pff

[Gimpfarfar]

Killgorde...a true midgard hero?
Pff. Sure, arranging a keeptaking alliance might seem a good idea, but you're not a hero in my eyes Killgorde. You're one of those breaking our realm to pieces, my fellow middie. If my memory doesn't fail me, you're the one (amongst others) that decided to just quit the NP alliance and start your own, instead of trying to solve it (Even though you might have in private messages, I think we should have discussed the situation in /as before you and your rogues left to form your "own" alliance) in the early days of DAoC-europe.

You will get no support from me, Killgorde.

 

[Gimpfarfar]

hmms

LoL, grr...made a new thread instead of posting a reply to Killgordes new alliance thread. Oh well, you get the idea.

 

[Garnet]

Gimpfarfar answer me this..How the hell can you negotiate with NP?

BTW gimpfarfar he has done a hell of alot more than you have anyway

 

[old.Ailelun]

Originally posted by old.Garnet
Gimpfarfar answer me this..How the hell can you negotiate with NP?

BTW gimpfarfar he has done a hell of alot more than you have anyway

And What is Wrong with NP Exactly, Apart from the fact Midgard was a stronger realm when they had 1 Alliance togther..

 

[old.Mobstomper]

OMG hes my hero...

 

[Gimpfarfar]

.

Killgorde has done plenty, yes. Too bad the largest things he did was foolish.

And if he had talked to NP from the start, and making sure the first alliance would improve, I'd support him too. Too bad he didn't.

 

[splash0r]

Well i happen to think killgorde is one of the persons in this realm that has a brain atm and uses it well .

NP alliance is not so popular in any guild atm ask NP why it is so its not killgorde fault this realm is working like shit so start trying to do something urself before you go whinning on others its phathetic to say what you just said im a member of killgordes new alliance and im very happy with it dont regret joining.

I dont have anything agianst NP i just dont like NP alliance and some of our members has been in the NP alliance and they thought is was to much spam and lame stuff in it so we voted to join killgordes alliance cus iknow killgorde knows his stuff.

So please think about what you are saying before writing stuff that is complete noncens

 

[Gimpfarfar]

.

Alright, another Killgorde-junkie to deal with.

Killgorde might seem to be doing the right thing at the moment, but you're only thinking about the present situation. Have you even been around since the early days when Midgard only had 1 alliance and kicked the other realms' butts?

But you're right, I have not tried to do anything about it. Why?
I didn't join this game to become a great leader and lead a couple of guilds to success. I came here to have fun and play how I like to play, and I feel as if I have a right to be critical against things I do not feel is right.

And sure, some NPs might be complete buttwhipes, but WHY can't we all discuss this in the open, get along and have 1 strong alliance instead of bickering about some shit, and go around forming our own alliances all the time?

Props to Killgorde for making an effort, but we need 1 strong alliance, not 3 small ones.

 

[MunchkinCE]

Re: .

Originally posted by old.Gimpfarfar
Props to Killgorde for making an effort, but we need 1 strong alliance, not 3 small ones.

But until you get rid of the "butt whipes" it is never going to happen.

Killgordes Alliance has a strong core of good people who know what they are doing.
They dont pull ALL the guards, they dont spam Alliance chat with crap and they dont say things like "I been here fekking longer than j00, so STFU and do what I say!!!!".

Numbers isnt everything in RvR and until the arrogant rude people are taken out of the existing Alliances, you cannot expect anyone else to want to join.

Times have changes since the early days, so we all have to change too.......

 

[splash0r]

Well ok i want to hear a solution for this problem here and now then lets talk about it please NP give ur comments to in this matter if its intressting to solve this problem ?

But let´s get one thing clear its wrong to point out Killgorde as a sinner in mid , it´s not his fault there are to many whinner´s and ego triped ppl on our server right?

Atleast im not whinning about this fact im trying to do my bit to make midgard work so i suggest less whinne and more action from all mids .

