Pop Idol

[Cyfr]

I never really watched anything past auditions until tonight.

Theres a woman on there, now shes not your regular 'pop idol' size. But she has a great singing voice, and I really hope she wins, to prove everyone wrong

Who do you guys think will win?

 

[Cloowwwnnn]

I wanted Roxanne to win.

 

[Tom]

Shes got a good voice, but she sounds like shes singing through her nose. She really needs some good material and a good studio engineer.

 

[Aoami]

Originally posted by Cyfr
I never really watched anything past auditions until tonight.

Theres a woman on there, now shes not your regular 'pop idol' size. But she has a great singing voice, and I really hope she wins, to prove everyone wrong

Who do you guys think will win?

She is a good singer, yes. But shes not a Pop Idol imo, and thats what they're after. She's a cabaret act.

 

[S-Gray]

Originally posted by Tom
Shes got a good voice, but she sounds like shes singing through her nose. She really needs some good material and a good studio engineer.

offering your "servcies" again tom?

 

[Cpt. Paranoia]

Susanne should never have left. She rocked.

tbh, Sam was the only one in the three who resembled a 'pop idol' and he got voted off tonight. Michelle's a bit ordinary and Mark's nothing special either.

It's been a bit disappointing, I've watched since the final 50 and all of the good ones have gone :/

BRING BACK SUSANNE

 

[Jonaldo]

They're all shit and anyone who thinks any of the people taking part in pop idol deserve any kind of career in music entertainment should be executed in an extremely painful and public manner.

No I'm not exaggerating.

I'm a musician at heart and an unsuccesful one by trade now seeking work in offices and such. Yet I see untalented fuckheads like these being mass-marketed and mass-produced for the public without any real talent of their own and only reproducing sub standard cover versions from the past. Why not just call it Karaoke 2003 and be done with it. It's pure shit. If you think I'm just a bitter and jealous person then HELL YES, I wrote music for my band and shit more talent twice daily than these contestants will ever have but now struggle to find a job in some office somewhere just because we weren't what 'people in the know were looking for' at that time. I am officially the bitter and twisted old man who at 28 people still tell me I'm not too old to get back into the music industry yet hearing about utter wank like this I know it'll never happen and must strive for something I've no ambition nor motivation to do for the next 40 years.

Thankyou all for voting.

 

[Aoami]

Pop Music - Pop = Popular. Popular music is popular due to the entertainment value. Therefore, acts like 'The Cheeky Girls' chart becuase they're entertaining to the mass market.

Pop music is nothing to do with wether its good or not, its just simple entertainment. I tend not to pay any attention to the scene due to the fact its mostly crap. Maybe you should just do the same, let the kids enjoy there crap, because its what they like and enjoy, and just carry on playing your music, which may be wonderful to you, but crap to the kids.

 

[Jonaldo]

Originally posted by Aoami
Pop Music - Pop = Popular. Popular music is popular due to the entertainment value. Therefore, acts like 'The Cheeky Girls' chart becuase they're entertaining to the mass market.

Pop music is nothing to do with wether its good or not, its just simple entertainment. I tend not to pay any attention to the scene due to the fact its mostly crap. Maybe you should just do the same, let the kids enjoy there crap, because its what they like and enjoy, and just carry on playing your music, which may be wonderful to you, but crap to the kids.

Ask yourself why is it popular?

Because they like the music? No
Because they relate to the lyrics? No
Because they appreciate the subtle undertones and the meaning of the songs? No

It's because the media say "buy this, buy that, fancy him, fancy her, he's cool, she's cool, he's not, she's not".

I'm sorry but I just hate the music industry and Simon Cowell and his whole Pop Stars/Pop Idol/Fame Academy projects have just taken it all to another level.

Pop 'music' does not mean popular 'music', it means 'popular person who kids are told to like who record standard meaningless bland material that you'll forget within a week'. If the 'music' was truly popular it wouldn't be so heavily criticised by everyone outside of their little circle and each single would surely last more than the 1 or 2 weeks at the top of the charts than they currently do. It's no coincidence acts like the Cheeky Girls disappear so soon after seeming to be so popular. It's due to the fact that in actuallity, they never were popular to begin with, they were just marketed well for a short given period.

 

[worMatty]

TBH, I thought the name 'pop' meant high-energy, synthesized music with lyrics that didn't seem to make 100% sense. I'd like to say the stuff that these people release is multi-genre but it all sounds the same to me, so I reckon it's not such a bad thing to redefine pop to cover the boring, forgettable stuff that we get today.

