Prime time or not prime time

[lac_desariel]

To all Realms..

Guys and Gals.... I not here to whine or flame and if you are can you plz start on a differnt post...

I see many a time what it prime time and whats not.... can it be done or not... its 24/7 .. its war.. and so on,
Forget all that for now,

War has rulkes like the Ganeva Convention for example....

Questioin i raise is this... What are we as 3 differnet realm wanting to do about it?
1. Do we raid any time 24/7 and quit the flaming now about it?
2. We could all agree on set Parameters.... Like boundries ( like the GC has)

Bear in mind most are on CET but this is also an English server so be considerate to those on GMT...

Examples would be Weekdays a raid can start between 5pm and 11pm GMT
Weekends 9am and 01.00 GMT

thats just examples then all know the Primetime and no one can whine and put excuses for growing complacent.

Just a though thats all. disguard if you not like, dont flame cos that tells me you dont care at all. or are to Stupid to sort a problem that always comes about

 

[lac_desariel]

Even as an Idea each Realm Appoint a rep to post its realm thoughts .. Chat in your Allainces and see what the key players think??

 

[Fagane]

I am an Alb, and I can only say that the Mids did deserve the Relic. Only thing I do not agre on was that it is posible to get all Relics in 1 raid. I hope that Relics can only be raided 1 at a time with atleast 6 hours in between.

But as it is now, its fine by me. I see a lot of players just playing SI and not caring for the Relics in Alb. Even with comments "who cares". So mids, you did win this fair! Only the bad thing was that it is posible to take all in 1 go.

But I do think you could have gottem them all even with 6 hours in between, so gratz on you, and whine for us. And a few big flames for the big RvR guilds who did not help (or do they ever help?) or high levels who did sweeter play SI.

Fagane

 

[Eleasias]

prime time is whine time T_T

 

[loxleyhood]

The problem with an idea such as this is that you have no way of enforcing any rules that you make. So say we set the rule, relic raids between 5am-1am, not everyone is going to agree so what will you do if someone does a morning raid? Demand the relic back?

 

[Breni]

Originally posted by lac_desariel
To all Realms..

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1. Do we raid any time 24/7 and quit the flaming now about it?
2. We could all agree on set Parameters.... Like boundries ( like the GC has)

Bear in mind most are on CET but this is also an English server so be considerate to those on GMT...

Examples would be Weekdays a raid can start between 5pm and 11pm GMT
Weekends 9am and 01.00 GMT

Personally, it has to be option one. Anything else is just unworkable. As previously mentioned, if someone doesn't like the rules, they'll break them. I couldn't care less what time relics are raided, myself - at the end of the day, there'll be whines and flames here no matter what time it was done.

At least, that's how it seems right now...

 

[lac_desariel]

Maybe Honor for your realm might do it?

if all agree it can only be tried and tested.... if they dont then no one can complain about off peak RR

 

[old.Nol]

Too late for agreements, anytime is prime time now.

Lets move on...

 

[lac_desariel]

im surprised realy the amount the moaned at last raid being to early ( i thought it was ok tbh) and yet no one wants shall we say a gentelmens agreement.....

looks like we going the way the USA is... raids at night time
Personaly i like to see a good Army off friends made up and gathered on an organised raid... but maybe im old fasioned

Nuff said from me here for now i think

 

[old.Nol]

We had a friendly agreement mate, it was conveniently broken in a moment pure strategic genius. Sadly there is no way to ensure that these agreements are adhered too.

 

[skile]

Well the mid raid was not primetime. If it was 2 am, sure. But I've heard some people use the argument that it doesn't count as a lame time just beacause it's on a weekend.

Doh! Weekends mean people (some) go to bed around 4-5 am. Other maybe 1 am. This means they are most LIKELY sleeping at 9-10 am. And mids planned it after this I reckon?

 

[Tasans]

And what is primetime? You have to remember that the raid was planned by the FOM who all live in CET.

And plus i tend to disregard any flaming albs since the memories of me and 30 other mids trying to defend mjoll from the alb zerg at 4am, are still fresh.

