Perhaps you hadn't noticed ...

[Luuna]

But Albs and Mids now possess the relics. So, I'm a little confused as to why Albs and Mids are still coming to Hibernia and taking keeps and camping the MG's.

It seems to me that the wise thing to do would be for Albs to focus on weakening Mid and vice versa, through a steady stream of raids and patrolling. Instead, both seem happy to leave each other be and come to Hibernia and randmoly take keeps.

I genuinely don't understand why. If Mid recapture the relics Albs will wonder why, and if Albs take the power relics Mids will say that it's because the raid was arranged at an ungodly hour.

This isn't RvR. It's hit-and-run. If you get lucky and kill a few enemies in Emain - Woohoo! But come on! Wouldn't it be exciting to have lengthy tactics, wondering what step to take next in ensuring the success of your realm, where visits to Emain are simply a follow up to perfectly executed plans and not the nightly RvR meat market that Emain is now.

I like heading to Emain for some quick battles as much as anyone, had some really lovely warfare there tonight. But it's really boring knowing that when you go to the Alb MG there will be mids there. when you go to the Mid MG there will occasionally be Albs there, and getting flanked by both in between. Y-A-W-N-! Tonight was my first trip to Emain in three weeks. It's just dull and grey there right now. Jeez, even Yggdra is more interesting.

(P.S. This is not a flame, so don't treat it as one.)

 

[Roalith]

You clearly haven't been in Hadrian's Wall much over the last couple of days, have you?

 

[Jonaldo]

I have.. nothing was there as everyone was in Emain.

Though now Mids have Bolg I can't get there on my own so Odins it is, as Hadrians IS STILL EMPTY!
Jeez one fight there doesn't make it the rvr capital of the world, and the albs needed 5 catapults there to stand any chance.. one day us Hibs will hopfully get close to the numbers you have, and even at lower levels we shall conquer...

To be honest you can take all our keeps and I won't mind, just don't blame hibbies for not going to emain anymore, we'll just go to odins which is the usual secondary rvr spot, for Albion, as with the players there, is far too bland to bother visiting for any extended period of time

 

[cleeve]

Ahh but if they plan a lengthy strategy and it doesnt work it will be because of those evil dual accounters that spy on everything we do and tell their evil realm m8s

I think its time the level 50s on every realm got together and decided on a plan of attack - then they gather people for hunting parties - they don't tell anyone where they are going and we start trying to have a proper campaign

I am telling you now - if a level 50 sent a call for lvl 30+ to my guild I would definitely help if I was online.

I think its really important that each realm starts to work together more now. All realms on Pryd now have a fair few level 50s yes some have more than others but there are still alot of level 50s out there. We should all also have a fair few mid to high level 40s so I think we should start getting in touch. Get a pw protected forum up and then get some ideas sorted.

Revor

 

[old.Eynar_Vega]

Originally posted by Luuna Star


Wouldn't it be exciting to have lengthy tactics, wondering what step to take next in ensuring the success of your realm, where visits to Emain are simply a follow up to perfectly executed plans and not the nightly RvR meat market that Emain is now.

I'm afraid this isn't exciting at all. We've been camping the mg's in Odin's and patrolling the keep area's, but most of the time this is very very dull. In a couple of hours you might encounter an occasional invaders party if you're lucky, and that isn't exactly my idea of fun tbh...

 

[old.Jadow]

I camped the pennines for a while watching for middies. After a while it became difficult to move up a hill, I kept bumping into patrols of plate wearers! Trust me, although we run to emain everynow and again for a bit of sport, it's crowded on our frontier.

Feel free to come and join in on the fun <grin>

Jadow
Lvl 4x Infiltrator
Unguilded.

 

[old.Greggor]

Originally posted by LegoPirate
. All realms on Pryd now have a fair few level 50s yes some have more than others Revor

Dont know how many alb have us in hib have aprox 20 and than is max where we have seen 70+ 50th in one place but in hib i have never seen more than 10 5oth lvl ppl in one raid.

That is just then 50th lvl ppl what about 45+ the 2 other realms have alot more ppl and u will never see a 3 way fight we are just the small realm that the other 2 realm can take keep easy from them.

if u want to have a three way fight start attack each other relic holders, and leave us alone for a while or u will not ever get a fight from hib becuase all the high lvls will leave because it it no fun.

