Prydwen's Assotiation of RolePlayers: Help needed!

[old.Ziera]

Greetings!

I am in a small guild with both roleplayers and non-roleplayers..
When in this position you don’t have a lot of ppl to work with so we have decided to make a good cross-guild roleplaying community for Prydwen.

We will create forums and make small events so ppl can gather and get to know eachother's chars.

I need someone from Hibernia and Midgaard who will be in charge of advertising and moderating (or finding someone to do so) the forums created for your realm.



Plz tell me if you would be interested in helping us with this project so we can find a date and time to talk things through on IRC

 

[Pixie.Pebr]

Im your for this job
Send me a PM or talk to me in-game.

/Graham

 

[old.VooVoo]

theres already a board out there that has cross realm RP going on.

DAoC Roleplaying European Forums

Its got quite a good community there and theres always regulary Roleplaying posts going on.

Take a look see is this is what your after.

 

[old.Ziera]

I have posted there myself a few times

But, it is not what im looking for. I want the in-game rp community to improve. That is why I will only make it for Prydwen. I want ppl to pitch event ideas to eachother, I want ppl to start rp'ing with other than their guildmates when in game. Big celebrations, events for those interested, created by the players.

But to make all this easier, I need a forum, and I need ppl from Midgaard and Hibernia to help run those forums and advertise for them.

Graham, thanks for your offer, I am sure I can find something for you to do )

 

[old.VooVoo]

Well you got a big task ahead of you, since there isn't any RP enforced servers. Though a congratulate any guild that trys to RP in this enviroment because it can be tough. when people go around useing speech like 'hi m8, i need some hlp plz' or this sad leet speech crap. But i know there's quite a few players/guilds that RP at any oppitunity, even sometime i try too, i'm not good at it but i try when i can.

I know for a fact (since there in our alliance) that the Artisans of Willow RP when every they can, and its not just internal guild thing they RP outside the guild too. I'm sure there's other dedicated RP guilds out there but i only know ones i've had contact with.

But you can do everything you want with those forums you just have to post about it. make sure you state want you want on a OOC forum bit. i think you'll find they'll be more than glad to help. i find it a bit silly (in my opinion ment as no offence) to set up another RP board to arrange events and get to know characters when theres a board that that can already do that if you talk to the people there. I'd just recommend talking with the people there or meet them ingame. see what you can come up with, theres no harm in trying mate =)

 

[old.The McScrooges]

Great idea.

Publish the fact that there are RPers out there not in a RP guild.

I'd join but I don't want to be in an organisation called:

PARP.

 

[krill-nyd]

I think you'll be in danger of fragmenting further the role-players. That's a good forum, why not work within that? To be honest, I'd be interested but already have 5 forums I want to check for DAOC. That's already too many.

[edited to add] I also meant to say this sounds a good idea and I hope you get something off the ground. Just not another forum ..

 

[blain]

Been there, done that, GOT NO SUPPORT

Blain
EX-Webmaster
http://prydwen-camelot.co.uk

 

[blain]

PS

You may wanna rethink your name, cos its acronym would be PARP

 

[old.Ziera]

Thank you all so much for your response )

Well, the forum idea has been called off, after all, this is something that should bring joy, not difficulties

So, as it is now, we will create gatherings for the rp'ers so they can get to know eachother...I am not exactly sure how to do this atm but I am sure we will think of something.

We will try to get a connection to the event team going, so we can help update them with the player created events/scenarios, in the hope that they will create further events build on those stories.

Oh and regarding the name, plz come with suggestions if you have any

And plz keep the response comming

 

[old.Ziera]

btw, I am not killing the forum completely, we still need it to exchange event ideas. But that will be a closed forum i think.

 

[old.Aethelstan]

Ziera

Right from the start of DAoC, a group of us decided that roleplay was going to be very difficult in-game. As all roleplayers know, it's very challenging to maintain any level of roleplay immersion when there are plenty of folks in the immediate vicinity who aren't roleplaying. That's the hand we were dealt here, and I have no problem with those who don't wish to roleplay at all. However, to me, roleplaying is what makes the game more fun than Medal of Honour.