There's a distinct difference between what The Human League and Mel and Kim released in the 80's, and the stuff that is made today. That's where I like to draw the dotted line between 'good pop' and 'bad/bland pop'.

Jonaldo, 28's not old

 

[worMatty]

The whole 'goss' scene is something I completely avoided during my teenage years. I thought it was pathetic then, and I still do now. These kids thrive on the stuff because it keeps them up-to-date amongst their social groups, and while there's need for the stuff it'll keep coming. Best to just ignore it all and listen to real music.

 

[Jonaldo]

Well one reason I despise it is while we were gigging and stuff, trying to make it as a band, our drummer (who was acting as manager) approached an agent. They came down to meet us all after hearing a tape and told us that we should dress differently, cover more 'popular mainstream' songs in our set and overall become what people wanted us to be, not what we wanted to be.

This pretty much infuriated me and yet our drummer took this on board and tried to make us into this vision that we were advised to take. I left a few months after and everyone followed shortly after.

It's been a downward spiral since then and having seen it, even if only breifly from the inside I really fell out with the music "industry", even though it was, and probably still is, the only thing I've ever wanted to do with my life.

 

[Sharma]

"Pop" Music now, has no originality in it whatsoever, take a look at 60s/70s etc, the "pop" music then was better because the artists wernt churned out of a music industry daily and could actually write their own lyrics.

As in the record of the year 2003, Westlife won it with a song they DIDNT even write, and they werer cheering about it and it made me groan quite loudly as how moronic they were.

Programs like this put further emphasis on manufacturing random hyped up rubbish that the media force on people so they watch it because its "Gossip" and its popular to talk about in places, i got a rather dazed look when i came out with some colourful language when Pop idol came up as a subject, to me that just shows how easily the media can force this crap upon people.

The pop music industry manages to keep itself afloat due it being able to set fads among young and impressionable people, ive not heard people at my college talk such tripe when they say that this is good, ive asked them to give me one good reason why they are good, the general answer is "Oh its on TV"

*groan*

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[leggy]

Pop idol is shit. Michelle is not a pop idol and everyone knows it. Let's not beat about the bush here, she is a fat girl with a nice voice.

She is a contradiction to everything pop idol stands for and I genuinely hope she wins.

The judges are ****s and they can all fuck off. Except for Simon cowell because at least he as the balls to speak the truth and to call a spade a spade (in the entertainment sense)

 

[Deadmanwalking]

YAY, Another argument about how much better X music is then Y music.

Not like = Don't Listen
Like = Listen and STFU up about it.

And anyway im betting the fat bird wont win, no matter how much we want her to.

 

[Jonaldo]

It's nothing to do with the music as was mentioned earlier. They are making a product, styling it and moulding it into someone they can sell to easily influenced people for a short period of time.

It's a money thing.

 

[Big G]

It's glamourised Karaoke where Simon Cowell makes millions and the contestants make nout (Gareth Gates made £30k 2002) except to get famous for a year. It's entertaining, I love the way Simon rips the piss and is brutaly honest.

Michelle is no pop idol and she believes she's famous and important where she clearly is not. Sam was by far the better singer which a rough edge and I thought he'd be the winner. Mark is just a brummy butlins redcoat tbh. It's disappointing that some of the clearly better singers (in both singing talent and image) were voted out. Roxanne springs to mind, I thought she was gorgeous and I liked her voice.

When you saw the footage of Sam in the shopping centre, did you see any men there? Nope. The footage of them all at Wembley, did you see any men there? Nope. The voting and the decisions are made by a mostly (if not all) female audience, so that explains the totally irrational voting. Fs, depending on the time of the month, they might want the cutesy sam to stay in or they might REALLY HATE THE LITTLE SHIT, I HATE HIM SO MUCH I WANT HIM OUT THE BASTARD.

Ahem, sorry - got a bit sexist there

G

 

[Cpt. Paranoia]

I like Pop Idol.
I also like a vast amount of different music.

It's quite simple really, if you don't like pop you don't need to listen to it and much less are you forced to watch and enjoy Pop Idol. If your Saturday nights are that bad you resort to watching it, go to the pub for an hour and come back for Casualty.

 

[Tom]

Average age of posters here = 20 - 35?

Average age of Pop Idol viewers = 10 - 15.

Get over it. You can look through rose-tinted bins all you like, but the only stuff you remember from your childhood was the good stuff - for me, Abba, Spandau, Duran Duran, etc. Look back at the charts from 20 years ago, theres so much absolute shit in there its untrue.

