with most scouts with alittle sense is using traitors dagger and most mincers is using battler/malice/traitors i would say 1-2p.. before toa it would be like you say 15-20p, but toa weapons and artifacts has far bether procs, stats like +melee speed/damage/style damage and looks (although i like the bane look more than TD any other weapon, and i like the evade animation )
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