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lekkus
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(Hiblove...almost time to stop playing my warden I guess
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(Hiblove...almost time to stop playing my warden I guess
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old.Tzeentch
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just get 2 wardens in grp
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great my nearsight is gana get nerfed love4thelight!!!!!
love4thelight!!!!!
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lekkus
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Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
just get 2 wardens in grp
- Additionally, Longshot and Volley now penetrate ALL Bladeturns, regardless of who cast them.
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kalid
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Give my lighteld a CLASS and RACE respec and I'm happy
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Ziva
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Swapped the levels of the Enchanter Amplify Heat and Amplify Matter lines. Previously, Enchanters were doing high amounts of damage too easily by being able to debuff an extremely high level DD of the same element. With this change, Enchanters will still be able to use this strategy, but now the amount of damage they can inflict will be more variable.
New Heat Debuff
27 Amplify Heat
36 Endow Heat
49 Empower Heat
New Matter Debuff
23 Amplify Matter
33 Endow Matter
44 Empower Matter
Damn... gotta love lagg during respec and getting mana at 49 by accident
New Heat Debuff
27 Amplify Heat
36 Endow Heat
49 Empower Heat
New Matter Debuff
23 Amplify Matter
33 Endow Matter
44 Empower Matter
Damn... gotta love lagg during respec and getting mana at 49 by accident
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old.Tzeentch
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still, BT is a great asset.. its a compromise I guess, archers were pretty gimped <or so i've heard>
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Spamb0t
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yes they were! eer.. is!
ooh and my chanter is 50 mana anyways so that change does nothing
ooh and my chanter is 50 mana anyways so that change does nothing
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old.DachraK
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Hib love!!?? It's a got damn warden nerf. Even the one thing we can do....press bubble icon......gets nerfed. Mythic better comes up with an exlusive patchletter with wardenlub or else screw 'em.
<I'm not really pissed off...just 0.2256 sec today >
<I'm not really pissed off...just 0.2256 sec today
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Zordo
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Excuse me but wtf is wrong with wardens?
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Spudgie
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Originally posted by kalid
Give my lighteld a CLASS and RACE respec and I'm happy
Yup our only unique spell is nerfed + BT nerf, makes us more vulnerable. Yay Mythic again.
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Armolas
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they can only do one thing - pbt
Nothing else is worth speccing for wardens, they can also res (great) and buff (in the pbt line) and they do crap damage so not woth sacrificing pbt to spec higher inn a weapon as they will still hit like crap.
Wardens need either something else to spec in or to be put on a decent damage table, as it is now playing a warden means buffing, hitting pbt button and sticking. May as well go afk after that as there is nothing else for them to do.
We all love em for the buffs and pbt but they have got to be the dullest class to play in the game.
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Arnor
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oh, so your crying that 2 abilities, on a 10 and 15minute timer can penetrate your bladeturn?
Longshot costing 10pts and being a pre-req for Volley which costs 14?
just press
Y E S
we're honestly better off without your retarded ass.
edit: and no its not a fucking warden nerf, its a bt nerf in general.
And you think wardens can only do one thing? try playing an earth-theurgist or a supp-rm. You can atleast heal AND use a fooking wpn AND got 27% absorb, baselinebuffs, resist-buffs, rezz AND much better hps. Oh sure they are boring, but you think its a fucking rollercoaster of fun to play a supp-rm/earth-theurg?
Compared to the other realms pbt'ers you guys have not a single fucking thing to whine about. You even got a damn uber unique-ra.
Ill even see if I can find a nano-violin, to play JUST for you
uke:
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old.Nol
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Originally posted by Arnor2
oh, so your crying that 2 abilities, on a 10 and 15minute timer can penetrate your bladeturn?
Longshot costing 10pts and being a pre-req for Volley which costs 14?
just press
Y E S
we're honestly better off without your retarded ass.
edit: and no its not a fucking warden nerf, its a bt nerf in general.
And you think wardens can only do one thing? try playing an earth-theurgist or a supp-rm. You can atleast heal AND use a fooking wpn AND got 27% absorb, baselinebuffs, resist-buffs, rezz AND much better hps. Oh sure they are boring, but you think its a fucking rollercoaster of fun to play a supp-rm/earth-theurg?
Compared to the other realms pbt'ers you guys have not a single fucking thing to whine about. You even got a damn uber unique-ra.
Ill even see if I can find a nano-violin, to play JUST for you
I think it's about time you found your way back to your own realm's forum. Coming here to troll is arsey, regardless of being a mid.
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Spamb0t
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its just PBT.. not ut own BT... and archers dont do much dmg anyways.
just /face qc-pwn silly archers...
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Arnor
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naah, its Captain Anti-whine to the rescue!
Just so fucking sad to see ppl whining about "nerfs" and not getting love enough when its still in fucking testing, and when its not even real fucking nerfs.
The proposed zerker change is a nerf, BUT you wont see me whining till it goes live and it comes to euro so I can test it myself.
Try to NOT act like 5yearolds that had their lolly stolen
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lekkus
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..and reading (and understand what's been said) is definatly not a skill you possess
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Ensceptifica
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I love playing my warden btw. We'll see what the pbt nerf brings.
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Arnor
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HALLELUJA!!
marry me please!
