Omfg Zerkers Are So Gimped And Broken

[Trinilim]

feck you mythic!

I soloed a red con and lost more than 25% hp!









































zerkers are fine still

just not as overpowered as they used to be

 

[venerable]

Praise be!

Balance is good for *all*.

I bet zerkers do fine in RvR.

No sympathy for shadowzerkers though (mercfils and bladeshades too). Assassin = critblade

See you on the battlefield!

 

[old.Emma]

Originally posted by venerable
Praise be!

Balance is good for *all*.

I bet zerkers do fine in RvR.

No sympathy for shadowzerkers though (mercfils and bladeshades too). Assassin = critblade

See you on the battlefield!

wouldn`t get to cocky about it tbh.

after all if you infils wtfpwn for too long your heads will be on the chopping block next.

 

[zapzap]

did 300 icyB with my sb on other SB today unbuffed dont sound to bad, will wait and see till i run into a infil.


Zapsi

 

[venerable]

Originally posted by old.Emma
wouldn`t get to cocky about it tbh.

after all if you infils wtfpwn for too long your heads will be on the chopping block next.

Don't see any cockiness in my post.

It used to be SZ > all other assassins. Now that doesn't hold.

I want fair fights, not one class dominating from ANY realm.

PS just noticed Szakal got a kill in emain on Invisibul...so they can kill still.

 

[Solid]

venerable a 50 slash 50 DW Inf with access to the 45 DoT and good stealth kinda wipes the floor with any SZ both now and pre 1.62.

Whats your point?

Are you advocating a Infil nerf?

 

[venerable]

Originally posted by Solid
venerable a 50 slash 50 DW Inf with access to the 45 DoT and good stealth kinda wipes the floor with any SZ both now and pre 1.62.

Whats your point?

Are you advocating a Infil nerf?

I'd advocate a mercfil nerf yes, but not on critblades no.

Woah alb advocates alb class nerf...the shock!

Seriously though I despise the thought of any realm having a fighter in stealth. Unpop from stealth and spam style for win is not good. I like to see assassins rewarded for lining up PA, to which I might add that I believe that ALL assassin classes need boosts to CS line.

In addition, I'd love to see 2500 range or so on buffs, but I doubt that's gonna happen. I run unbuffed and I'm closing in on RR5, so I don't see why other stealthers must use a buffbot.

 

[Lanfaer]

I agree, and mythic should implement a class-bonus system, so that when an assassin attacks a mage from stealth(or at all) he'll get a highbonus on dmg, but when doing the same on a tank, he should get a small bonus, and should have a small chance of winning. We're weak and fragile beings that need to rely on stealth and timing, jumping a tank and engaging in pure melee and being able to win is just fubar, the tanks should wtfpwn an assassin easily when going 1on1 with them.

 

[Solid]

I think a higher absorb rating on armours is called for.

Does nothing to upset the caster-tank balance (or lack of, take your pick) but makes heavy tanks fare better versus light armour melee classes, such as leather wearers.

Leave Leather at 10% absorb, boost studded to 25%, boost chain to 34% and boost plate to 40% absorb.

Reduce Studded/Chain/Plate armour penalties (slash/thrust/crush respectively) down from 10% penalty to 5% penalty.

 

[zapzap]

Dont agree think blade should have a chance to beat any class if they get PA cd in and target have no ip up.
Why should a tank beat a blade 1v1 when blade is build to solo and tank is not ?

Zapsi

 

[Trinilim]

Originally posted by zapzap
Dont agree think blade should have a chance to beat any class if they get PA cd in and target have no ip up.
Why should a tank beat a blade 1v1 when blade is build to solo and tank is not ?

Zapsi

because imo assassins are not meant to take down tanks..

I mean think about it.


Analogy:

Army jeep with powerful guns Versus a Tank.

Which should win?

 

[Azal]

Originally posted by Trinilim
because imo assassins are not meant to take down tanks..

I mean think about it.


Analogy:

Army jeep with powerful guns Versus a Tank.

Which should win?

Actually with stealth and pa etc it would be

Army Jeep with anti-tank missiles with element of supprise Vs a Tank.

 

[maxgirth]

Originally posted by Trinilim
because imo assassins are not meant to take down tanks..

I mean think about it.


Analogy:

Army jeep with powerful guns Versus a Tank.

