[Pricecheck] Bracer of Silent Oblivion
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mmmpie said:
u can do it with 1 fg
Taen said:
Lets see, artifact most can be done solo or with 1fg of friends, scrolls most are very easy to get, 2 RA Stones... well they will cost 10 silver at time of NF for 1 week and you have 2 free full ones if you didnt use all ready, 3 plat easy farm in 1-2 hours in DF. Sounds like all junk to me. The only one that sounds greedy in this post is you Taen, trying to get off cheap on something you know will cost you tons to get. As far as 10+ plat goes, well thats cheap considering other stuff if you search on the ME costs way over 10 plat. Infact I seen stuff at 100+ plat.
Killswitch dont need to explain why he is asking for prices. Its his item and if he decides to remake a template just to sell it then why not. He might be able to get a better Util suite by selling this bracer and useing the gold to get other items/armor and cap other more important stuff in his template.
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tbh I doesn't really matter. Didn't sell Bracer to Taen for 3p+trade, also didn't sell for straight 10p. I haven't posted a [WTS] thread for it and it's not on my CM.
Not sure what I've done wrong here, tbh. Point was (and still is) that I have some artis in my template that are not easily replaceable (Belt of the Sun, Eerie Darkness Stone, Harpy Feather Cloak). I also have some nice, high-util drops in there. Since I'd overcapped +Melee Speed with Shield of Khaos, I figured I could swap out the Bracer of Silent Oblivion (BoSO)for something else like Ebon Hide maybe and fiddle around with my SC to 'fix' the template. Util on Ebon Hide and BoSO are similar, so shouldn't be too hard to do. Seems to me that the main selling point of the BoSO was the melee speed increase, which was my number one priority for my reaver template.
So if I can get a few scrolls for my artis and save myself having to farm them, maybe that would be a better bet. So, Taen comes in with an offer for 3p and some items I don't need. I politely tell him I'm not interested and that I want to keep the Bracer (which I do/did). THEN someone comes in and offers 10p (enough to buy full book of Scholar's Notes AND Bellona's) and that makes me think. Tell him I'd be more interested in a cash+trade deal, tell him what items I need and he said he'd have a look.
Thinking about this more, I post a thread on FH to check the value, since I have no idea. If it turns out this Bracer is in demand and people will pay 20p for it (for example) then that will buy scrolls for ALL my artis. This thread started 100% as trying to avoid being ripped off. Since it seems the Bracer is only worth about 4-5p (1 night worth of cash farming) it's not worth my while selling it. Therefore, I'll keep it in my template and carry on with my scroll farming.
I don't see where the greed is here. PLUS Taen got his Bracer, presumably from someone who wanted the items he had to trade. Am I greedy because I didn't want the trade goods Taen had to offer? To be honest, this is my first 'proper' 50 template and also the first time I've ever won anything particularly desirable in a lottery. Maybe I've dealt with all this the wrong way, but I don't see what I've done wrong.
In the end, I'm not some 14-yr old uber-gankst0r out to make THE perfect template at any cost. As far as I can tell, a 64 util bracer can be swapped for a different 64 util bracer and the changes made good with changes to my SC (which is going to be done last, ofc). It's the extra goodies that the artifacts offer that make them unswappable in the template. Any cash I'd made on the Bracer would have gone straight into buying scrolls for the artis I've already got. I have enough LGM crafters for now, thanks.
As you can see if you check my template, I've taken out Shield of Khaos (which is hard to get and gave me 5% overcap on Melee speed) and replaced it with Cyclops Eye Shield. So now I'm actually getting full use out of the Bracer, so I need to keep it.
Please can someone with more experience in these matters let me know where the greed is. Maybe if I can get some constructive advice, I can avoid making similar mistakes and upsetting peeps in the future. I have no problem with Taen, GoL or anyone else in this game AFAIK and I'd like to keep it that way.
Not sure what I've done wrong here, tbh. Point was (and still is) that I have some artis in my template that are not easily replaceable (Belt of the Sun, Eerie Darkness Stone, Harpy Feather Cloak). I also have some nice, high-util drops in there. Since I'd overcapped +Melee Speed with Shield of Khaos, I figured I could swap out the Bracer of Silent Oblivion (BoSO)for something else like Ebon Hide maybe and fiddle around with my SC to 'fix' the template. Util on Ebon Hide and BoSO are similar, so shouldn't be too hard to do. Seems to me that the main selling point of the BoSO was the melee speed increase, which was my number one priority for my reaver template.
So if I can get a few scrolls for my artis and save myself having to farm them, maybe that would be a better bet. So, Taen comes in with an offer for 3p and some items I don't need. I politely tell him I'm not interested and that I want to keep the Bracer (which I do/did). THEN someone comes in and offers 10p (enough to buy full book of Scholar's Notes AND Bellona's) and that makes me think. Tell him I'd be more interested in a cash+trade deal, tell him what items I need and he said he'd have a look.