That's why we formed the Order of the Knights Templar. The idea is that by deliberately having an open-door policy to the Guild, with the only requirement being the willingness to stay in-character, we will build a big enough community to effectively enable us to roleplay enjoyably without having to seek out isolated individuals elsewhere. The size also enables us to spend much of our time in all- or majority-Templar groups, which is not because we're elitist in any way, but because this enables us to stay as in-character as the hunting system will allow.

By and large, this approach has worked. We now have a very large number of members, and although the roleplaying isn't of the highest possible standard at all times (and as with all roleplayers, we still have discussions and disagreements about what is and isn't acceptable etc), the bottom line is that the "background noise" within the Guild is always in-character. This really helps those of us who wish to maintain that immersion roleplayers seek, and allows those who want to take it further to do so, while those for whom light-touch isall they seek can pursue that line. I'm delighted to say that we seem to have reached critical mass, and some very serious roleplaying is starting to develop, which is almost certainly helped along by the in-character situation on guild chat and in guild groups. We have effectively created a roleplaying community within Prydwen through the use of the Guild structure.

The next bit is hard to say without seeming acquisitive or aggressive, but bear with me. I know there are some people out there who roleplay in other Guilds, and I respect them immensely for their ability to maintain their immersion in a largely OOC environment. I know I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable in a Guild where roleplay wasn't required, but I understand entirely those people who like to dabble, but have friends who don't roleplay or sometimes need to talk about the footie. That's fine. But frankly, I want ALL other roleplayers in the Templars. This is purely selfish.

The more good roleplayers I have easy and regular access to, the more I'll enjoy the game. It's nothing to do with a power trip (as most large Guild officers will tell you, as the Guild grows, so does your headache), and everything to do with trying to realise the vision which launched DAoC and games like it - a true online roleplaying community. So rather than try to form some cross-Guild roleplaying structure in-game (and VooVoo has already pointed to the Prydwen roleplaying messageboards), why not give the Templars a try. Start an alt, transfer your main, whatever, and if you don't like it, leave. But if you want to roleplay, and you want to play in as in-character an atmosphere as you can given the limitations of the game, then I think you may find the Templars can offer some of that.

See you in Ye Mug.

 

[old.Hendrick]

Don't you just have to love our little Napoleon? :wub:

 

[old.bea]

Originally posted by old.Hendrick
Don't you just have to love our little Napoleon? :wub:

Little <chuckle>

He is rather good though!

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Got one lined up...

A few of us are working together to make some ongoing adventures and campaign stuff up. We still need a few more peeps ingame to make it all work properly.

PM Roo ingame if you want to join in. The first of these is about ready to go and will probably run sometime next week. Small and simple to start with, but as we get peeps to bounce ideas around it will hopefully grow. It works best if there are a few of us working together to give the stories some depth with more characters to lend weight to it.

PM Roo on Mid/Pryd if you want to join in, or if you want to start one of your own and need warm bodies to help out.

 

[old.Ayam Ganbatte]

Roleplaying in Midgard interests me a lot more than in Albion. In Albion, it seems a typical roleplaying environment: everybody is a handsome human hero. This is probably more familiar and easy to get to grips with for most roleplayers, but Midgard's diversity of races (both in physical appearance and background) sets the foundation for roleplaying that I deem more interesting than that found in Albion, just because it is a break from the roleplaying norm. Given that the four most prominent people in our guild are a dwarf, kobold, norseman and troll, it makes for some incredibly entertaining participation.

 

[Fafnir]

Lo, Grimbane here the handsome troll hero...

Me wanna go viking for mead and glory, me wield big sword. So me like mead too. Me not know what to do, me confused.

 

[Hufner]

As for closed forums for event-planning and such - as Valoria hosts guild-forums and other closed forums, I think it should be possible to get closed forums there as well as the ongoing open forums.
If you want, I can ask the admin for those forums.

e-mail me at hufner@purples.cc or just pm me

 

[old.Aethelstan]

Originally posted by old.Hendrick
Don't you just have to love our little Napoleon? :wub:

Hmm. Napoleon was French, was he not ? Could I not be Bismarck - now he was a powerful bloke !

 

[old.linnet]

Ah

Now I see it all! Iron Chancellor/ Ironhand ... so clear.