And Blizzard is all about having fun for me and my members and we dont like to play with ppl that dont have any what so ever apeal to us that´s kind of natural i would think but sure lets talk this out once and for all right here and now cus im sick and tierd of this let´s have a shitthrowing contest ala carte fire away ....

 

[Gimpfarfar]

.

Goddamnit, haven't you read what I've said?

"OK, they don't know what to do...let's exclude them."
Oh, that's just brilliant mate.

We never had an open discussion on this anywhere...partly because some buttwhipes think that everything on /as that isn't about relics is spam.

You don't walk away from a problem, you solve it. Or how did you make it through school ?

That's what I'm nagging about. You can't ignore NP. They won't go away. Instead, try to teach the highlvl newbies in NP how it's done.

 

[splash0r]

lol 2 you ? Dident i just write lets solve it or ? and stop those personal insults ok only makes you look bad so its ur loss .

Well dont let me stop you go right ahead solve it now pls im waiting........

 

[old.Atrox]

Midgard has to many kids period

There is to many Leaders, who cant accept to be lead sometimes.
I very much doubt that Midgard ever again will stand united, and as for the "in the beginning" stuffs, ask yourself, How many Highlvls did Midgard have back then, compare that number to the amount of highlvled players Albion and Hibernia had.
I think you will find 1 major factor to Midgards success back then, things are changed now, we are not the realm with a superial amount of highlvls anymore.
I rather see 1 effective and fully working Alliance, and 2 not working ones, rather then 1 non effective nor working alliance.

Sometimes you have to start all over again

 

[Karl [DAOC]]

Originally posted by Killgorde
The alliance has been created with a spirit of mutual respect between the involved guilds

This is the reason why the alliance will do well, atm other alliances are not like this.

 

[Zill]

It's entirely a matter for Killgorde if he wishes to start up an Alliance of his own and mold it in the way he feels fit and that is managable and acceptable for its members. Why is it any business of yours to question his motives.

As has been stated, there were many people unhappy with the comments and attitude of members within the NP Alliance itself that forced them to leave and seek other alternatives. If something's not working why stay around to fix it.

Also there is nothing to suggest that Alliances whatever the size cannot work together. And as far as I know, NP Alliance have taken part in many of our recent relic raids so to suggest that Killgorde leaving NP Alliance has in anyway instigated a break up of the realm is ridiculous.

To his credit, Killgorde has spent a lot of his own time and work into arranging and leading raids most particuarly on Albion which have been organised, well planned and most of all fun which I have seen at first hand.

 

[Killgorde]

Teamwork
Co-ordination
Co-operation
Communication
Dedication
Mutual respect
Maturity
Enthusiasm
Punctuality
Preparedness
Humility
Politeness

Just some of the many words which spring to mind after a few days in MGC. How many of the above apply to the other 2 alliances, Gimp? And how long do you estimate it would take to create the above climate? Sorry m8, I have a day job

Like you Gimp, I and everyone else like to have fun...only some of us like having it in a friendly environment where "buttwhipes" (your words not mine) play no part. And also where its guaranteed that anything said on /as isn't broadcast on IRC within 30 seconds, or someone with a high-ranking Mid account isn't lending his char out to an equally high ranking Albion on a regular basis (no names mentioned).

And before you carry on your tirade about me, I didn't pre-empt this alliance...I was asked to set it up by others with a lot of arm-twisting (much against the wishes of the peeps in my own guild I might add). All I know is that Midgard now has an alliance with 70 (and rising) +45 peeps who are all willing and able to answer the call to arms at the drop of a hat if the need arises when they are online. And not just that...but are prepared to do it in a spirit of friendliness with a distinct lack of back biting and bitchiness.

