 
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old.clarky

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i downloaded pb the other day , and keen to try it out joined a pb server, after half an hour of struggling against some top notch players i made the comment "its easier playing on servers wiv cheats"...some f*%k witt took this comment to mean i myself was cheating and immediately started whinging to have me kicked!
seems that even if you can avoid cheaters , youre aways gonna get the pain in the but whiners!
 
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old.Pace

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Yea i have played on the 4k server before where is it pb required, there was one guy wallhacking and no1 was bothered.

Also lag, is does make quite a bit of difference, i dont think its net connection that makes the differnce though, with me it laggs because of my rubbish HDD, and is worse than normal lagg.

How could i make my HDD speed better? i have 196mb ram.
 

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