Which should win?

Since when has mythic made sense,? we get leatherclad stick wielding bods, thrashing chain wearing duel wielders, to name but one example .

 

[klavrynd]

Seriously though I despise the thought of any realm having a fighter in stealth. Unpop from stealth and spam style for win is not good.

right, that's why alb get's a 9s stun style after evade

 

[-Lillo-]

Originally posted by venerable

No sympathy for shadowzerkers though (mercfils and bladeshades too). Assassin = critblade

A bladeshade is a shade who specs blade instead of pierce IN a CS template. So he is a critblade.

Their are nearly no battle NS' because CD has crap styles and it isn't very viable. (50Pierce/Blades, 50CD, low stealth/env/CS)


So next time you criticise people for speccing how they want .... get ur facts straight.

twat :great:

 

[Trinilim]

Originally posted by klavrynd
right, that's why alb get's a 9s stun style after evade

do you ever NOT whine about something?

First you were droning on about zerkers being broken (proven wrong ofc), and now you're whining about stealthers..

jeez give it a break allready would you?

You know, the world's a much better looking place if you focus on the positive sides of things and not the negative all the time.

 

[Cap]

Originally posted by venerable
Praise be!

Balance is good for *all*.

I bet zerkers do fine in RvR.

No sympathy for shadowzerkers though (mercfils and bladeshades too). Assassin = critblade

See you on the battlefield!

kindow takes away the fun in the class imo, if they gonna further force stealthers to be purely PA proccs I surely will stop playing my sb. So lets hope mythic don't agree with u =)

Hate classes where only 1 spec works, kindow takes away the meaning of speccing the class at all.

 

[Sharma]

SS cap pre nerf, 489
SS cap post nerf, 366

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[venerable]

Originally posted by -Lillo-
A bladeshade is a shade who specs blade instead of pierce IN a CS template. So he is a critblade.

Their are nearly no battle NS' because CD has crap styles and it isn't very viable. (50Pierce/Blades, 50CD, low stealth/env/CS)


So next time you criticise people for speccing how they want .... get ur facts straight.

twat :great:

FFS asshole!

When I said bladeshade I meant the equivalent of mercfiltrator and shadowzerker. How fucking dumb are you? Didn't you spot the trend in my argument? No, because your post shows you have fuck all clue. It's clear to all except you that I hate stealthing fighters...it's not my fault you choose a different terminology. FFS flame me for calling a car an automobile when you call it a vehicle (eg).

Next time I'll be more explicit - bladeshade in my terminology = high CD, high weapon spec, reasonable stealth, shit envenom, average/poor CS. Fuck you if you're too dumb too see the point I was making and made a crass remark instead of simply asking "erm clarify bladeshade pls".

Honestly, pricks like you have shit for brains. Engage your brain next time, if you can.

 

[venerable]

Originally posted by Cap
kindow takes away the fun in the class imo, if they gonna further force stealthers to be purely PA proccs I surely will stop playing my sb. So lets hope mythic don't agree with u =)

Hate classes where only 1 spec works, kindow takes away the meaning of speccing the class at all.

There are still many specs: 34/39 CS, 34/39/44 weapon, 34/35/36/37 stealth etc.

I stand by my remark...assassins should kill anything they get a SUCCESSFUL PA and CD chain on. If target purges then assassin is not guaranteed a win...the way it should be.

 

[venerable]

arse double post

 

[venerable]

Originally posted by klavrynd
right, that's why alb get's a 9s stun style after evade

QQ
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Pls stfu - SBs get stun in a chain at lower spec, NSs too. Slash infils do not get this and thrust infils must spec to 50 to get it. Even then it doesn't always fire.

Play your zerker for a couple of weeks in RvR and see that you still do OK instead of sulking on the boards.

 

[venerable]

I'll state this again - against an equivalent RR unbuffed opponent, an unbuffed assassin who succeeds in PA/CD chain should win at lest 95% of the time.

Put it this way: who is supposed to kill tanks? Casters cannot at the moment with resists and IP.

I don't like the idea of a class at the top of the food chain, as it were. Presently, the game favours tanks by a huge margin.