I make no bones about the fact that this alliance is "elitist," but it is only elitist in as much as the people in it share the same ideals I do (as listed at the top of this post). And I have no axe to grind with either of the other alliances or guilds in them, so cut the shitty "some NPs might be complete buttwhipes" insults please and save it for the Albs and Hibs. Peeps who play this game in Midgard are all ages and levels of maturity...it's your call whether you wish to put up with them or not.

/Salutes

 

[old.Mobstomper]

Teamwork
Co-ordination
Co-operation
Communication
Dedication
Mutual respect
Maturity
Enthusiasm
Punctuality
Preparedness
Humility
Politeness




Now thats a lot of points...

 

[old.chesnor]

Sigh, yet another alliance. Well, I remember when Nazgul split from the NP alliance, I wasn't keen then simply because I felt there should only be 1 alliance in the realm. I still think that 'the' alliance should be totally inclusive, and that several 'elitist' alliances with leaders at odds with each other only serves to divide the realm and thereby weaken it.

That said, I know how hard it is to keep large amounts of people on side, especially in a game like this.

I wish you all luck with this alliance, and hope that this one turns out like you hoped the last one would turn out. Quality rather than quantity seems to be your goal, and it just might work

 

[Gimpfarfar]

.

Ah..I was beginning to wonder when Killgorde was gonna post =)

Nice wordlist, and I'm sure it's all true, even though I don't need a commercial break just yet.

I'm sure your alliance is great (even though that no-IRC-spam thing might be hard to accomplish), that's not the point (even though that's what i've managed to get everyone to think). The point is that we don't need 3 small alliances.
And when I see you here, forming yet another alliance, it kind of gets to me.
Still, I might stand corrected if your alliance get the relics back and restore some kind of stability in the realm.

Until that...well, you know what I think.
Flame away.

 

[Killgorde]

Re: .

Originally posted by old.Gimpfarfar

Until that...well, you know what I think.
Flame away.

Please explain who is doing the flaming here?

I don't flame Mid's in public as a matter of principle... Are you with your "some NPs might be complete buttwhipes" posts really going a long way to forge a spirit of unity in Midgard, Gimp? The very nature of your post in the first instance is divisive and it's probably people like yourself that are the root cause of a splintered factional realm.

And for the record, I have a good relationship with Subbiz and any time he calls a relic raid CE and all the other guilds in this alliance are always made welcome. Likewise if the invite is in the other direction. Or Shade or Hulbur, even though we arent in the same alliance. So please please please stop talking out of your backside about issues above your level to comprehend Gimp old chap (err...can we class that as a "mini-flame" please??? ).

 

[soullessminion]

Was going to do big post but decided not to, all i can say is good job Kilg, nice to be in aliance where my screen isn't spammed by AC being used as just another chat chanell

 

[old.Leel]

Just gotta agree that the reason Midgard did so good in the beginning wasn't because there was only one alliance, it was because we had sooo many more high levels. It happened on US servers and it repeated itself here. Midgard is easier to get high levels fast. And with such dedicated powerlevelers as Nolby Pride, Prophets and Maelstrom, no wonder Midgard did good.
I've been here since day 1 of the server, and I'm STILL not level 50, but I've seen what's been going on. I certainly agree that there's a lot of immature kids in mid though. Got that feeling when I played hib on Galahad too. Started playing there about the time THEIR Midgard fell apart. Then albs started owning, then hibs started owning more. It was cool because it was a server where hibs were strong and could take on the albs no problem. Midgard was pretty dormant when I played there except for the normal hunter in gorge. I never saw as many minstrels there though, wonder why.

 

[Release]

In the NP aliance there are a few problems.

For starters there isnt tight enough control on who gets aliance chat. There are at least 2 guilds in the aliance that are not really active (Black Ice & The Brotherhood) and Norsemen of Midgard arent as strong as they used to be

Just a few things I can think of.

 

[Jimli]

If you scroll back in the forums you will see various /waves, goodbyes, etc from highlvl NP members. These were the guys that made NP guild/alliance great. They left.