It was siad to me it u close the lvl gap it would be more fun bollox if we have 2 group and run around emian killing equal numbers of mid/alb all the middies do is bring out 24 50th lvl and kick our asses which must be soo enjoyable for them

 

[old.Kaylin]

I must agree with greggor, Hibs tend to get very fed up after about an hour or 2 of rvr, why? Well take the other night for example...

My group finds an equally matched group of mids, so we start to attack, but are forced to withdraw, they had about 2 more men than us, which meant we had to run before finishing them off.

we rest up and come back 2 minutes later, and what do you know, but we get ganked by 4 lvl 50's.

Where the hell is the fun in rvr, if you just get killed all the time due to the fact that lvl 50's seem to be so rp hungry?!
For gods sake, try letting your lower lvls deal with groups that are roughly equal level to them. Hell they may actually surprise you and win, netting them some rps from something other than leaching you in emain.

just my 2cents

 

[old.Aethelstan]

HIbs, I understand your frustration. I felt a bit like you a while back. But ultimately that's because the Emain skirmishing is so pointless. As we have now discovered, real RvR involves relics. And everyone now understands the importance of border keepsin guarding those relics.

Every night since the relics were captured, there's been significant RvR in the Albion frontier. On Sunday, there was 12 solid hours of it, and it involved both a Hib army and several Mid armies. Tonight, the Mids invaded again, and my Guild was involved in 3 open-field battles in Snowdonia in front of Hurbury, in the Pennines south of Sursbrooke and in Hadrian's Wall (all victorious, I'm delighted to say). We also retook two keeps (Erasleigh and Benowyc) which the Mids took earlier, and other guilds were defending Boldiam. This is real RvR. Attack, counter-attack, keep defence and sieging, and relieving sieges. We're even learning how to put out a good screen of scouts.

All this is because there's something to fight for - the relics. We REALLY don't want to let them go. If you want RvR, I suggest you moe past your milegate in Hadrian's Wall and see what you find. Otherwise, have patience and when you're strong enough to claim a relic or two, we'll finally discover what real three-way RvR is. I can tell you that the current two-way scrap is fantastic.

 

[Brannor McThife]

Originally posted by Aethelstan
We also retook two keeps (Erasleigh and Benowyc) which the Mids took earlier...

Just checked the website...and sure as hell looks like we still hold Beno...

-G

 

[old.Greggor]

Originally posted by Aethelstan
All this is because there's something to fight for - the relics. We REALLY don't want to let them go. If you want RvR, I suggest you moe past your milegate in Hadrian's Wall and see what you find. Otherwise, have patience and when you're strong enough to claim a relic or two, we'll finally discover what real three-way RvR is. I can tell you that the current two-way scrap is fantastic.

That it all it is ever going to be because we will never be strong enough simple numbers game

 

[old.Aethelstan]

Originally posted by Brannor McThife


Just checked the website...and sure as hell looks like we still hold Beno...

-G

Ah well, another late nighter by our unsleeping viking friends. I logged at 12.30, and Beno was ours. No matter. Nice of you boys to provide such a lot of keep-taking practice so close to home.

 

[old.Greggor]

Originally posted by Aethelstan
HIbs, I understand your frustration. I felt a bit like you a while back.

At least u had something to look foward too we have the weakest realm and unless we get around 300 players and the two other realm get no one we will become even weaker as our high lvl leaves.
No one likes to lose again and again and have not prospet of ever winning. Welcome to hiberian/prydwen

 

[Nemesis Warlock]

Had a bad day, Greggor?

The last two weeks have been the best for hib

We grew on numbers , got first high lvls
fought first battels and NOT got superganked
we even took and defended some keeps.....
Its going to be better...

But if u fear high lvls driven away from us... i must sadly say
Threads like this wont help us they will only discourage more hibs.. and theres really no reason... i didnt regret being a hib a single second.

so

1: Dont discrourage our m8s if u want to build UP our realm with swords dont tear em DOWN with words first.

2: Another idea would be not giving always info to other realms how many high lvl we got ... they wont withdraw fomr any battle if they know in that bunch o hibs r only 10 lvl50. Discourage em not encourage em by telling em ... were soooo weak..

Darn got to leave for some mins ill be back wirting more...

ok back:

to 2: we were always the ones not showing much on the battlefield... no one knows our real numbers... suddenly 50 hibs gank 30 mis at albmg .. and so.. were the secret treehuggers , hidden and attacking surprisingly ... or not ... just a suggestoin

well 3: The worst is u say we need many people...
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No one likes to lose again and again and have not prospet of ever winning. Welcome to hiberian/prydwen ;(
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But sentences like that do only one thing :
Every new player in DAOC willing join any Realm will be discouraged and go to mid and alb

Sentences like this drive away ANY player willing to join hib first and give only support to mids and albs then.