 

[midmaster]

Originally posted by venerable

No sympathy for shadowzerkers though (mercfils and bladeshades too). Assassin = critblade

So infs are tanks then? Guess they are since they steamroll everything atm.
Got nailed twice yesterday by a freaking Warder. *sigh*

Will try to respecc to crit, but since even Skalds evade my CD i got no hope for a buffed-to-the-ears evade 7 highdexed Inf will get hit sometime in the next century or so.

When DF is second in a chain
When specpoints for infs is 2.2
When DF is 6 second stun
When damage is reduced 30% for infs
When infs weapons are STR bases
When Mythic gets their thick heads out of their BUTTS

Then i will get my SB back out on the field. No use wasting time getting the already overpowered infs get more overpoered with RA's earned for FREE from the nerfed-to-hell-and-beyond sb's.

*Rollling a tank*

 

[Solid]

Venerable your being highly ignorant and foolish if you dont class Infiltrators in the same group as Shadowzerkers, they are WORSE than a SZ ever was.

a Mercfil can take BOTH their weaponline and DW to 50, get 34 Envenom/Stealth and still have 10CS for a BS2 bubble popper.

a Slash Mercfil will hands down outdamage Thanes, Skalds, Reavers, Valewalkers, Champions, Rangers, Scouts, ......so on so on... in pure melee.

50 Weaponspec + 50 DW + awesopme anytime chain for slash(Amy Slash) OR a 9sec evade based stun for Thrust (Dragonfang) means the Mercfil is way beyond a SZ ever was as far as "overpowered" goes.

Bottom line is Infs need a major nerf, everyone except infils see this, and it will come soon enought imo anyway.

Hell we can just use Alb tactics and scream Nerf at just about everything a Infil does, obtain extreme case screenshots and get you wtfpwned by the enrf bat?

 

[Gewny]

as I posted at another place :

In nature sometimes a sickness take out the predators, this often has the sideeffect that the prey of the predator becomes so many that the prey also gets a sickness, because they got too many.

(translation into daocish follows)

There are a big risk that when SB´s numbers decrease the infils will flood the grass of emain(and oll other zones), ofc they will have the time of there lives during a period but then Mytich will be forced to take counters to this pestecide. I hope u will remember that this was brought upon you by youreself, by calling for nerf of SB´s.

Eg. A infil nerf might very soon be on the horizon.

My view of an assasin is a class that is capable of selecting there situation of attack. they are agaile and smart but cant fight the real fighters. There task is to take out the "soft" enemy targets.

In numers :
Assasin vs Pure melee (ligth and heavy) less than 1% success.
Assasin vs Hybrids 50% chance
Against the rest they should win basicly.
All tree above is ofc if they get in the PA and so on.

I dont think this game was named Dark Age of Stealthers was it ?

 

[scarffs]

Infils a nerf ?
Never, mark my words.

If i'm right i'm happy to be right
If i'm wrong I'm even happier coz infs will be nerfed

 

[zmej]

Originally posted by venerable
FFS asshole!

omg, can albs be nice at all?! Ah yes, they can, if some1 is nerfed as a result of their whine. And i bet venerable has no sympathy to mercfils only because he is CB and lost a duel to a mercfil once. Why do u think, venerable, that people like to read your *stfu*, *fuck* and *asshole* crap?!

 

[klavrynd]

do you ever NOT whine about something?

First you were droning on about zerkers being broken (proven wrong ofc), and now you're whining about stealthers..

jeez give it a break allready would you?

You know, the world's a much better looking place if you focus on the positive sides of things and not the negative all the time.

1) you haven't tried post 1.62 rvr with your zerk and tbh pve means fuck all, just look at thanes

2) savages do the job better and will therefor get a spot in a rvr team easier then a zerk.

3) you haven't been here long enough, i used to whine more and harder

Pls stfu - SBs get stun in a chain at lower spec, NSs too. Slash infils do not get this and thrust infils must spec to 50 to get it. Even then it doesn't always fire.

Play your zerker for a couple of weeks in RvR and see that you still do OK instead of sulking on the boards.

except that the stun for infs is 9s instead of 6 and second in a chain

for the other things, see above

 

[-Lillo-]

Originally posted by venerable
Honestly, pricks like you have shit for brains. Engage your brain next time, if you can.

1. get ur head out of your ass
2. Breathe
3. Read my post again
4. UNDERSTAND
5. then open yer big mouth.
6. If you cant get it right after 2 readings i'll explain


twat :great: