Prejudice and Dicrimination vs odd specs

[scypherious]

Too many ppl on alb/excal are starting to spec the same now, i mean what percentage of the plate wearers in alb are not slash???? and what percentage of necros are not sight spec???? and clerics not rejuve and etc... and so on yadda yadda.
It really is getting very lame and because of this people are afraid to go other specs cos other ppl say they are gimped like 1h crush, smite, pain + servant spec. Truth is the ppl who say these things are just narrow minded lamers.
To prove this my 1h crush armsman has owned in more than 70% of his duels even though he is a low RR, also my pain spec necro has reduced mid/hib zergs into pieces in BG1 (as you might have noticed when you got dotted while camping on mb- syntheticaa btw) and then there are clerics... imo clerics should spec more in smite and keep it just below their rejuve so they would have more of a defence in RvR and also be more fun to play (which in turn increases the amount of alb healers in RvR).

I could go on but thats as much as i can be assed to write 2nite

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by scypherious
Too many ppl on alb/excal are starting to spec the same now, i mean what percentage of the plate wearers in alb are not slash???? and what percentage of necros are not sight spec???? and clerics not rejuve and etc... and so on yadda yadda.
It really is getting very lame and because of this people are afraid to go other specs cos other ppl say they are gimped like 1h crush, smite, pain + servant spec. Truth is the ppl who say these things are just narrow minded lamers.
To prove this my 1h crush armsman has owned in more than 70% of his duels even though he is a low RR, also my pain spec necro has reduced mid/hib zergs into pieces in BG1 (as you might have noticed when you got dotted while camping on mb- syntheticaa btw) and then there are clerics... imo clerics should spec more in smite and keep it just below their rejuve so they would have more of a defence in RvR and also be more fun to play (which in turn increases the amount of alb healers in RvR).

I could go on but thats as much as i can be assed to write 2nite

What's a great specc for duels or for a BG is oftenly not as great in the "real" RvR(Emain and Odin's). Some speccs are totally gimped, some speccs are just cool, some are uber in duels and some are opted for RvR with a special setup.

I think it's good that albion starts of with this trend aswell. this means that they will have the best stuff for 1FGing most likely and if they learn to use it in the right way they get competetive wich prolly means they wont zerg as much.

Also I do not agree that a cookiecutter specc is boring. I'd rather say that a spec that is considered gimped might easier get much boring as you will have alot harder time to get a group. And I don't think there is alot of ppl who acctually enjoys standing in pks etc waiting for groups for hours.

so yes, it has it's downs, but also it's ups.

 

[loxleyhood]

You'll find that your crush spec armsman has 'owned in duels' because plate and leather wearers are weak to crush. I assume the people you didn't own were chain wearers or scouts.

The reason most people spec similar (and not the same, there is a great diversity of specs) is that theres no point using something crap when theres something better for you. You wont find any thrust tanks (except mercs) because thrust relies on dex/str whereas slash just relies on str.

And about smite. Smite is completely worthless. Don't spec it.

 

[Silenzio]

Originally posted by scypherious
...

TBH im kinda sure most ov the plate weares use Thrust damge weapon ;P

well atleast armsman...

paladin goes slash for easy good bonus anytime... that thrust lack...

i had a dethservant necro and sadly he was a pain... not compared to a dethsight... but even to every other char...

duels meens nothing...


i've a smite clerik... and still find it fun and rlly enjoyable...
atm im leveling a full rejuv cleik... kinda od by me since im all but a healer... but i love so much gettin strong healed in rvr... when that happen so rarely....

 

[leoric]

Imo I think they have no idea whatsoever on BALANCE! Seems if you dont spec a certain way, Your gimped! Question is how can they balance so many classes? Personally instead of adding f*cking new races and classes they should f*cking sort the other classes first! STOP adding more sh*t! And balance the specs out leaving everything fair Its soon to be Dark Stealthzerg Of Camelot! And all that will exist is f*cking stealthers and buffbots! Mythic/GOA whoever, Dont make more sh*t and move on too other classes and races until you sort the ones you got ffs!

Ahem! What happened there??! I blacked out!