Thinking about this more, I post a thread on FH to check the value, since I have no idea. If it turns out this Bracer is in demand and people will pay 20p for it (for example) then that will buy scrolls for ALL my artis. This thread started 100% as trying to avoid being ripped off. Since it seems the Bracer is only worth about 4-5p (1 night worth of cash farming) it's not worth my while selling it. Therefore, I'll keep it in my template and carry on with my scroll farming.
I don't see where the greed is here. PLUS Taen got his Bracer, presumably from someone who wanted the items he had to trade. Am I greedy because I didn't want the trade goods Taen had to offer? To be honest, this is my first 'proper' 50 template and also the first time I've ever won anything particularly desirable in a lottery. Maybe I've dealt with all this the wrong way, but I don't see what I've done wrong.
In the end, I'm not some 14-yr old uber-gankst0r out to make THE perfect template at any cost. As far as I can tell, a 64 util bracer can be swapped for a different 64 util bracer and the changes made good with changes to my SC (which is going to be done last, ofc). It's the extra goodies that the artifacts offer that make them unswappable in the template. Any cash I'd made on the Bracer would have gone straight into buying scrolls for the artis I've already got. I have enough LGM crafters for now, thanks.
As you can see if you check my template, I've taken out Shield of Khaos (which is hard to get and gave me 5% overcap on Melee speed) and replaced it with Cyclops Eye Shield. So now I'm actually getting full use out of the Bracer, so I need to keep it.
Please can someone with more experience in these matters let me know where the greed is. Maybe if I can get some constructive advice, I can avoid making similar mistakes and upsetting peeps in the future. I have no problem with Taen, GoL or anyone else in this game AFAIK and I'd like to keep it that way.
Why get silent when you can get a nearly as good quest item.
Name: Bracer of Silent Oblivion
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 4 Parry
Effect 2: 22 Dexterity
Effect 3: 22 Quickness
Effect 4: 60 Hits
Effect 5: 2 Melee Speed Bonus
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 64.33
vs
Level 42 bracer
Naxos Abalone Bracer
- ALL melee weapon skills: 2 pts
- Strenght: 22 pts
- Hits: 48 pts
Bonus to Strength attribute bonus cap: 8
Bonus to melee combat speed: 2% (taken off VoS and its the right stats)
this is off the quest "The Secrets of Naxos" require good faction with em and its a really easy solo quest for a lvl 50
*note* this is the braser for tanks (pala, arms, reaver, merc)
i myself would rather use this then pay 10+p for Silent, but thats just me =P
Name: Bracer of Silent Oblivion
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 4 Parry
Effect 2: 22 Dexterity
Effect 3: 22 Quickness
Effect 4: 60 Hits
Effect 5: 2 Melee Speed Bonus
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 64.33
vs
Level 42 bracer
Naxos Abalone Bracer
- ALL melee weapon skills: 2 pts
- Strenght: 22 pts
- Hits: 48 pts
Bonus to Strength attribute bonus cap: 8
Bonus to melee combat speed: 2% (taken off VoS and its the right stats)
this is off the quest "The Secrets of Naxos" require good faction with em and its a really easy solo quest for a lvl 50
*note* this is the braser for tanks (pala, arms, reaver, merc)
i myself would rather use this then pay 10+p for Silent, but thats just me =P
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Hendrich said:
3 plat + 2plat (2 RA stones) + artifact and all scrolls (not sure the price) = very fair offer imo for an item that sells for 4 plat. As Daenry said situations like this happen all the time and it tends to piss people off because they feel they have been lied to.
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I never said that Taen's offer wasn't fair. If I'd needed the arti for any of my chars or had any need for an RA respec (not got a single char about RR2 and all have 2 free respecs left) then possibly would have been tempted.
I have that Naxos Bracer knocking about somewhere. Nothing wrong with it, but not going to get into my final template. Hell, I haven't even managed to cap strength NOW, let alone with +8 strength cap!! If I decide to have make 2 templates (one RvR and one PvE) as some people have suggested, maybe I'll stick it in the PvR one with my other Ebon Hide Bracer.
Standard selling price (apparently) for the Bracer of Silent Oblivion is 4-5p. It is worth more to me than that, and I'd happily pay 5p for it. Does that mean I should only sell it for 5p? I can't put an exact figure on it, but I reckon 10-12p would be a good figure. If someone wanted to offer me that (or even better scrolls or scrolls+cash), I'd prolly consider it. NOT because of greed, but because that is what it is worth to ME. If it's worth that much to someone else too, then fair enough. Have I made any effort to sell this Bracer?
Maybe a quick analogy. I have a car, I like my car. I have no desire to sell my car. If someone offered me the market value of the car, I'd say no. All I can do with the market value (in theory) is replace it with something equally good or worse. Now, if someone else desperately wanted a battered 1999 Ford Focus and offered me double the market price, I'd have to consider it. Although I love the car (and need it to get to work), I could buy a better car and maybe afford some other stuff as well (like a holiday). It would be lots of effort to organise the sale, do test-drives, get insurance quotes etc. but I'd end up with a better car at the end of it. The other person would also have the car they desperately wanted.
I don't see any greed...or any lying for that matter. I'm not actively looking to sell, but I'd be mad to ignore offers if those offers would allow me to have a better template (or car) at the end of it. The effort involved in changing the template (or car) also has to be considered. I'm firmly against the idea of ripping people off (and even more firmly against people ripping ME off!) so I came on here to get an idea of the value of the bracer in question. Thing is, if someone on here said it was worth 25p and I was offered 12p I'd prolly accept it. If someone told me it was worth 2p and I was offered 8p for it I'd probably say no. Taen needs to remember that because I'm NOT trying to sell the damn Bracer, the idea of Market Value and Fair Pricing do NOT apply. If people don't meet MY valuation of the Bracer, why should I sell/trade it?
It's just common sense...
I AM sorry for going on by the way, but I do resent being called both greedy AND a liar, especially with the work I do in game to help groups level, joining in hunts and raids even if I don't need them etc. Not that I'm like The Pope or Cliff Richard or anything, I like my plats as much as the next man, but I don't think I deserve abuse for this incident.
I have that Naxos Bracer knocking about somewhere. Nothing wrong with it, but not going to get into my final template. Hell, I haven't even managed to cap strength NOW, let alone with +8 strength cap!! If I decide to have make 2 templates (one RvR and one PvE) as some people have suggested, maybe I'll stick it in the PvR one with my other Ebon Hide Bracer.
Standard selling price (apparently) for the Bracer of Silent Oblivion is 4-5p. It is worth more to me than that, and I'd happily pay 5p for it. Does that mean I should only sell it for 5p? I can't put an exact figure on it, but I reckon 10-12p would be a good figure. If someone wanted to offer me that (or even better scrolls or scrolls+cash), I'd prolly consider it. NOT because of greed, but because that is what it is worth to ME. If it's worth that much to someone else too, then fair enough. Have I made any effort to sell this Bracer?
Maybe a quick analogy. I have a car, I like my car. I have no desire to sell my car. If someone offered me the market value of the car, I'd say no. All I can do with the market value (in theory) is replace it with something equally good or worse. Now, if someone else desperately wanted a battered 1999 Ford Focus and offered me double the market price, I'd have to consider it. Although I love the car (and need it to get to work), I could buy a better car and maybe afford some other stuff as well (like a holiday). It would be lots of effort to organise the sale, do test-drives, get insurance quotes etc. but I'd end up with a better car at the end of it. The other person would also have the car they desperately wanted.
I don't see any greed...or any lying for that matter. I'm not actively looking to sell, but I'd be mad to ignore offers if those offers would allow me to have a better template (or car) at the end of it. The effort involved in changing the template (or car) also has to be considered. I'm firmly against the idea of ripping people off (and even more firmly against people ripping ME off!) so I came on here to get an idea of the value of the bracer in question. Thing is, if someone on here said it was worth 25p and I was offered 12p I'd prolly accept it. If someone told me it was worth 2p and I was offered 8p for it I'd probably say no. Taen needs to remember that because I'm NOT trying to sell the damn Bracer, the idea of Market Value and Fair Pricing do NOT apply. If people don't meet MY valuation of the Bracer, why should I sell/trade it?
It's just common sense...
I AM sorry for going on by the way, but I do resent being called both greedy AND a liar, especially with the work I do in game to help groups level, joining in hunts and raids even if I don't need them etc. Not that I'm like The Pope or Cliff Richard or anything, I like my plats as much as the next man, but I don't think I deserve abuse for this incident.
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AFAIK he rolled coz it looked like a damned nice Bracer. If I don't use it and he needs it in a template, he can have it. That said, if he wants it to sit in a vault while he levels a char that needs it and I can get my Belt of the Sun and Harpy Feather Cloak activated TODAY, then he can go whistleTay said:
Like I said, I'm not some tree-hugging, communist philanthropist...but there is a whole area between 'sucker' and 'greedy bastard' that I try to inhabit...
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lol fair nuffKillswitch said:AFAIK he rolled coz it looked like a damned nice Bracer. If I don't use it and he needs it in a template, he can have it. That said, if he wants it to sit in a vault while he levels a char that needs it and I can get my Belt of the Sun and Harpy Feather Cloak activated TODAY, then he can go whistle
Like I said, I'm not some tree-hugging, communist philanthropist...but there is a whole area between 'sucker' and 'greedy bastard' that I try to inhabit...
As far as I am concerned it is yours to do with as you please
