NS need help to choose RA abilities

[Bedroc the Hero]

Hi all. im a low NS. i just got lvl 22 and my first RA ability. after looking at the NS abilites i dont find any that seems that uber ( see detected of course )

what should i pick in which order? what is your advice? please help me.

 

[Whandall]

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[Bedroc the Hero]

Thanks! great help!

 

[old.DARKDANCER]

Ive gone wild acana and master of pain as we use 2 weaps you always get a crit in one of em when you fight, my lifebane critted for 156 last night muhahaha.

 

[Gef]

See Hidden is the last on my list really, 8 points is a lot really and once Camo comes in how many easy kills do you think its going to get you?

I think Master of Pain/Dodger are the ones to go for, and if your feeling rich in the RP department go for Viper. Not many people have mentioned Viper at all, maybe because its so expensive, but its like the Infils 'Vanish' .. it grants you one free kill every 30 mins.

Double damage on lifebane?!? Will take down a tank in seconds!

 

[old.DARKDANCER]

Wild arcana is passive and so can go of all the time who wants one kill every 30 mins?

 

[Gef]

Wild Arcana isnt double damage and its only a 5% chance to critical on a DoT. 5% is nothing, you would have to take it to 3 or 4 for it to be of any real use at which point it starts costing a fortune.

Dont forget that critical hit can be anything between 0% and 100% of your actual hit, so even in the rare event that you do get a crit on your poison you may be dissapointed to find it only did 10hp's.

TBH I dont think the cost justifies what you will get out of it, read what those guys on that link Whandall posted say about it. At first the guy bought it to level 3 then realised it was crap so he respecced .. thats good enough reason for me to avoid it.

Viper lets you get a dead cert hit and run on almost any class, PA then leggit at top speed. Double damage, not random crits, risk free kill every 30 mins .. a nice 'fun' RA to buy, I would go for that over See Hidden any day.

 

[Whandall]

Also bad is that WA is a waste of 4 points to the prerequired agumentet auc(i know its misspelled)...

 

[old.DARKDANCER]

well ive got wa2 and it gos off all the time mostly at around 30 more damage so thats aboout 660 damage for a my lifbane dot. At wa2 i have a 20% chance to crit a poison/debuff as I use 2 weaps. I fully intend to max it, its the only edge except for viper that shades have over other assasins. If you combine this with ma it makes u pritty deadly.

 

[Gef]

How does using two weapons double your chance to crit a DoT on one poison? Getting a crit on a debuff too?? WHOO!

Say lifebane has 10 ticks, your have a 10% chance to get a crit one one tick, so over those 10 ticks you *should* get at least one crit. That crit being anywhere between 0% and 100% of the usual tick damage.

25% (34 RP's + 4 for Aug Int) maximum would probably get you on average about a 10% - 15% average increase in overall damage output on your poison...

38 RA's can be better spent elsewhere. Just to get to level 2 WA costs 8 RA's! I would rather spend those points on something like dualists reflexes/master of pain, increasing your chances to get both poisons off quickly and giving you a chance to get a crit off on something like PA!

 

[old.DARKDANCER]

hmm do you know anything about wild arcana?

wild arcana can only go off on the 1st tik and then effects each tik after that. So if u crit for 30 each tik will have 30 more damage btw there are 6 tiks for lifebane.

envenerate 10% chance to crit
lifebane 10% chance to crit

overall 20% chance for 1 to crit

or is my maths fooked?

 

[Gef]

Thats even worse then, every 10 people you poison you get a chance to get an extra 50% damage on your poison ..

Like the guy on that board says:

"Wild Arcana : bad pre-req, seldom seems to proc, tested up to WA 3, in the duels i only noticed it proc twice. when it procs its nice, but its so rare even with the 15% chance that its not worth counting on i doubt unless you have higher spec"

Thats 15% after spending 14 RP's, spend the same RP's and get Viper. So when you attack that Armsman you can choose when you want your 200% damage poison to go off.

What good would proccing enviscerate do?

 

[old.DARKDANCER]

well ive got wa2 and it gos of all the time so im only talking from experience.

envenerate reduces con/strength by 120 so takes a big chunk out of there hps.

 

[Gef]

I thought enviscerate was a snare type posion .. getting a crit on that would do nothing.

Weakening poison is a str/con debuff, getting a crit on that may add a bit extra to it but nothing to write home about.

Most people in RvR use snare and DoT poisons ...

Another good reason to spec Dualist Reflexes, better chance to hit with both weapons and get both poisons off at the start.

 

[Gef]

Also another thing, with the new upcoming patch purge now only costs 4 RP's so you can expect your double/crit damage poison to be purged most of the time anyway.

 

[old.DARKDANCER]

mate im a level 50 ns I know what envenerate dos and how its spelt, as a level 40 scout u should know a crit on eneverate would reduce ur con and strength to 0 would this not hurt?
Snare is broken by poison dots or if u hit again so I only use it on my 3rd weap to get away if in trouble. I use disease a lot aswell as this knackers IP up because u can only half heal while diseased
If purge is reduced to a 4rls dosnt this make viper even more undesirable? also u can always equip another weapon and poison them again.

 

[Gef]

Hm weakening and 'Enervating' are the same thing, just one is higher level, I have not seen that yet anyway as i'm only lvl 25.

As a 44 Scout if I got lifebane'd/PA/CD'd I would be dead anyway. The debuff isnt THAT powerful anyway and you have to wait a minute after purge is activated before you can mezz/poison/stun etc that person again. Basically a full minute of immunity.

Your right tho I wouldnt buy either of them, both cost far too many RA's for what you will get out of them. MoP/DR/Dodger seem like the best bet to me.

 

[old.DARKDANCER]

MOP is very good much better than WA you crit all the time as you hit twice and very fast. I used to have dodger when i was leveling and it makes you into a good tank as u evade like a nutter, I may get it again after I find out how effective its against styles.