I'm prepared to go out on a limb and say that the pop music today is much better than the pop music of the seventies and eighties. The sixties is another matter entirely.

 

[Wingnut]

I don't like Pop Idol, so I don't watch it.
I don't particularly like Pop music, so I don't buy it.

I was in a band at University (and beforehand) and had my 5 mins of fame supporting DRN at the Marquee, but we were told the same thing as Jonaldo, ie, "more cover versions please, no-one likes new music".

I think all bar one or two of the venues I regularly used to play at are now closed, which is a shame.

Commercialism rocks!

\o/

 

[Embattle]

Originally posted by Tom
Average age of posters here = 20 - 35?

Average age of Pop Idol viewers = 10 - 15.

Get over it. You can look through rose-tinted bins all you like, but the only stuff you remember from your childhood was the good stuff - for me, Abba, Spandau, Duran Duran, etc. Look back at the charts from 20 years ago, theres so much absolute shit in there its untrue.

I'm prepared to go out on a limb and say that the pop music today is much better than the pop music of the seventies and eighties. The sixties is another matter entirely.

I think your average age of Pop Idol viewers should be pulled up higher by a large % of older people watching it.

 

[~Lazarus~]

I think theres a point here which is being missed.

REGARDLESS of who wins pop-idol, some folk have already made their mark and WILL get a career from the music industry.

Remember last year,

Darius came 3rd
Gareth came second
Will young Won it.

Whos had the better career since then. For me, both Gareth and Darius have made more of their careers than Will Young.

C'mon the big bird!!!

 

[sad_mung]

Absolutley I think she has a terrific voice, and I'm glad tthat the favourite Sam is out. IMO he had the weakest, most inflexible voice there.



FAT BIRD TO WIN!

 

[Jonaldo]

Originally posted by ~Lazarus~
last year,

Darius came 3rd
Gareth came second
Will young Won it.

Whos had the better career since then.

None?

All have failed miserably I thought?
Although I don't really follow popular TV programs much I've not really heard much about them at all for a long time, especially compared to the amount of press they all got before their careers started.

 

[xane]

I agree with Jonaldo's point, but I would say that the hyping up of "pop" has been going on since the early sixties.

In fact, the original masters of the art were in fact The Beatles. I don't deny that John and Paul could spin out a great tune or two, but their real success was because they played the media, changing styles all the time, new fads, the next thing, the new black, and going on controversial causes, etc. The mastermind was of course their manager, who got the whole "be square or be there" approach just right, and milked for all it was worth.

They were followed by a whole swathe of bands, all adopted the "play the media and be controversial" bandwagon, and its continued ever since. None of those early sixties bands would have been half as successful otherwise, but they were still good songwriters and performers, it just I feel their success was not entirely due to their talent.

I personally love Beatles music, especially the early stuff, more raw rock and roll, but from then on I feel it was the wave of hype that carried them to the giddy heights they achieved, and now 40 years on we see how the music doesn't really matter anymore, but it didn't really matter back then either.

Every time I see those famous images from Shea Stadium, I realise that all those little girls screaming their heads off were not there to enjoy rock and roll music and have a dance.

 

[~Lazarus~]

Originally posted by Jonaldo
None?

All have failed miserably I thought?
Although I don't really follow popular TV programs much I've not really heard much about them at all for a long time, especially compared to the amount of press they all got before their careers started.

It was a question of relativity. I didnt state that they had a glittering career, merely who had had made more of it than the others.

 

[Cpt. Paranoia]

I think Will was begun to reinvent himself as a "serious" artist in an attempt to get away from the Pop Idol hype, Gareth I've not heard of for ages and Darius deserves a slight degree of respect for the fact that he refuses to release anything that isn't his own original material, although he did cover Pink Flamingo for a charity album.

I don't think you could seriously say any of them "failed miserably". You may not like them, but they far from failed.

 

[worMatty]

Well, covering a song for charity is a safe way of getting the cash in if you know it's pretty much gonna' be more popular than something you come up with yourself to meet a deadline.

 

[Cpt. Paranoia]

Originally posted by worMatty
Well, covering a song for charity is a safe way of getting the cash in if you know it's pretty much gonna' be more popular than something you come up with yourself to meet a deadline.

I'm not sure where "getting the cash in" comes into doing a song for a charity album.

 

[worMatty]

Sorry, I misunderstood. Thought you meant singles.

Between The Sheets is on the telly in the background and I'm finding it hard to concentrate on this.