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elerand
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Agreed, unless the archer population suddenly explodes to take advantage of a BT nerf it's still useful in 90% of other situations.
With any luck they'll make it so there is a % chance to penetrate BT rather than 100%, understandable for assasins PA in the sense they have to be right in front of their target.
Archers in all realms need a boost, just remember that shield has a base 30% chance to block arrows and anyone with a shield should be pretty safe
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Spamb0t
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im with arnor on this one
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Armolas
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Arnor i don't play a warden, but I do have to hear the whining form those that do that they are just a bubble and stick bot
That's why I think they should be given something to do, that will shut them up.
Theurgs get a load of things they can do, so do runies, wardens can basically buff, bubble and res and hit people for < 50 damage, or heal for less than they hit for. They can however whine for england.
Also giving them something else to spec in would work in _your_ favour, as suddenly it becomes viable to have a warden without 6 sec bubble and best resist buffs.
99% of wardens would change specs if any other spec was worthwhile for them, just like you hardly ever see 6 sec bubble on a theurg or runie.
That's why I think they should be given something to do, that will shut them up.
Theurgs get a load of things they can do, so do runies, wardens can basically buff, bubble and res and hit people for < 50 damage, or heal for less than they hit for. They can however whine for england.
Also giving them something else to spec in would work in _your_ favour, as suddenly it becomes viable to have a warden without 6 sec bubble and best resist buffs.
99% of wardens would change specs if any other spec was worthwhile for them, just like you hardly ever see 6 sec bubble on a theurg or runie.
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Arnor
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ok, i dunno, maybe im just thick or sum, but please elaborate on the "load of things they can do" for the supp-rms and earth-theurgs.
im REALLY looking forward to an answer here, I will enjoy watching you trying to row your way out of this one
and to elerand, well, when you think about it cs should have the chance to not penetrate bt, not archers. an assasin that pops up infront of a mage still will be perma-interrupting him. an archer shooting on a mage, the mage just "target last attacker", qc cc or nearsight, and nuke nuke nuke nuke etc.
this is ofc in 1v1's
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Armolas
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Well they can make runies or theurgs and choose not to be full supp or earth is what I am getting at.
If wardens could spec up to a 10 sec bubble and have speccing in healing or weapon make them decent (not uber) at melee or healing a lot of them would.
As it stands if you want a pbt char in hib the only viable way to spec it is _only_ for pb, theurgs can spec for some pbt and have have a worthwhile spec in something else.
If wardens could spec up to a 10 sec bubble and have speccing in healing or weapon make them decent (not uber) at melee or healing a lot of them would.
As it stands if you want a pbt char in hib the only viable way to spec it is _only_ for pb, theurgs can spec for some pbt and have have a worthwhile spec in something else.
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Arnor
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well, ok. i misread you on that one
...lucky stiff
but anyone tried a template with 26 nurture?
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Armolas
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It's been done on gorre (when respecs 1st came in), I 've seen a healing warden and it was less than impressive.
A healing bard is better than a healing warden, I don't think I have seen a warden specced for full weapon, but i gather from vnboards its not that good either.
A healing bard is better than a healing warden, I don't think I have seen a warden specced for full weapon, but i gather from vnboards its not that good either.
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Arnor
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well, look at it this way: for wardens the pbt line is the good one, while the other specs are crappy. for theurgs/rm's the supp line is crappy and the other specs good.
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elerand
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A healing warden does have a good single target heal, same as bards in fact but a warden is able to spec healing without gimping his basic spec which is nurture unlike a bard who specs 33 reg
Trouble is we have no spec grp heal and the baseline grp heal is utterly shit, mana cheap but crap.
I've not tried high weapon spec, wish I had less tbh as I dont feel I actually get anyting out of it being so low and the points would be better off elsewhere...
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inuyasha
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Originally posted by Arnor2
im REALLY looking forward to an answer here, I will enjoy watching you trying to row your way out of this one
What a earth theurg can do, even with 50 earth:
Damage and haste buff
speed chant.
decent baseline root.
Decent baseline dd.
Decent area root (if halfding points is in cold)
Snare blast (if halfdins is in cold)
Debuff attack speed.
Bladeturn chant.
Have a close-to-decent area mess (if halfdings in air)
increase their baseline nuke damage (if halfdings in air)
They have great tank pets.
They have chain stun pets (if halfdings in air)
They have blaster pets (if halfdings in cold)
So what in the seven deep seas are you talking about mate?
To compare, nurture wardens can:
PBT.
Heal
Ress.
Groupheal
Self hot (if regrowth)
self end use reduction (if regrowth)
self end regen. (if regrowth)
Baseline buffs.
Resist buffs,
speed chant,
damage add chant
And what to do in a fight for a warden: sing the chant of pbt, and heal if you care to.
I would not say that the earth theurgs is the boring part of this discussion, would you?
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elerand
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Originally posted by Arnor2
well, ok. i misread you on that one
...lucky stiff
but anyone tried a template with 26 nurture?
I've read of one, in the us, full weapon and the rest in parry/reg.
Basically him and a regular specced warden ran into some mid tank (not a zerker) and he beat them both, the wardens weren't prd however so I could understand one being beaten but both seems a bit much, so much for weapon spec