Do I get to be Mata Hari?


Lin

 

[Ardwan]

Originally posted by old.Aethelstan


Hmm. Napoleon was French, was he not ? Could I not be Bismarck - now he was a powerful bloke !

You can be Margret Thatcher, now that was a powerful bloke..

 

[old.Ziera]

Aethelstan
I cannot join your guild, but thank you for the kind offer.

Utopia is my guild, and so far, we have done pretty good with the roleplayers we have, trouble is we need diversity. I gave both Utopia, Templars and one from SoTL a bit of diversity with my event a couple of weeks back. I want to create more of those, but I want it to be for everyone. A lot of ppl are in guilds they love, but which are not solely rp-guilds. I want to help theses ppl have fun with rp'ing without them having to change guild.

Roo, that sounds very exiting, would you care to share your ideas with me? I will send you a PM with an URL to our forum as soon as I am done configurating it

Hufner, thank you very much, but I have already been given the dusty halls of an old rp-guilds forum

 

[Turamber]

<nods in agreement with Ziera>

There appears to be a move within the Templars to a more strict approach to roleplaying (frowning on references to "rez" for example in a recent post by an officer on the guild website). I love to roleplay and have enjoyed many roleplaying games in the past, but I wouldn't classify myself as a hardline roleplayer.

At the moment I'm guildless, having left the Templars (on good terms and with best wishes extended to them), but for all roleplayers to join one guild seems very silly.

There has to be room for other roleplay guilds in Albion, and events for people who like to roleplay from time to time; for them all to be swallowed up in one big guild seems a bit daft IMHO. The Templars 'critical mass' already has some people leaving who aren't happy with various things, and officers who are stressed out from problems.

More roleplaying guilds = more diversity in Albion, and that can't be a bad thing.

 

[old.Aethelstan]

Originally posted by old.Turamber
There appears to be a move within the Templars to a more strict approach to roleplaying (frowning on references to "rez" for example in a recent post by an officer on the guild website). I love to roleplay and have enjoyed many roleplaying games in the past, but I wouldn't classify myself as a hardline roleplayer.

I'm going to stamp on this quite hard. Because it's bollocks. There is no "move within the Templars" to adopt a stricter approach to roleplaying. We have not changed our rules since Tanya created the Guild, and we have no plans to. There are discussions between members as to personal preferences (if you'd carried on reading that thread you would have noted another officer - me - taking a different line on language). We have one roleplaying requirement, and one only - stay in-character with other Templars. All that's happened recently is that we've attracted a few people who accepted this rule in order to get in, but then kicked against it or ignored it once inside. One member was perhaps a little over-blunt in his attempt to remind certain people of our rules, which caused friction. There might well be an issue about how we enforce the rules, but there is, and never will be, an issue about whether to enforce them. The rules do not change. We REQUIRE roleplaying. If we didn't, we wouldn't be a roleplaying Guild. In actual fact, we are tremendously relaxed about minor infringements, use of common combat abbreviations and so on. That is how we manage to encompass a large range of roleplayers, from the accomplished wordsmiths to the inexperienced player who wants to try it out.

Originally posted by old.Turamber
At the moment I'm guildless, having left the Templars (on good terms and with best wishes extended to them), but for all roleplayers to join one guild seems very silly.....
There has to be room for other roleplay guilds in Albion, and events for people who like to roleplay from time to time; for them all to be swallowed up in one big guild seems a bit daft IMHO. The Templars 'critical mass' already has some people leaving who aren't happy with various things, and officers who are stressed out from problems.

There is room for other roleplaying Guilds, and indeed at one time there was another roleplaying Guild called (I think) Mystics of Albion. Not sure what the situation is now. But so much here depends on your definition of a roleplayer. Seems to me there are three broad categories of player. There's those who wish to roleplay all the time; there's those who like the odd bit of roleplaying, but are also happy not to roleplay too; and there are those who don't roleplay at all. The vast majority of Prydwen Albion players fit in the last group. Then there are far smaller portions who fit in the first and second group. The Templars are only interested in the first group. If you like to roleplay from time to time, but also want to discuss football over the guild channel, then the Templars is most definitely not the Guild for you.