Killgorde has spoken to NP-members and a couple of NP members are trying to get the guild back into social RvR instead of RP-farming. We do manage to get some enthusiasm at the moment but that fades away as soon as we try to really plan something.

You can all see that NP has several SB/Hunters/RM high up in the people RP list and that the guild has twice as much RP as any other guild which has alrdy grown with 3 million since the herald came up. Can ofc only be RP-Farming, you dont get that kind of RP raiding.

NP isn't a guild anymore, it is a collection of the best RP-farmers in midgard to make the best RP-Farming group in midgard. Nothing wrong with that but dont expect them to lead an alliance.

I dont blame Killgorde for seeing this and I'm happy he formed his alliance with tight entry rules and hope he's able to keep it up. His alliance is the best chance we got at bringing midgard to the top.

[edit] The fact that the first NP reply came this late also makes a point

[edit2] Was NP member at time of post.

 

[Nightchill]

As I said in another post (probably started after this one) - keep up the good work KG; Aesir's are proud to be a member of the alliance.

 

[Seyrcim]

Originally posted by Release
.... Norsemen of Midgard arent as strong as they used to be

Well, we did not post any message about it, and some still remains in NoM. Most members however merged with Thor's Chosen and together we formed Blizzard. We voted and came to the conclusion that almost all were for joining the 2nd alliance. To my surprise the 2nd alliance had quite some internal trouble and the spamming concerning this was not what I had expected. Soon after this we were invited to a discussion about a new alliance with a different code. So far I am glad that we decided to join MGC, we've had fun together and the AS has been friendly, as it should be.

So, IMO it was a good initiative from Killgorde to start it up.

The future still holds what will come in darkness, but I am confident it will be a bright one for Midgard. Hopefully we'll one day see a united Midgard who can put up a good fight, both offensive and defensive.

 

[splash0r]

Originally posted by Release
In the NP aliance there are a few problems.

For starters there isnt tight enough control on who gets aliance chat. There are at least 2 guilds in the aliance that are not really active (Black Ice & The Brotherhood) and Norsemen of Midgard arent as strong as they used to be

Just a few things I can think of.

hehe m8 the reason why the are not strong anymore is they merged with Thors Chosen and became Blizzard witch is a strong guild

 

[obbla]

Midgard is not really in need of 1 strong alliance, Midgard is in real need of People that can cooperate instead of nagging about who should lead what... It is true that it might be a bit harder to arrange something large with more alliances but heck, it's not like the alliance leaders doesn't know who's in charge of the other alliances. If those leaders sat together and planned something, then maybe the Albs and Hibs could start being a bit afraid of us again.

So please don't spend loads of time just discussing on the to be or not to be for more alliances. Start with comunication and diplomacy so that we can get the forces united even if the numbers of alliances are 15. Our goal should be to restore the honor of Midgard instead of trying to resolve which is the best alliance. We don't have the numbers nowadays so then we have to get the superior organisation/tactics instead.


But Killgorde i do think that you forgot one word in that list of yours that you instead mentioned further down. Fun should always be taken into account


So to all those highlevlelers out there that are bored and who doesn't have anything better to do than to irritate yourself on others, start an alternative character or take a break or whatever, don't just start insulting people, that harms Midgard more than any new alliance ever could do.

(and I know that my english isn't perfect and will never be.. just in case someone wanted to nag on that )

 

[Killgorde]

Originally posted by obbla

But Killgorde i do think that you forgot one word in that list of yours that you instead mentioned further down. Fun should always be taken into account

Apologies and point taken...maybe it should read:

Teamwork +
Co-ordination +
Co-operation +
Communication +
Dedication +
Mutual respect +
Maturity+
Enthusiasm +
Punctuality +
Preparedness +
Humility +
Politeness =
Fun

Like last night at Bol, perhaps?

 

[obbla]

That looks far much better Killgorde

Well this last night I was sleeping, but the night before it was great fun at Nottmor amongst other places