Perma TS : And so history repeats

Dicer

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At first there were assasins and archers and the archers leeched rps from afar , killed and run and stealthed and there was no stopping them.
Assasins were sent to hunt/ambush them and sometimes were lucky
or speeders would go on a chase and sometimes would get archers before
they stealthed, but archers ruled the bgs with no one to stop them.

And the people of the BG cried out to Mythic and Mythic heard the cry of
the people and said , we will give assasins Detect Hidden and they would
see the archers from afar if archers dont have high stealth and end their
mischief.

There was a lot of woe and cries at the archer community as they thought
their rule in the BGs was over, but than they respeced stealth and max
detection range of a veteran archer was 250 and all was well again, and
archers kept killing running stealthing from 1500 and the assasins kept
searching in the dark.


And the people of the BG cried out to Mythic and Mythic heard the cry of
the people and said , we will give assasins See Hidden and they would see
he archers from clip range and go to them and end their mischief, and for
archers we will give True Sight and they will be able to see every
stealther for 1 minute every 30 minutes at clip range, so we call it even
."

There was a lot of woe and cries at the archer community as they thought
their rule in the BGs was over , and they were right.
leaving TK solo was death, leaving with stealth zerg to protect was death
to archer + stealth zerg.
So some archers hang their bow , and other joined regular fgs if lucky and
all what the assasins could see with their See Hidden , was that there
were no more archers going around.

And the archers in the BG cried out to Mythic and Mythic heard the cry of
the Archers and said , "We will give you Camoflage and the assasins
wouldn't see you with See Hidden , as long as you avoid violence you will
be protected, but if you raise a weapon in violence and your life is
forfeit for 10 minutes"

And the assasins saw that and cried out "Wtf , we spend 8 rps to get See
Hidden and now they get immunity with cammoflage , we are respecing" but
some wiser assasings said , let them draw first blood and than let their
lives be forfeit"

And some assasings kept See Hidden and some archers started leaving the
TK's some solo and most with a stealth zerg to protect.
But after one kill assasings would converge from all around and soon the
archer + stealth zerg would be dead.
and soon all what the assasins could see with their See Hidden , was that
there were no more archers going around.

And the archers in the BG cried out to Mythic and Mythic heard the cry of
the Archers and said , "We make See Hidden stealth dependant , higher
stealth for the archer will reduce detection range which will be 750 range
minimal vs assasin with 50 stealth"

And the assasins saw that and cried out "Wtf , we spend 8 rps to get See
Hidden and now we cant even spot archers at clip range + they have
camoflage, we are respecing" but some wiser assasings said "Archers will
now leave the TKs, range was reduced by much but now a lot more archers
will be able to solo, so we will have many more to pray on, let them draw
first blood and than let their lives be forfeit"


Than the people in the BG cried , stealthers are making our lives a hell
and Mythic heard and said "We will give you many ways to detect and
destroy them" and gave PNs, dot mines , stealth lore and DD storms.
And the people in the BG saw that and said , it is not enough give us
more.

So mythic said "We will give archers the ability to have permanent True
Sight 1, 2 or 3 , all non perma TS stealthers will bow down lay on the
ground and give rps to perma TS archers , those of perma TS 1 will bow to
those perma TS 2 lay on the ground and give rps and all those with perma
TS 2 and below will lay before the perma TS 3 which will now rule the BG.
Shoot , run , stealth , avoid non perma TS 3 stealthers , Rinse repeat.

And those of the perma TS 3 thought they made it , but all they saw was
other perma TS 3 archers wondering about the wereabouts of the other solo
stealthers.

The other non perma TS 3 stealthers were at that time , in a regular fg
WOW or RL or at VN boards complaining to Mythic since there was no place
for them in the BG anymore.


Dicer
 

Jox

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:D

Well said Dicer.

I rather fight heat-legendary-weilding infils in rr 10+ than rr 2 snipers with perma-TS, hell even a tossers like Slotty will be a threat.
 

Rulke

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It's not even close to the clipping range sillyness of the original see hidden, in fact you have to spend nearly 1/3 of your total RSP's to get TS with even half the range of your bow.
 

Glottis

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Lol, what a retarded post to be honest. Of course Jox tries his best to out perform Dicer....

Claiming archers are some non stop killing machine like assasins are is just utter and compleet bollocks. Maybe at the very start of DaoC where archers overpowered. But with the introduction of self bt and numerous other stealth nerfs this has not been the case for most of the passed 2 years.
See hidden was even more retarded, and yet all the SB's felt it complemented their overpowered LA very well.
Can assasins please not bitch about archers being able to get 1k range SH for the cost of 30 something RP's, compared to 3.5k range SH at the cost of 8 rp's that the assasin community enjoyed?
If this is too much for you CS bot noobs to understand, tough.
Regards, Glottis
 

Nalistah

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atleast archers had camo as complement.. assassins get nothing ;)
 

tookha

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vintervargen said:
i dont know what class you are, but if your an ns/infil/sb, FO and QQ more naab.

coming from SH whiner numero uno, riight..
 