This does not support our goal at all ... the opposite is the case

No harrassment plz think about this

Spiceeeey

 

[svar]

Spice noone regrets being a hib. At first we all enjoyed playing an underdog, using guerilla tactics, striking and biting where we could, but as other people point out in this thread: small skirmishes are pointless, it is all about relics in this game and the sad fact is that Hibernia on Prydwen will NEVER be strong enough to take, let alone keep a relic.

And that is casuing some people to retink whether they will renew their accounts.

 

[Nemesis Warlock]

Svarun, plz check my former post up here i edited it while u wrote... got some new points in it....

P.S. when hibernia dies .. alb and midland wil die too .. .thats clear
no one plays on a server where the 3rd realm is DEAD. Perhaps something will happen like in US peeps from other server come to aid us ... i gave 3 high lvl albs/mids changing to hib items and gold for a good start here at us and i hope itll be more soon.. but not if high lvls start to leave

Ill be here and if im the last hibby

)
YAY

 

[old.cerebus]

We enjoy being the underdog. Part of being the underdog is knowing that with skill, cunning and hard work we can overcome our problems and win on the day.

The problem we have is no matter how cunning and skillfull we are, the fact that we don't have the numbers to support us will always mean we will get ganked by any serious force.

If anything, people will be more likely to come to Prydwen/Hibernia because of the fact that we are under populated. However, they're likely to leave within a few days.

Be thankful we still have high levels in Prydwen/Hibernia, the way the current trend is going, this server will forever be a two way fight between Albion and Midgard.

This is not me moaning about my character or my realm, it's just the facts.

 

[old.Aethelstan]

HIbbies, I wouldn't fret too much. Levels are all-important, but they do come in time. And they're more important than numbers. As we've discovered recently, when you have more than 100 folks fighting each other near a graphic-rich environment (like a relic keep), things start to slow down to the extent that the game becomes near unplayable. So, for example, the Mids are never likely to get their relic back at peak times, however many people they bring. Because Albion will rush hundreds (the other night, there were nearly 200 Albions in or around Castle Excalibur) of folk to the relics, and the zone just dies on its feet while guards wander round killing the invaders. Similarly, I've seen keep raids of 40-odd people, of level 35+, get wiped by the resistance of 2 or 3 well-placed lvl 50 defenders (helped by the guards, of course).

So what's my conclusion ? Well, organisation does count. A reasonable number of organised high-level folks is more likely to achieve success than a very high number of lower-level folk. The realm which dominates will not be the one that can get hundreds out to Emain for mindless realm-point farming. But the one which can get 80 45+ players organised with rams etc and meeting up at a good time to go get those relics fast. This isn't to say that lower-levels (like me) can't have fun on the frontier. We can and do. But in terms of being truly competitive at winning relics, as long as you have 100 players, and most reach high levels eventually, then you'll be able to compete as well as the next realm.

Keep fighting the good fight. I always enjoy meeting Hibbie forces in our frontier, as it makes a change from the same old viking scum. You'll get there, and probably sooner than you think.

 

[Jonaldo]

I do think that you're missing the point too here, yes levels are all important, and Hibernian levels are going up, but unfortunately Ablion and Midgard levels are going up at a faster rate, for every new level 50 we get in hib, there are 2 more in both Mid & Alb...

Examples of tactics not being important in RVR are shown all the time when say we take Crauchon back, mids come and try and get it again, they turn up with 10-15 people, against our 20-25 army that took it they get wiped, then albs turn up with 30 or so people, due to the fact that we're just a lot better than albion and most albs are stupid they get wiped too... then mid appear again with about 40+ all level 50's and half being shadowblades that kill us from inside... we tend to get bored after a while as we know that whatever keep or relic we attack it will always follow this exact same pattern.

The fact is without any arguments, It isn't that Hibernia doesn't WANT the relics or see's anything worth fighting for, it's just that WE DO NOT HAVE THE NUMBER OF PLAYERS TO DO IT

But we still battle on, with many of our 40+ players quitting or taking breaks or moving to other servers because the RVR is better.. I for one enjoy taking the scalps of many an alb or mid and will continue to do so, at least until SWG comes out then something will have to improve to keep me in this environment

 

[Nemesis Warlock]

Hi Cornell!

