No more team leader...

[old.Nol]

Tambori, the bard TL has quit.

http://pub143.ezboard.com/fbardsofcamelotfrm12.showMessage?topicID=979.topic

On the IGN forums his reason was pretty solid, namely the "empathy" stat, if Mythic won't even fix that, what is the point?

 

[Arnor]

well, cant say I blame him, mythic has done fuck-all to help bards. They have alot of issues, and I say this on the basis of fighting against them, not playing em. cant even begin to imagine the other probs uke:

end-regen, no defense, etc

 

[old.Nol]

Biggest example of Mythic crapness in the game. Our secondry stat Empathy is worth nothing, both Stryfh(previous TL) and Tambori tried to get this resolved. What do mythic do? They make everything Charisma based, so even the original points spent in empathy are worth jack shit...we have a rising stat that does nothing.

The other example was when we begged them not to give us insta mezz and they just went ahead and did it.

I hope they do something about it soon, because it seems so far that they have just basically ignored us again.

 

[Spamb0t]

same as qui for casters.

 

[StormriderX]

Originally posted by Spamb0t
same as qui for casters.

qui does something for casters - not much granted but it still does something.

emp does absolutely nothing whatsoever in any way for a bard.

 

[lofff]

Originally posted by StormriderX
qui does something for casters - not much granted but it still does something.

err

what exactly? faster staff swing?

~~

Int is 2ndary stat for champs, and it does aswell nothing (well raises a tiny bit our mana pool --- no DD dmg increased or whatsoever)


there are lots a "broken" classes with useless raising stats due to "concept-changes" from the very early versions..

Live with it, its not the end of the world, actually i couldnt care less bout my bard's emp. There are soo many much more important issues to sort..

- Giv another CC type (any sort) bards the only main CC class with only 1 CC type.

- Make endchant song faster to cast or ininterruptable or something..

- Since they decided to give us those instas, increase their duration (so they are actually worth something) and make em pbaoe (so they are only defense, which imo they are meant to b)



etc etc

 

[Radghast]

Live with it

why the hell should they. ppl are paying money to play a game where there dev's are totally ignoring them and have been since god knows when...fubar imo..same goes for the other "broken" classes

 

[alme]

Bards need no loving theyre fine as they are

Edit: nerf spelling

 

[lofff]

ok radghast, then all of em shall die screaming the words DIEFORTEHWHINE!!1!"!1


Its not really a big trouble.




on the other hand, alme, nowadays i enjoy my bard and dont feel "underpowered" or anything, but its very true that they gave our "unique ability" to the other realms as better versions, this could b enhaced so at least we all are even. Instas are nearly useless so they worry me nearly as much as emp, giv a 2ndary CC type, that would b important..

 

[Radghast]

having never played a bard i can't comment on whether they are under or overpowered whatever. im just pointing out that if there is a problem with a class apathy (i.e not caring whethe its fixed or not) is not going to solve anything, and seeing as the bard TL (formor) has been asking for the same things for a long time as have many other bards. mythic should adress them.

personally im not 2 fussed, my problem is not with pplz crying for nerfs or whining cause there not uber. its with the devs, if they have a TL system, least they could do is listen to them or else get rid of them all and admit that regardless what we say they are gonna change the things they want 2 (which we all know is the situation)

 

[Spudgie]

Noler for Bard TL

 

[old.Nol]

mmmmm, I see, so addressing a stat that does not work, make bards overpowered?

It's not a case of it works a little...it does nothing at all, all it is is a thing that takes original stat points and does nothing with them.

PS: thanks spud but no thanks mate, I would prolly be band for submitting a TL that goes like this

FUCK OFF AND DIE!

hehehehe

 

[inuyasha]

Stop the whine

We have a great second cc class in hib, the nature druid, it also have great buffs and heals, can ress and is not as easy to target as the bards (not carrying instruments and such)

So plez stop whining. How can you call out for a second cc class when most of hib is yelling at nature druids they are totaly gimp specced? If a dozen or so of us reroll one, then we have a long lasting interupting area rooter with eventual instants, much hp and scale.

 

[ab_fluid]

Re: Stop the whine

Originally posted by inuyasha
We have a great second cc class in hib, the nature druid, it also have great buffs and heals, can ress and is not as easy to target as the bards (not carrying instruments and such)

So plez stop whining. How can you call out for a second cc class when most of hib is yelling at nature druids they are totaly gimp specced? If a dozen or so of us reroll one, then we have a long lasting interupting area rooter with eventual instants, much hp and scale.

nature druid has to sacrifice buffs/healing powers to get high nature and i am sure i and most others would pick a good healer over some dude who can root and dot any day of the week

 

[inuyasha]

Re: Re: Stop the whine

Originally posted by ab_fluid
nature druid has to sacrifice buffs/healing powers to get high nature and i am sure i and most others would pick a good healer over some dude who can root and dot any day of the week

A druid can be dual spec.
It would be a nature + regrowth druid, and done come claim its too few buffbots around
Besides, it could also go as a second druid in a group, providing dots, heals, resses and extra group purge and roots that also can chain-interupt the rooted casters would easily be of equal use of for instance a ranger or bm in a group (not having the cc slam provided)