 

[Jiggs]

well thats the point,

take that '4am raid' (which was AGES ago). For us on GMT we set off from odin's at 11-1130pm gmt, now i wouldn't say that was really late, but for someone in sweden maybe it is...

now it cuts both ways: you raided sat morning at 9-10am gmt like for you its what?? 1130am or later... we'll most people on gmt are in bed after friday night.

tbh its all to complicated, just say: raids at 5am are LAME and move on

personally i feel like i care less and less about relics, mids have them now but once peeps get a bit bored of SI you know 200+ albs will come knocking and........

so backwards and forwards they go

 

[Amadon]

I reckon it'd be workable since I don't think there are that many people who have the time, motivation and support of the realm to be able to organise RR's (well with a reasonable chance of success anyway). If those people were to agree then it might work for a while.

Imo it's the time that the relic goes neutral that matters, not when it started. I think a relic going neutral after 3am GMT and before 11am GMT is out of primetime. Whether that's lame or not depends on your perspective.

I don't really care much about relics anymore tho, thanks to Midgard, so I guess my opinion doesn't matter.

 

[Kagato.]

Look at it this way, in a couple of patches time with the 3 ram per door limit and the uber guards, any prime time raid is going to be near on impossible unless its on a remote and little seen relic keep like Myrddin.

And as nice as the honour of the realm idea is, the honour of the realm doesn't extend anywhere further then here on barrysworld usually and that doesn't cover everyone.

Im to fed up of keeps to care anymore, the flood gates are open, raid anytime you can get the numbers.

 

[old.Xanthian]

9am - 1am (GMT) is prime time.
There are more than 1000 ppl on the server at these times.
Any raids after 1am and b4 9am are a bit lame, but tough shit they happen, deal with it.

I knew Albs would make up some bollocks like this cos they lost all thier relics.

 

[old.yaruar]

Originally posted by Jiggs
well thats the point,
personally i feel like i care less and less about relics, mids have them now but once peeps get a bit bored of SI you know 200+ albs will come knocking and........

so backwards and forwards they go

Yeah, but 200 people can be defeated with the right tactic.

Anyone can zerg, but what the mids did was actually spend many many hours planning and preparing a raid.

People complain and whine that we did the raid at 9/10am
But most of us spent the evening before doing the preparation work. Anyone with half a brain would have through soemthing was up when we spent all evening wiping out the alb keeps. But until I logged the only alb action in the frontiers was about 2fg camping the MMG RP farming, whereas we were sitting, biding our time ready for the next day.

In all honesty I actually overslept on sat and missed the raid, but albion should have been on it's toes. a lot of people committed to a fine raid and worked really hard, and worked very tactcally, that can not be taken away. TBH with the right tactics too and commitments it should be possible to keep the relics too because the correct tactics will always defeat a zerg when defending.

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by old.Xanthian
9am - 1am (GMT) is prime time.
There are more than 1000 ppl on the server at these times.
Any raids after 1am and b4 9am are a bit lame, but tough shit they happen, deal with it.

I knew Albs would make up some bollocks like this cos they lost all thier relics.

Actually the mids and hibs started the agreement originally, it was then broken by Mids, not Albs. It's is an Alb suggesting that we adhere to a gentlemens agreement, even after they lost their relics. Basically they would be putting themselves in a much harder position to retrieve their missing relics.

I see no reason why you're trying to insult them, they are suggesting a raid times agreement?

 

[lac_desariel]

Originally posted by old.Xanthian
9am - 1am (GMT) is prime time.
There are more than 1000 ppl on the server at these times.
Any raids after 1am and b4 9am are a bit lame, but tough shit they happen, deal with it.

I knew Albs would make up some bollocks like this cos they lost all thier relics.

Its not about some lame Albs making up BS cos we lost relics. I agree how we lose em was fair.... we grew complacent like hibs did when they had 3 power relics......

Im pissed off with the whining 'thats lame off peak raid' and ' do it peak times'... Read what i first wrote and go flush ya head down the pan unless you got something construtive to say.