As for people leaving, in a Guild with over 80 members, it would be astonishing if there wasn't some turnover. We've had people leave because of personal disagreements, people leave because they've left the game, people leave to join their non-roleplaying friends, people leave because not enough Guildmates said "hello" to them when they logged on (!!??!!), people leave because they wanted to start their own Guild, or because they thought the Templars didn't level them fast enough. But this has nothing to do with our size (small Guilds collapse all the time) or ethos (people leave non-roleplaying Guilds in similar numbers) and everything to do with the individuals who left. Enough other Guilds have completely collapsed to suggest that, actually, we're one of the more stable guilds in Albion.

Originally posted by old.Turamber
More roleplaying guilds = more diversity in Albion, and that can't be a bad thing.

This would certainly be true if Prydwen was an entire-roleplay server. You could have evil guilds, holy guilds, saracen guilds etc etc. It would be great, and I'd love to see it. But Prydwen isn't a roleplay server. Not even close. What this means is that if - at a generous estimate, 10% of the server's population are roleplayers (my definition - those who wish to stay in-character as much as possible), then you're talking no more than 50-60 people at any one time wanting to roleplay in Albion.

For me, and most other roleplayers I know, the reason why we seek out roleplay servers and roleplay Guilds is that we want to roleplay, and enjoyable roleplaying is only possible with other roleplayers. This seems self-evident. But MMORPGs are restricted by their communication mechanisms. On DAoC, the main multi-person method of communication is the Guild. On a roleplay server, this is not limiting, as it would mean lots of groups of roleplayers, all with separate motivations/priorities interacting with each other, and occasionally interacting with other, different, groups. Great. On a non-roleplay server, it means isolated individuals within non-roleplay guilds hoping to bump into that elusive 1 in 10 Albion who might actually be interested in roleplaying back, while trying to screen out all the OOC chat on their guild channel or in their Guild groups.

So the choice we roleplayers have before us on Prydwen is essentially this - do we want to : (a) join one of four or five very small Guilds of 10 people or less in which we rarely interact with other roleplayers beyond those 10; (b) join a non-roleplay Guild, and try to stay in-character while listening to people discussing dps, Eastenders and Kylie Minogue; or (c) join together in one large roleplaying Guild, where they can stay in-character all the time while having easy access to interact with up to 50 other roleplayers.

As I said before, I really respect those people who can roleplay in a non-roleplay Guild, or who are content to interact with the same handful of people all the time. I couldn't, I just wouldn't enjoy it. But that doesn't make them daft. My preference is (c), and I don't think that makes me silly.

 

[Jupitus]

Originally posted by old.Aethelstan
So the choice we roleplayers have before us on Prydwen is essentially this - do we want to : (a) join one of four or five very small Guilds of 10 people or less in which we rarely interact with other roleplayers beyond those 10; (b) join a non-roleplay Guild, and try to stay in-character while listening to people discussing dps, Eastenders and Kylie Minogue; or (c) join together in one large roleplaying Guild, where they can stay in-character all the time while having easy access to interact with up to 50 other roleplayers.

Lord Jupitus 'Sitonthefence' DarkShadow isn't about to be drawn on the overall discussion herein, but wanted to share a light thought pertaining to point (b) above

We actually had 2 hardcore roleplayers within our guild for a while who sadly left DAoC and are no longer with us. However, they stayed in character all of the time, and although we don't always talk about Kylie (that's a different discussion sometime, I hope ) our guild chat is definitely not roleplay. The point here? The more casual roleplayers amongst us (myself and Lunar included) actually had full roleplay discussions in our guild chat in and amongst all of the other chat which almost turned into daily entertainment for the rest of the guild. Would Meg lure Jupitus into misbehaving behind Lunar's back? How many more market stall would Tamalin manage to ruin with his over-zealous pets? Did Meg know that Lunar was fast approaching Prydwen keep as she persuaded Jupitus to nurse her swollen, snake-bitten, ankle? You could almost hear the drum fill at the end of each episode as the credits suddenley rolled past.

<sighs>

I do miss Meg though.....

