NS spec :)

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Kicks

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Being lvl 39 I thought it was about time I gave some thought to my final spec

The problem I've encountered so far is that I cant find whether Safe Fall 4 is at 41 or 44 stupid character builder doesnt tell me :( so I've done a spec for either :)

Stealth 44 (or 41) - Yes I want safe fall 4 k
CS 39 - Stunning Stab no point in further styles
Envenom 41 - Easy access to Lifebane early
Pierce 34 - Not to fussed how high this goes tbh :)
CD 7 (or 17) - leftovers

Opinions how gimped am I :)

The bonus on this will be by the time I'm RR5 I will need very little bonus's on Envenom or stealth and can focus bonus's via spellcrafting on Pierce. Access to Lifebane imo is very important the earlier I get it the better :)
 
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Faeldawn

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Search back a few months to when players like Envenom, Astaron and Ebonn posted their specs, may find that informative, i would post the url, but im too lazy ;)
 
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spankya

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My advice...

U dont need safe fall 4 tbh so u sure wont need over 40 stealth and easy to get +1x from items and realm rank, u dont need to spec so much in envenom as items and realm rank will get that 50. U could use more in pierce as it affect your damage output even whether u like the styles or not, pierce spec will affect your damage. CS 39 or 44 I guess, CD leftovers :)
 
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Chameleon

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I know you made a point about 'yes i want sf4', but really, there is absolutely no reason to have it. Also, I really think you would want rib seperator at cs 44. You can get envenom to 50 early without going over 37 and CD does make a big difference in your damage over time. I dont recall if 34 pierce gives diamondback, but if not, you REALLY want it imo.
I recommend my spec (well I have to dont I ;) ):

at rr3

37 (+13) Stealth
37 (+13) Pierce
36 (+13) Envenom
44 (+13) Critical Strike
19 (+13) Celtic Dual

with items and some sc'ing ofc.

Would have liked to have specced differently and then respecced at rr5 with some lower and more CD, but respec used to remove a drunken 2 points in blades heheh ;)
 
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Aeiedil

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safe fall 4 is at 40 stealth

my spec at rr5 is stelath 40, pierce\cs 39, envenom 36, cd 20, works fine for me :) i love safe fall 4

talked to you in game the other day though kicks :)
 
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Kicks

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hmm some food for thought here, Rib Seperator is pointless for me as I have never found a use for side on attacks not enough q-bar space for that chain aswell as all the other chains :)

if safe fall 4 is at 40 then that makes it easier :) and I can move Pierce up a bit. CD makes v.little difference to dmg output since at 50 CD it only increases your chance to strike with offhand weapon v.slightly. However, if a patch fixes CD so it isn't just a waste of time then it might be worth some attention :)

I'd quite like Lifebane early and I guess 36 might do with RR and bonus's it really I think gonna depend on how much RvR I do b4 lvl 50.

So Stealth 40 and CS 39 is fixed in my mind so far :)
 
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Ebonn

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Rib seperater : not a side on attack, its the 3rd move in the hamstring chain, hamstring > leaper > rib seperater.

Safe fall 4 : useless, u can jump from a keep and not take any damage with safe fall 3, and u can get 50 total stealth with rr and items easy at 38 ( rr2 ), 37 ( rr3 ), 36 ( rr4 ) etc..
same also goes for envenom, total 50 with 38 base ( rr2 ) etc.. etc..

and u say ure not fussed how high your pierce is, well higher pierce = higher base, less variable damage on ALL attacks, also more pierce = more weponskill which affects you rate to hit, and more, disregarding pierce is a band choice imho.

Celtic duel : should not be ignored there seems to be an optimal lvl about 20-30 [total] above that seems to be a waste and below that has no real effect.


a rough nice spec for rr4 imo is :

[numbers in brackets includes rr and items]

[50] Stealth : 36,
[50+] Pierce : 39 - 44,(could technially drop to 36 for a total of 50)
[50+] Crit : 39 - 44,
[50] Venom : 36
[??] Celtic duel : leftover points ( a total of around 20-30 is nice to aim for but not essential )

In the end its your character and may play it however you wish tho :)
 
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VodkaFairy

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I'm going for:

34 stealth
44 critical strike
44 piece
35 envenom
9 celtic dual

Need quite a few realmpoints before this spec is optimal but I love RvR so I think that shouldn't be a problem :)

Safefall 4 isn't worth the points I think... better spend those points on something usefull like more CS or piece since NS's already lack melee damage.. better not gimp it even more :p
 
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Aeiedil

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well as i said to kicks most shades dont agree with safe fall 4 :) personally i like it but thats just me. ebonns spec is also pretty sweet, for an elph that is :p bloody elph ;) all shades should be keen dammit
 
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Ebonn

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My RR7 spec :

[numbers in brackets represent total with RR and items]

[50] Stealth : 34.
[50] Pierce : 44.
[61] Critical : 44.
[50] Venom : 33.
[29] Celtic : 15.


Stats from Items :

Str: +74 Hits: +195
Con: +75
Dex: +75
Qui: +74


Total Resists:

Body: 26. Energy: 24. Crush: 25.
Cold: 20. Matter: 25. Thrust: 28.
Heat: 24. Spirit: 30. Slash: 27.


Ill redo my armour/weps when the need arise's.
 