 

[AbPoon]

Please dont start this crap again, enoughs been said on it already

 

[old.FIN]

i mean what percentage of the plate wearers in alb are not slash???? and what percentage of necros are not sight spec???? and clerics not rejuve and etc...

there aint nothing wrong with crush and thrust on plate wearing dudes, and been said plate gives +20% dmg vs crush, but crush is actually funny, and so is thrust, have seen both.

about necros u should not give a poop, u can do 1 in 4 days and its boring as feck.

BUT smite cleric, is just useless piece of poop, no offence =)
smite cleric is fun, but dont step in castle sauvage =) and specially not dont port, at least not under rr5

 

[finbahr]

i also have seen the alb population spec'ing the same but this has been going on for a bit


why do you all go 50 ZERG?

 

[Brynn]

yea but whats the point of speccing thrust with a plate tank DF4tehwin!!1...or not

 

[schinkaar]

lol at this crap.

 

[ChillyDawg]

Originally posted by loxleyhood

And about smite. Smite is completely worthless. Don't spec it.

/sniff

 

[scypherious]

hmmm...

Well crush is being changed in 1.65 and so our taunt style will be a straight forward one and also something is being done to the parry combo so they do look like they are putting a bit of thought into balancing the curent classes (also alot being done to other specs). Also when i said duels i meant as in RvR duels aswell as friendly duels, i have beaten about 50% of the reavers and mercs i have dueled too and they have a bonus resist to crush from chain armour.
And i think you are wrong about smite clerics, i have known most to be able to kill a tank pretty easily.

Anyway another point i was supposed to make clear was that we shouldnt be so narrowminded on what makes a great group, we should be more openminded about it and try out new combinations with different specs, some of my best ever groups were really oddball but we owned. btw you cant say anything about other combinations being gimped cos the ones i have been in ruled.

(P.S i would really really like to see more pain spec necros out in RvR the most, they really do help alot from my experience)

 

[Silenzio]

Originally posted by Brynn
yea but whats the point of speccing thrust with a plate tank DF4tehwin!!1...or not

Damage Resistence?

 

[iluvatur]

noones moaning about a gimp spec but you..... they have every right not to let you in their group if you dont provide the best for them. So, group with friends or wait for a rainy day when someone will want a smite cleric etc ( i should know, i had one )

 

[gunner440]

think of it this way if u specced something "appropriate" ur guild wouldnt have to bring 1 or 2 more support groups to make up for it

 

[Whisperess]

Originally posted by gunner440
think of it this way if u specced something "appropriate" ur guild wouldnt have to bring 1 or 2 more support groups to make up for it

Shame that it has to be like that though :/

 

[gunner440]

Originally posted by Whisperess
Shame that it has to be like that though :/

yeah=(

 

[Waok]

Upto you how you spec,
but alot of people use the same specs.. becuase they work, meaning you bring the most to your group.

It's hard to be an individual in this game, most of us cap the same stats, use the same styles/spells, weapons etc and spec the same.

 

[Chenuba]

Every time I join a group with my wiz I get the question, fire or ice ? and has to say, full earth -.
IMO, earthwizards are the most versatile of the 3 different speclines. Got damage and CC (sort of) + GTaoe, which is uber in keepfights.

 

[old.Alliandre]

Yep, some non-conventional groups are great, but how many of the non-conventional characters are there to actual make up these non-conventional groups? If you can make these groups work within guilds/a group of friends then all the better for you

 

[Silenzio]

well most ov the time ive seen the Hybrid tank spec "issue"

so ppl saing an arms with 50 pole/2h 42 shield but
lesser than 50 in weapon spec (even if he reac 50 with item n rr)
is crap...

tbh my arms is like that... ive done some test... with some 50/50 arms... and still cant see the difference in styled damage output...

what i see... is that i can slam... i can turn in to defensive mode...
sometimes saveing my self or the support class ass


but still is declared as a non viable spec...

 

[Ensceptifica]

Re: Re: Prejudice and Dicrimination vs odd specs

Originally posted by Gahldir
I think it's good that albion starts of with this trend aswell. this means that they will have the best stuff for 1FGing most likely and if they learn to use it in the right way they get competetive wich prolly means they wont zerg as much.