 

[Sarum TheBlack]

Quite an essay you've got there Aeth

I think the Mystics fit (used to anyway) somewhere between your second and third groups. When it was set up, we didn't have a strict "you must RP" entrance rule. We did have a "don't speak out-of-world in public chat" rule, but it proved impossible to enforce in the environment, so we scrapped that too. So some of the members RP'd some of the time, and that was about it.

Best of luck Ziera (and everyone else involved of course) setting this up, if you get something going, or need a hand, drop me a line

 

[old.Ziera]

Aeth

I must tell you now that this thread was not ment to be a commercial for, nor a place to dicuss the internal affairs of your guild.

The fact is that there are a lot of ppl who fit under catagory (b) (I so hate to be fit into a box) And there are a lot of ppl who don't roleplay cos they think their language abilities, imagination ect isn't good enough for it or simply because they havent had a chance to try it out yet. I wish to give them an oppotunity to try it, to see that you do not have to be a walking dictionary to be able to roleplay. The Templars might focus on the so called group (a). This has nothing to do with the Templars as a guild, but something to do with all who have the slightest interest in roleplay. We started this project to focus on all you wanted us to do so.
Our first event will be launched in Albion in about a week or two, so we are going somewhere. A homepage is being built with alot of exiting things (you will have to see for yourself when Carrain lets me publish the adress) and our forum (no in char thing) is now open for all who wish to let us know their ideas

Prydwen RolePlayers

 

[old.Aethelstan]

Ziera - This isn't about advertising the Templars as a Guild, but about making people aware that there is a community of full-time roleplayers in-game. Any thread on these semi-official boards which addresses roleplaying I am going to set out the stall for that community. I think a lot of people perhaps don't initially think there is any roleplaying in Prydwen Albion because their first experience will include the joke names and the "wtf, r u a noob, plz?" chat. I want anyone who is looking for that full-time immersion to know that there is at least one place they can maximise it. Unity is strength, and all that. I do want to try and get as many roleplayers (those who fit in my category (a), if you will) as possible in one guild so as to maximise roleplaying opportunity. And on the subject of internal discussions, the first rule of spin-doctoring is rapid rebuttal. If someone posts something inaccurate and possibly damaging about one of your policies, then provide a rebuttal straight away, wherever it occurs.

Personally, I don't see "events" as such as roleplaying. Roleplaying for me is ongoing, and so is the character you are all the time, not just on certain defined occasions. However, having said that, different people have different definitions of roleplaying, and I have no intention of trying to force mine on anyone. It'd be odd if the largest single collection of roleplayers in Pryd/Albion stood apart from any event organised for the more casual practitioners. So if we can help, let us know.

Jupitus - as I said, I couldn't do what you do, but I'm always impressed by those who can. It's a shame your two full-timers have left. I would have liked to have known them. Maybe if they had easier access to a few more like-minded souls they might have stayed in DAoC. Perhaps an example of why spreading the few roleplayers across many different Guilds isn't all that desirable ? Or perhaps not ! And on the subject of Kylie....

 

[old.Ziera]

Aethelstan, I am not trying to divide the roleplay community, I am trying to gather it. This is not an easy assignment so I would like some contructive critisism here. I will not get into a debate of what roleplay is or is not - It varies from each individual, as do preferences of guild. If you do not think events is a way to practice your roleplaying, then please do not attend. I have no interest in "stealing" possible members for you. This has absolutely nothing to do with guilds, not even Utopia is mixed up in this, it has to do with individuals who share the same oppinion about the roleplaying community on this server.


This was not ment to offend people, I have said this before, it was ment to bring pleasure. Actually it hurts to see that an officer of Pryd/Alb's largest rp guild can take such a negative attitude towards it, but we are not doing this for you, we are doing this for all (more repeating :/ )

 

[LunarDarkShadow]

Actually Aeth, roleplaying in a non roleplay environment is easier than you would think.

In fact, it's quite fun to stay in character while all around you are discussing stats and Kylie (lord knows why Kylie!)

I think, however, myself and Jupitus chose rp characters that had many aspects of our own real life personalities, so it's easy for us to slip into character, aswell as bringing a little extra to the guild chat.

The only problem is slipping out again. I find Lunar turns up all over the place in my day to day life these days.