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Kicks

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61 CS ? anypoint in that high?

musta mis-read the Rib Seperater info :) nm

Since I have a tendancy to jump off high buildings etc for fun, safe fall 4 is a good idea imo :) almost died last time I jumped off something v.tall.


I've not seen much variance in my hitting even though my pierce is currently about 22, usual Garotte hits for 50-60 offhand weapon hits 35-40, admittedly not using cs styles my dmg is shite atm 30ish, but the cs dmg has remained consistant and Im not convinced that high pierce does make a big difference, but we shall see :)
 
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Ebonn

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Originally posted by Kicks
61 CS ? anypoint in that high?

Since I have a tendancy to jump off high buildings etc for fun, safe fall 4 is a good idea imo :) almost died last time I jumped off something v.tall.

I've not seen much variance in my hitting even though my pierce is currently about 22, usual Garotte hits for 50-60 offhand weapon hits 35-40, admittedly not using cs styles my dmg is shite atm 30ish, but the cs dmg has remained consistant and Im not convinced that high pierce does make a big difference, but we shall see :)
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Each point of CS above 50 increases perf cap by 9 and raises cs styles damage by some amount ( dont know how much per point tho )

I can jump of lord towers in keeps and have plenty of hp left, comes down to , jump of things u dont really need to or have more points to spend, your choice :D

Your wep spec ( pierce in your case ) rasies base damage on all styles, and decreases variance, wep spec equal to your lvl ( 50 pierce total at lvl50 ) is 100%-150% , also higher wep spec increases your weaponskill, higher weapon skill meens less miss's, and apparntly more evades ( evade formula is all weird, cross referance's many things including dex, quick, your weaponskill, opponants weaponskill etc.. etc.. )

Hmm, think i said the last bit already, o well :D
 
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Faeldawn

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Origionally posted by Ebonn

and u say ure not fussed how high your pierce is, well higher pierce = higher base, less variable damage on ALL attacks, also more pierce = more weponskill which affects you rate to hit, and more, disregarding pierce is a band choice imho.
Origionally posted by Kicks

.. and Im not convinced that high pierce does make a big difference, but we shall see :)
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RR7 shade thinks it does, but then again, what would a shade with summit around 1,000,000 rp's know anyway ;)
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Chameleon

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With low pierce you really won't do damage to anything.
CS is the only one you really want to take above 50 if possible, as it does make a difference compared to the others and the 44 evade chain move is worth getting ;) You underestimate CD, it can really make all the difference to your damage over time.
It's very easy to gimp an ns spec. I think you'll find that most ns have a pretty similar spec, give or take a point or two here and there, as going much different can really damage your char. It is your char though I know.
 
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Aeiedil

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on another topic :) chameleon just noticed your from brighton :D im at uni there atm heh
 
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Tyka

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Nice specs if u gonna solo 1 or 2 mages now and then, would'nt exactly be someone i would invite to a balanced rvr group tho. However if you want to be doing good in groups i would recommend lowering envenom and taking CS and Piercing to 50 both, for max dmg output, shades really need it. And that's another reason why you get your asses handed to you by infils who specced 50 thrust.
 
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Chameleon

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Originally posted by Aeiedil
on another topic :) chameleon just noticed your from brighton :D im at uni there atm heh
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:clap: do they give you net access there or was that you I saw in the i-net cafe at the top of West Street in leather driving gloves and body armour, duel wielding steak knives? ;) heheh
Small world init :)
 
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old.Laryssa

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Originally posted by Tyka
And that's another reason why you get your asses handed to you by infils who specced 50 thrust.
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50 Thrust enables the Infi WIN BUTTON (=Dragonfang)

you can't win against it :( :(
 
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Aloca

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To all u peps with safe fall 4. WHY? when ever do u use that? only time i get dmged from jumping is when i realy try to jump so high i can from keep wall, and that does the nice 1%dmg or something like that. jumping from the highest building top trying to suicide take about 70%dmg but who is so damn stupid to jump from there if they dont want to die.
 
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Aloca

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Nice specs if u gonna solo 1 or 2 mages now and then, would'nt exactly be someone i would invite to a balanced rvr group tho. However if you want to be doing good in groups i would recommend lowering envenom and taking CS and Piercing to 50 both, for max dmg output, shades really need it. And that's another reason why you get your asses handed to you by infils who specced 50 thrust.
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Well the nightshade only eral good advantage against infils is out poisons.
infils have 2.5x spec pts maybe thats why they can spec thrust to 50. :)
 
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Tyka

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Originally posted by old.Laryssa


50 Thrust enables the Infi WIN BUTTON (=Dragonfang)

you can't win against it :( :(
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OH REALLY?????

try diamond back, lvl 25 style, same thing. 2 sec shorter stun
 
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Aloca

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OH REALLY?????

try diamond back, lvl 25 style, same thing. 2 sec shorter stun
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agree with that. if u make a succesful diamondback u can then after make 2hamstrings +chain of 1.
 
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Ebonn

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Originally posted by Tyka


try diamond back, lvl 25 style, same thing. 2 sec shorter stun
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Dragonfang : 9 sec stun.

Dimondback : 5 sec stun. :(

Purge > Dragonfang. :)
 
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VodkaFairy

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Originally posted by Tyka
dragonfang is 8 sec, db is 6..afaik :)
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Combined with high thrust and often high DW you're in trouble. They should have given us the dragonfang as we're weaker in melee :p
 
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