People is crying out for a extra CC class. Im not saying that you should replace your druid with one, but if you find a spot in this team for the extra cc class you wish for, you have one here! Open your eyes, a druid have waaay more potential then just healing and buffing

 

[alme]

giv bard single target r00t like healur :> that would be nice. Atm its a lil to much: Mezz, end, run

 

[elerand]

Re: Re: Re: Stop the whine

Originally posted by inuyasha
A druid can be dual spec.
It would be a nature + regrowth druid, and done come claim its too few buffbots around
Besides, it could also go as a second druid in a group, providing dots, heals, resses and extra group purge and roots that also can chain-interupt the rooted casters would easily be of equal use of for instance a ranger or bm in a group (not having the cc slam provided)

My BM has slam

Perhaps if more tanks bought prevent flight
Amazing how things change, those three tanks running /assist on your healers can be reduced to one at a time, throwing them off their target and causing them to change targets even.
Although I've read that with the changes to attack arcs from the rear it's harder to hit from behind properly, thus reducing the efffectiveness of PF but hey, if they are running in a relatively straight line you don't need to maneuver!

 

[inuyasha]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop the whine

Originally posted by elerand
My BM has slam

Perhaps if more tanks bought prevent flight
Amazing how things change, those three tanks running /assist on your healers can be reduced to one at a time, throwing them off their target and causing them to change targets even.
Although I've read that with the changes to attack arcs from the rear it's harder to hit from behind properly, thus reducing the efffectiveness of PF but hey, if they are running in a relatively straight line you don't need to maneuver!

way to go with your bm! :great:
Still, my point was that its no point whining for a extra CC class in hib, when we have all the friggin cc we need, divided on three different chars! With tanks, nature druid and bard, its quite a lot harder to pick out our cc then its for us to pick off those healers from mid. If we use this correctly, then also provided with two group purges to became viritually immune to enemy cc, we are close to a pimp, and cannot be touched!

 

[Lessurl]

Re: Re: Re: Stop the whine

Originally posted by lofff

- Giv another CC type (any sort) bards the only main CC class with only 1 CC type.

Originally posted by inuyasha

People is crying out for a extra CC class.

No they're not.
If you actually read lofffs post properly, and the hundreds of other posts bards and others have made about this we aren't asking for another cc class... but another form of cc on our main cc class (bard).
Mid main cc class healer. Has, stun, mezz and a single target root.
Alb main cc class Sorc. Has mezz and root.

Hib main cc class bard. Has mezz and.....nothing.
Bard mezzes, people purge/mezzes get broken etc. Bard can now do nothing as they are immune to mez for 1 min. Whereas a sorc or healer could throw on another type of cc bard can now just run about gettin chased by half the enemy grp who just purged.
Like Almec said, even just giving the bard a single target root would do giving them some sort of defence other than running away.

 

[Amadon]

change bard's insta mez to pbae insta root imo, or a 15 sec unbreakable snare

 

[elerand]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop the whine

Originally posted by inuyasha
way to go with your bm! :great:
Still, my point was that its no point whining for a extra CC class in hib, when we have all the friggin cc we need, divided on three different chars! With tanks, nature druid and bard, its quite a lot harder to pick out our cc then its for us to pick off those healers from mid. If we use this correctly, then also provided with two group purges to became viritually immune to enemy cc, we are close to a pimp, and cannot be touched!

Often run with no warden and if we are lucky to have a bard we usually have 2 druids, both have the well rounded nurture spec with insta aoe root, it's extremely useful and coupled with 2 tanks with prevent flight it makes things so much easier. Happy to say druids specced like that perform well, sure the buffs aren't so good but they do a good job in all areas and thus it's not really gimped IMO.

 

[SingerOfSoul]

what bought the farm for my bardis when the other realms got end regen... i can no more use my only defense i have. Playing end and running round like a chicken with its arse on fire and w8ing for the gimp who has been sprinting and twatting me to run ooe guess what due to other realms getting end i cannot do this now what else do i have to stay alive?

Hmmmm i have insta-mezz wooop-de-fooking-dooo seen as the alb/mid on my tail has already probably been mezzed (by me of course ) then it would be a waste of insta as the said alb/mid is mezz immune.

Also bards this lack of defense said above would you like to be in the front line (1000range!!!) of the fight? Well we have to with a drum that acts as a 'Kill me now' sign. Paladins have bitched about the gfx on end chant saying they want it taken out so ppl dont know its a pala HELLO!!!!

I believe the only changes a bard could really have is:

Pbaoe Snare 15sec duration 5 min recast timer on lemme see what dmg type... Spirit mebbe

Change the cast times of the Nurture Song line to 2secs instead of 3 (not only would this mean endo would be up faster in fights but would make twisting easier too ).

Make all bard songs 2000 range (like the speed song already is).

Change emp secondary stat to something useful (move con up to secondary and have dex in as tertiary or smth to improve for heck low hp and slowish cast times).

/em for TL

 

[<Harle>]

On top of this: Archers got their new PA-shot, so they'll be damn deadly against classes who cant cast their own BT and don't have a shield equipped... oh wait, that's only Bards :>