Also I do not agree that a cookiecutter specc is boring. I'd rather say that a spec that is considered gimped might easier get much boring as you will have alot harder time to get a group. And I don't think there is alot of ppl who acctually enjoys standing in pks etc waiting for groups for hours.

so yes, it has it's downs, but also it's ups.

This attitude is exactly what is causing a lot of people to go for boring specs that are in demand, ending up being frustrated and retiring. And it's this attitude roaming in the game that causes groups to refuse 50% of the chars in the game. People with that attitude are the reason that people stand around in pks etc, not their odd spec.

I totally agree with the threadstarter. It's the "you're gimped so go away and roll a char that's popular" attitude that is the biggest disappointment in this game.

 

[bjaadi-]

hi hi i was 50axe 28 parry 50 sc for along time on my thane is that a viable spec? no dont think so.. but it was fun! respecced to a common spec 44 hammer 46 sc 42 shield 3 parry and i must say that i miss the dmg output sometimes.. but the defense part is alot better.. can still do nasty 2h swings

edit: not that i would get good rvr groups.... depending on how my thane is specced givf stlong thane group abilities not mcl and hocuspocus

 

[old.Sko]

Originally posted by bjaadi-
hi hi i was 50axe 28 parry 50 sc for along time on my thane is that a viable spec? no dont think so.. but it was fun! respecced to a common spec 44 hammer 46 sc 42 shield 3 parry and i must say that i miss the dmg output sometimes.. but the defense part is alot better.. can still do nasty 2h swings

I have a feeling that thanes are mostly played by nonconformist hippies =D

 

[Bellona]

Originally posted by scypherious
Too many ppl on alb/excal are starting to spec the same now, i mean what percentage of the plate wearers in alb are not slash???? and what percentage of necros are not sight spec???? and clerics not rejuve and etc... and so on yadda yadda.
It really is getting very lame and because of this people are afraid to go other specs cos other ppl say they are gimped like 1h crush, smite, pain + servant spec. Truth is the ppl who say these things are just narrow minded lamers.
To prove this my 1h crush armsman has owned in more than 70% of his duels even though he is a low RR, also my pain spec necro has reduced mid/hib zergs into pieces in BG1 (as you might have noticed when you got dotted while camping on mb- syntheticaa btw) and then there are clerics... imo clerics should spec more in smite and keep it just below their rejuve so they would have more of a defence in RvR and also be more fun to play (which in turn increases the amount of alb healers in RvR).

I could go on but thats as much as i can be assed to write 2nite

Because this is exactly what all other realms do, and as if albs dont run out in rvr in severly gimped groups already, it would just get worse.

In the large scale battles there is a room for odd speccers, but not in the fg on fg groups, dont exspect to bring an alb "gimp" into a "best as possible" rvr group, since albs already lack some things in difference to other realms groups.

 

[vindicat0r]

Originally posted by Silenzio
well most ov the time ive seen the Hybrid tank spec "issue"

so ppl saing an arms with 50 pole/2h 42 shield but
lesser than 50 in weapon spec (even if he reac 50 with item n rr)
is crap...

tbh my arms is like that... ive done some test... with some 50/50 arms... and still cant see the difference in styled damage output...

what i see... is that i can slam... i can turn in to defensive mode...
sometimes saveing my self or the support class ass


but still is declared as a non viable spec...

I Tested the Hybrid Theory my self. 500 unstyled swing's on the same target with different Spec's.

From my test's There was a 2% < ish> bonus to speccing to 50 base weapon, so LOL @ ppl who spec to 50 base weapon spec to be 'safe' or you 'never know'.

I have been Hybrid before as Slash and Full Slash, I didnt notice the dmg diff.

I am Hybrid as Thrust now and I Hit Very hard, just as hard as Slash, well more actually but thats only down to Thrust > Slash in RvR.

So to any who think the 50/50 spec is only safe why, I do not want you to believe me, I would say go test it your self, I did. If you want a Parser to sort out the data from the test's I can give you 1 that Pin gave me to test ^^


As for the orignal post.....

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