 

[old.yaruar]

Originally posted by old.Nol


Actually the mids and hibs started the agreement originally, it was then broken by Mids, not Albs. It's is an Alb suggesting that we adhere to a gentlemens agreement, even after they lost their relics. Basically they would be putting themselves in a much harder position to retrieve their missing relics.

I see no reason why you're trying to insult them, they are suggesting a raid times agreement?

What agreement?

I'm a founding member of a guild prominant in one of the alliences which orchestrated these raids, I don't recall any agreement? And anyway 10am isn't the middle of the night, neither was 7pm which was when I first ran out to the Pennines to help lay the preparations.

 

[lac_desariel]

Originally posted by old.Nol


Actually the mids and hibs started the agreement originally, it was then broken by Mids, not Albs. It's is an Alb suggesting that we adhere to a gentlemens agreement, even after they lost their relics. Basically they would be putting themselves in a much harder position to retrieve their missing relics.

I see no reason why you're trying to insult them, they are suggesting a raid times agreement?

I am not speaking on behalf of all albions but making a general sugestion to all 3 realms, but thakyou for pointing out what you did

 

[ardamels]

Hello everyone!
I'm the guy responsible for Midgard having 5 relics, yes it was me that organized the raid on Dun Dagda in December and it was me and a few others that planned and organized the raid on Excalibur. I just wanted to say that I agree with you Lac

Whether or not it was "lame" to raid Dun Dagda at the time that we did, I leave that up to you to decide. I figured that hibs being extremely well organized and being very good players, they would have their relics back after less than a week. I don't care about the relics even if you do, however I do care about the state of Midgard and Midgard was in a miserable state indeed at that time. I wanted to give a boost to Midgard by raiding Dun Dagda and you know what? It worked...

The raid started at 06.00 CET taking keeps at a very fast rate. We reached Dun Dagda at 07.00 CET and knocked down the doors. On the third door we died on the überguard spawn, we pulled ourselves together and returned and to our surprise the doors had not been repaired although there were plenty of hibs there

There was alot of whine about the time of that relic raid and I took impression of that and decided that I wouldn't do a relic raid at those hours again.

I chose the time for the last relic raid because of the hibs' relic attempt at 10 am CET the weekend before, they failed because mids managed to get a defence together in time. So I figured that albs must have a fair chance to defend their relic fort aswell if we do it at the same time as the hibs did. Relic raids at 10.00 am is respectable!

I started planning this raid on Excalibur after the raid on Dun Dagda, so if you haven't figured already.... it was a very well planned raid and it had been given alot of thought

What i'm saying is the you will never see a night time raid from me and you will NEVER EVER see a early morning relic raid from me again (06.00 am that is, raiding at 10.00 is OK from my point of view).

You will never hear me complain or whine about you raiding us at 03.00 am in the morning, but I will never raid you guys at that time I realise that this is one-sided and I can't speak for anyone else but atm I'm the only one organizing planned relic raids in Midgard, so maybe it'll work out...

Now some of you will say that it's easy for me to say that Midgard has 5 out of 6 relics on the Excalibur server, but you're wrong, go ahead raid us whenever you like! I'm sure you will succeed too because there are many good players in both Hib and Alb... All I'm saying is that I will not raid you at those times!

 

[benedictine]

Agree with Loxley.

An agreement of this sort would only be good for the game. However, this is impossible to enforce.

Its not up to us to engineer the rules, thats what we pay mythic for. Only they can impose this sort of legislation.

Sadly, they won't and we now find ourselves in the position of taking a relic at 4am on Saturday only to see it taken back at 4am on Sunday - tough luck to all those people who put the effort into organising them.

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by old.yaruar


What agreement?

I'm a founding member of a guild prominant in one of the alliences which orchestrated these raids, I don't recall any agreement? And anyway 10am isn't the middle of the night, neither was 7pm which was when I first ran out to the Pennines to help lay the preparations.