Ur right for every hib getting lvl 50 there are 2 mids

but ... 0,5 mid get sbored and leaves
and 0,5 mid even joind hib then cuz he wants fun
we coudl have a chance

Dont give up i dont care if we cant take relics yet as long as you dont make feel we NEVER get em.

SUGGESTION:

Me as a German ( ) ... i will share an expierience with u ...we got experience with people not wanted to leave try leaving...

ok :
We build a big wall around Hibernia so high no one can get over it and everyone trying to get out gets an arrows in the back .. and everybody inside must pretend were the best realm of all.... hehe what about that ? Anybody knows which country i mean (hehe) ?

Yours West-Spicey

 

[Saturnine]

Poor Hibernians

Although I totally agree with the previous post: all large numbers aid you to do it rush an area and hope it crashes as a form of defence.

A group of 30-40 level 50 players (that is SURELY possible, even in Hibernia) is more than enough to single-handedly take a relic keep (when nobody is looking). Having a plathora of low levels around to act as bladeturns for the highlevels comes at the cost of unimaginable lag and link deaths and jerkyness and warping and arhghg!

There was a time when Midgard was stupidly strong compaired to Albion, and now we are a fair match in terms of keep taking and what not, mainly because we have some organization (at last) and not just numbers.

I`m sure Hibernia will escape it's dark age (pardon the pun) in a month or so.

Come on hibbies... come and play :touch:

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

I believe in you.. you just have to keep working 3 weeks ago noone in their right mind would have believed if I had told them we would have the str relics back.
you can do it to, im sure your eldrichts could use thoughs power relics, go for it and if you fail try again, just as long as you have fun

 

[Luuna]

"Sentences like this drive away ANY player willing to join hib first and give only support to mids and albs then"

If people are going to read threads like this and decide to join MIdgard or Albion because they want to be on the "winning" (note quotes) team then I say good riddance to them. If that is the mentality they have then Hibernia is better off without them.

However, this thread is not about whether I think Hibernia is underpowered and underlevelled or not. It's about the state of affairs in RvR right now. It seems to me that Mids and Albs need to rethink their strategies.

Here's a thought : Perhaps if Midgard hadn't spent so much time in Emain Macha, hadn't invested their energies and money into pointlessly capturing Hibernian keeps they would still own the strength relics.

No doubt I'll see you all in Emain tonight.

 

[old.cerebus]

Originally posted by Saturnine
A group of 30-40 level 50 players (that is SURELY possible, even in Hibernia)

It isn't

 

[Lydek]

I'm not sure its possible in Albion let alone Hibernia.

 

[old.Greggor]

Originally posted by Saturnine
I`m sure Hibernia will escape it's dark age (pardon the pun) in a month or so.

Come on hibbies... come and play :touch:

only if in this month all of midard and albion they stop xping and alot of ur 50th lvl leave but as i have read thatu have great RvR between u 2 there are more likely to stay.

Can u give us tip the for 30 50th ppl to beat 60th 50th lvl ppl?

 

[old.Greggor]

Originally posted by Nemesis Warlock
Had a bad day, Greggor?

The last two weeks have been the best for hib

Spiceeeey

No had a very good day England are though to the second round and so are Sweden and the French and Argies are out


I think we have to own up and say that we cant complete with the other 2 realm and never will at this rate

This is just the beging of the midgard decline and the albion dominance of prydwen.

Nice for the albs

Midgard can still just complete at the moment but not for much longer.

And as for us well we were never really where in the same leage as the other 2 realms

We where in trouble when there where only 300 out of 1200 now there are 300 ppl out of 1500 ppl on the server there are alot more ppl on but not in hib mostly gone to alb

so
300 Hib
500 Mid?
700 Alb?

Not good

Last 2 weeks have been the best for hib? We atleast we have some 50th lvl players now, but i very hasnt had a difference.

Yes we can stand against equal nuber if player now but we cant muster the numbers to do anything serious. Which is a shame

 

[old.Chavez]

Prydwen 21.40 cet

1429 players online.

/who hib 313
/who alb 500
/who mid 412

Rest anon.

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

not really that imbalanced compared to exc

 

[old.Chavez]

Or the u.s. Lancelot server where the ratio is 4-1 in alb favor.

You are not that bad off hibs ! Fight ffs - and remember you will get some much needed love in 1.48 patch. 1on1 perspective you will now be slightly stronger than the other realms..use that to your advantage. Numbers are good in skirmish but on serious raids the real trick is to keep #s as low as possible.

Give it a few weeks you'll be competitive.