Paladin Spec please help!

Morlantis

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Hi there, Im currently a lvl42 paladin and im pondering over my final spec....

I had in mind the 39 slash 42 shield 48 chants rest parry, then i thought about going for the 50 slash 42 shield 38 chants rest parry. With this i relise ill lose the endurance 5 chant but will i realy need it? starting again and autotraining chants so i can go 50 slash 42 shield 42 chants isnt a option although that spec would be my ideal one...

I guess what im realy asking will i gimp myself dropping chants to 38 and has anyone tryed this? id realy like the 50 in slash but i dont want to gimp myself going for it.

Thanks
 

York

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Morlantis said:
Hi there, Im currently a lvl42 paladin and im pondering over my final spec....

I had in mind the 39 slash 42 shield 48 chants rest parry, then i thought about going for the 50 slash 42 shield 38 chants rest parry. With this i relise ill lose the endurance 5 chant but will i realy need it? starting again and autotraining chants so i can go 50 slash 42 shield 42 chants isnt a option although that spec would be my ideal one...

I guess what im realy asking will i gimp myself dropping chants to 38 and has anyone tryed this? id realy like the 50 in slash but i dont want to gimp myself going for it.

Thanks

In short, yes.

Endurance 5 makes us what we are, people ask you to join thier group for it.
I wouldnt worry a great deal about 50 slash, you can get items that will give you the +(11) to give your char the 50 slash your after, of course you wont get all the styles though.
My current template is

39 Slash (+11)
42 Shield (+11)
46 Chants
21 Parry (+7)

Works quite nice for PvE and not too bad for RvR either.

If you want to use your pally for specific PvE then do 48 chants instead to get the last AF chant, if your going more for RvR personally id drop slash a little more and put a few more points into parry.

If you want an offencive tank try the new half ogre armsman or merc.
 

chretien

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My spec is 50 shield, 46 chants, 29 slash and 19 parry although when I get my hands on a respec stone I'm going to have 50 shield, 48 chants, 13 slash and 28 parry.
To my mind the two big advantages of the Paladin are defence and endurance regen. Defence comes from high shield spec, af self buff, af chant and heal chant, if you forego that you've really just built a gimped armsman. Because you're on a low damage table anyway, you will still not do very much damage even with 50 slash so damage output is a secondary consideration to staying on your feet for as long as possible.
Final end chant allows you to sprint without endurance loss and everyone in the group to perma-style in long combats, as stated above it's a big part of why Paladins are popular in groups - if they wanted a damage dealer they'd have invited a merc.
 

Nxs

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The above pretty much covers the two standard specs.

46 chants - 42 shield, 39 slash rest parry, makes a good allround paladin

46/48 chants - 50 shield, 29 slash rest parry, makes a very good defensive pally but obviously damage output suffers a little.

The question really should be where do you see your character fitting in, purely PvE or RvR or a bit of both, what would you rather your function within groups be, and what do you believe groups will want which will more often be due to your END regen chant, so high chants really is the order of the day.

Despite what has been said - adn what will be said, this is your character and your money, if you want to go 50 two handed and 36 chants for example.. then do it :) dont just use a cookie cutter spec because everyone else does.

as a final thought check out the PUBLIC CHARACTERs on daoc.catacombs.com
 

Morlantis

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Thanks for all the help guys, been messing around with the catas for a few days now and think im gonna stick with the original 39 slash 42 sheild 48 chants 15 parry. The 39 Slash 42 shield 46 chants 20 parry looks nice but id rather have the last AF chant than the extra increase in parry.....

If i could start again id definitly autotrain and go 50 slash 42 chants 42 shield but to be honest i dont have the time to do that :(

The 50 slash 38 chants 42 shield is still tempting im just worried that the endurance 4 wount be enough.

Is the diamond style much good anyway?

Cheers Guys
 

Dordanov

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Morlantis said:
Thanks for all the help guys, been messing around with the catas for a few days now and think im gonna stick with the original 39 slash 42 sheild 48 chants 15 parry. The 39 Slash 42 shield 46 chants 20 parry looks nice but id rather have the last AF chant than the extra increase in parry.....

I myself have the 48 chants 42 shield 39 slash 15 parry spec, whereas my brother has the 46 chants 42 shield 39 slash 20 parry spec.

In my opinion the higher chants more then make up for the loss of the (only 5) parry points. I got better Grp AF buff (tho friars don't like that too much :p) and allso better DMG add buff.

When soloing in PvE I tend kill a mob faster and with a lil' less loss in Hp compared to my brother.
The difference in RvR is hard to tell ofcourse, but overall I favor the 48 chants template over the 46 chants one.
 

chretien

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With my spec unbuffed I hit chain wearers in duels for about 50-70 with an amethyst slash and for about 150-200 with brutalise. I have ~150 strength and am using a MP jambiyya (16.5 dps, 2.6 speed) and an MP medium shield.
A friend of mine did some tests with respec stones and discovered that the difference in damage output between 29 slash and 50 slash is completely irrelevant compared with the difference between level 12 cleric spec buffs and no buffs at all.
I would also say that brutalise is a much better style than diamond slash by a long, long way.
 

vng

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44slash 42shield 46chants rest in parry.
Screw parry for rvr and or pve...
Game is not about duels.
 

chretien

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vng said:
Game is not about duels.

Nope I totally agree, but as Morlantis seemed to be concerned with his damage output, I figured I'd demonstrate the damage variance isn't as huge as he might have thought. Duels don't tell you much about class balance or RvR feasibility but it is a good way to test how much damage you can expect to do vs various armour types on even con opponents.

I'd disagree with your point about parry, in some situations parry is better than block, however those situations are fairly rare and as a group-friendly character you shouldn't get one to one against a dual wielder too often anyway.
 

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