It was when Albion were raiding at night, people more or less agreed that it was lame, so night raids stopped, for a time. Then Mid took Dagda, do you remember that? Many things have been said and done since then, suffice to say it would be unfair to expect Hibs to stick to a raid time agreement now. It has nothing to do with the raid on excal, Albion was pretty much forewarned on the Friday night.

 

[old.yaruar]

Originally posted by old.Nol


It was when Albion were raiding at night, people more or less agreed that it was lame, so night raids stopped, for a time. Then Mid took Dagda, do you remember that? Many things have been said and done since then, suffice to say it would be unfair to expect Hibs to stick to a raid time agreement now. It has nothing to do with the raid on excal, Albion was pretty much forewarned on the Friday night.

But my point is, who made this agreement? Which exaulted leaders of men was it?

Was it forumites? Was it the IRC crowd? Was it a meeting of all the guild leaders?

As I said, I didn't hear about this. If people don't know about a serverwide agreement, where is the agreement?

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by old.yaruar


But my point is, who made this agreement? Which exaulted leaders of men was it?

Was it forumites? Was it the IRC crowd? Was it a meeting of all the guild leaders?

As I said, I didn't hear about this. If people don't know about a serverwide agreement, where is the agreement?

I am not getting into this argument again. Do a search if u want.

 

[lac_desariel]

Ok i see people say it cant be enforeced.. it can kinda..

example xxx wants to raid Mid and 3 in morning.... if he cant get people cos thewy agree with principals then whats he gonna do?

yes some dont care and will raid all hours... some have standards and honor for there word....

I for one dont like off peak raids, Win lose or Draw seeing an army lead in to battle is what it should be about..

I dont and Wont Raid out off hours

 

[old.yaruar]

Originally posted by old.Nol


I am not getting into this argument again. Do a search if u want.

I'm not looking for an argument, I'm just interested in the politics of the situation.
You can only have an agreement if all parties agree, if it's a minority of people then you don't have an agreement. I'm just saying that I haven't had any communication about an agreement between guild leaders (and lets face it you would require agreement from all the major guildleaders on the server to enforce this)
And also remember, the majority of players who play the game don't use the forums, so if the agreement was made here then it's a bit useless without people backing it up online.

 

[bracken_woodman]

Originally posted by old.Nol


Actually the mids and hibs started the agreement originally, it was then broken by Mids, not Albs. It's is an Alb suggesting that we adhere to a gentlemens agreement, even after they lost their relics. Basically they would be putting themselves in a much harder position to retrieve their missing relics.

I see no reason why you're trying to insult them, they are suggesting a raid times agreement?

Exactly.

We lost our relics this time because we failed to defend our realm, no other reason. What Lac is suggesting will actually make it harder for us to get them back. Personally, I think that whether we make an agreement or not, there will always be someone who breaks it. I'm less interested in how and when we get them back, I'm more interested in whether as a realm we learn the very harsh lesson Mids gave us this time. It might not be a bad thing if it takes us a long time getting them back and people see how it affects their rp pharming when they lose all the keeps and relics like this.

 

[Strondor_New]

Originally posted by old.yaruar


I'm not looking for an argument, I'm just interested in the politics of the situation.
You can only have an agreement if all parties agree, if it's a minority of people then you don't have an agreement. I'm just saying that I haven't had any communication about an agreement between guild leaders (and lets face it you would require agreement from all the major guildleaders on the server to enforce this)
And also remember, the majority of players who play the game don't use the forums, so if the agreement was made here then it's a bit useless without people backing it up online.

TRY this: http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?threadid=41366&highlight=strondor

The "Understanding" had been working for many months, til imo a new generation of Mids has come along. There just doesn't seem to be much "old blood" in Midgard anymore. At least Albion and Hibernia stuck by the greement even after Midgard flouted it.

BUt now, as far as im concerned, the gloves are off. If Albs wanna do some non-prime time relic raids I will help them.

If HIBS want to do non-prime time Relic raids , I will help them too!

... For the past 6 mothns the moral high-ground on Excal has looked like this:

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