Aussie

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archers get after 2 year SH for 30 RA points with 1k range
assassins had it for 8 points for 2 years long with clip range

hypocrits xD
 

Nalistah

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Aussie said:
archers get after 2 year SH for 30 RA points with 1k range
assassins had it for 8 points for 2 years long with clip range

hypocrits xD

assassins deserved it
archers dont
xD
 

Rulke

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The only thing most assassins deserve is being deleted :eek:
 

Haldar

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after 5 months with a 10min timer

3 months. check history.

archers get after 2 year SH for 30 RA points with 1k range
assassins had it for 8 points for 2 years long with clip range

hypocrits xD


give me ur ranged damage - then i'll live with ur passive TS.
 

Aussie

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b00h00, cry me a river

being able to get a full critical strike chain in without any form of skill
being able to get into melee range as melee class with overpowered LA


"3 months. check history."

US months, was more like 5-6 EU months .
 

Squalion

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well, all i gotta say to assasins is Pay backs gonna be a bitch.
 

Jox

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Aussie didnt play his scout during the SH-era at all, so I have no clue what it is he is going to take "revenge" on.

Btw; I find it amusing that so many snipers are so bitter that they are rdy to sell their own asses to Satan.

Ah, yes, ofc, I had overpowered laxe for 1.5 mill rps of my 6 mills, so ofc I deserve to get fistfucked for the rest of my life. Why not take away all weapons from sbs and let them fight with their hands. While all snipers got AK47:eek:r.

Like overpowered laxe would be an issue comparing to a 9 sec dragonfang sec and ap 3 since day one, get some perspective ffs.

Btw; Glotty, shut it.
 

Aloca

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Yes assassins had a overpowerd RA that disabled archers, so archers whined to get it removed from game. They finaly did it.
But now you cheer to get the same overpowerd ability yourself.

Isnt it the archers that is hypocrits then?

(tho same time those that defended SH and complaining now is just as bad)
 

Haldar

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being able to get a full critical strike chain in without any form of skill

lol. compare pressing bow button 2 times and lining up PA - at solo target which moves with speed 4 for example.

US months, was more like 5-6 EU months .

are all of albs that stupid?.....hmm no. /hug Pin
http://camelot-europe.goa.com/news/newsarchive90.php?id_rubrique=57

The servers are now in version 1.52 !
[2002-6-11]
1.50 is now live !
[2002-27-08]

2 months, 10 days.
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ps.

i dont f'king care anymore. when nf come i'll just respec to purge3, mopX and toughnessY and run with guild grps. no role for assasins - i will try to be a tank.
 

vintervargen

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Jox said:
Btw; I find it amusing that so many snipers are so bitter that they are rdy to sell their own asses to Satan.

you have NO IDEA how SH was in the hands of retarded people. (read meduza)
 

censi

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it is a bad post sorry dicer, its shows little understanding of the archer class and the difficulties this class has faced for well over 2 years.

Its like archers have had a fooking mare in daoc for fooking so long.

seriously assasins you been shafted to with us, but you aint been shafted like the archer been shafted!!! we really got shafted.

The RA change radically re-adjusts the balance and will make archers and assasin en par and massive rivals again. "Active down" archers will not be free RP anymore.

You will have to be good!!!
You will have to be well equiped!!!
You will have to pick your RA's carefully!!!!
You may even have to flee from an archer instead of insta pwning one!!!

The days of the PL'D FOTMERCILTRATOR are over!!!!

Nuubs: start rolling your Mincers in advance!!!
Pros: Adapt and overcome!!!
 

Jox

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censi said:
it is a bad post sorry dicer, its shows little understanding of the archer class and the difficulties this class has faced for well over 2 years.

Its like archers have had a fooking mare in daoc for fooking so long.

seriously assasins you been shafted to with us, but you aint been shafted like the archer been shafted!!! we really got shafted.

The RA change radically re-adjusts the balance and will make archers and assasin en par and massive rivals again. "Active down" archers will not be free RP anymore.

You will have to be good!!!
You will have to be well equiped!!!
You will have to pick your RA's carefully!!!!
You may even have to flee from an archer instead of insta pwning one!!!

The days of the PL'D FOTMERCILTRATOR are over!!!!

Nuubs: start rolling your Mincers in advance!!!
Pros: Adapt and overcome!!!

Nope

What you forget is the simpe fact that hib/mid-stealthers sits in another positon. The albs will still be able tou build STEALTH-speed groups and clean large areas in the Frontier within seconds...while we have to move in snail-speed to the opposite side. Its like comparing windows 95 with windows XP.

Plz, wake up, perma-TS will be 200% better for albs.

Censi, if this shit goes live, you will stop playing after x amounts of weeks, bitter over the fact that Mythic have failed again..
 

Driwen

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Aloca said:
But now you cheer to get the same overpowerd ability yourself.

Isnt it the archers that is hypocrits then?

(tho same time those that defended SH and complaining now is just as bad)

its 4 times as expensive and it covers 9 times as less ground, but its on an archer to lets say its 18 times as less powerful. So its hardly the same as SH.
Allthough I do think giving archers the ability of seeing people from 1k passive is to powerful, I also think spending 30 points for a RA is to much so I doubt many will get it. However archer vs assassin in melee atm the assassin would win the fight most of the time and 1k range means you will probably be able to get just 2 arrows in. Dont forget that you are talking about a radius of 1k vs 3k clip range so you loose 3 times the radius and 9 times the ground you cover so it is ALOT weaker than what assasins had (and so expensive very little archers would get it before extreme high RR anyway and even then the archer has an advantage of 2 arrows and even archers that got in TS might loose and thats 3 times as much range).
 

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