Nightshade Pierce template comparison

[Exarkun]

ok i made 2 nightshade templates for my shade on Avalon. I know some of you will say they are utter crap, actually i expect no less.
What i would like to know is which of these 2 templates you would choose?
Is it still worth it going MH free, considering you have to make sacrifices on other points? Do legendaries still make a difference?

I'm always open to suggestions, so if you think you can improve one of these templates please share


Template 1
+ Completely mainhand independent
+ Decent resists i think (+3% on melee from GSV)
+ acceptable toa bonuses 8/8/9
- low on hitpoints
- no stealthlore, no som, no arti's except gsv
- needs 2 items to use poisons

Statistic
Strength: 100/100
Constitution: 80/80
Dexterity: 100/100
Quickness: 56/75
Hits: 200/240

Resistance
Body: 23/26
Cold: 21/26
Heat: 25/26
Energy: 16/26+5
Matter: 22/26
Spirit: 23/26
Crush: 27/26+5
Thrust: 33/26
Slash: 26/26

Skill
Critical Strike: 11/11
Stealth: 11/11
Blades: 4/11
Celtic Dual: 4/11
Piercing: 11/11

Cap Increase
Strength: 25/26
Constitution: 5/26
Dexterity: 25/26
Hits: 40/200

TOA Bonus
Armour Factor: 17/50
Style Damage: 8/10
Melee Damage: 8/10
Melee Combat Speed: 9/10

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Template 2
+ 3 stealthlore items
+ very nice toa bonuses 10/10/10
+ 47/50 AF bonus
+ acceptable resists (+3% melee from gsv)
+ only needs 1 swap item to use poisons
* Moment of Zen mainhand / champ offhand
- still low on hitpoints
- cold / energy totally gimped
- only 43qui in template putting me on 239qui buffed

Statistic
Strength: 101/101
Constitution: 81/80
Dexterity: 100/99
Quickness: 43/75
Hits: 248/244

Resistance
Body: 26/26
Cold: 0/26
Heat: 24/26
Energy: 0/26+5
Matter: 26/26
Spirit: 26/26
Crush: 24/26+5
Thrust: 25/26
Slash: 24/26

Skill
Critical Strike: 11/11
Envenom: 4/11
Stealth: 11/11
Celtic Dual: 4/11
Piercing: 11/11

Cap Increase
Strength: 30/26
Constitution: 5/26
Dexterity: 24/26
Hits: 44/200

TOA Bonus
Armour Factor: 47/50
Style Damage: 10/10
Melee Damage: 10/10
Melee Combat Speed: 10/10
Fatigue: 9/25

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[Cadelin]

I didn't realise Nyssor = Geomancer!

Surely it depends on your targets and what size group you will be running with! The second one looks like it has plenty of toys.

 

[partyanimal]

post 2nd plz, i have a ns template but looks like more to my pierce temp i was plannin to use on my bm w moz + cw

 

[Exarkun]

I'll be running mostly solo/duo.

Template 2

Statistic
Strength: 101/101
Constitution: 81/80
Dexterity: 100/99
Quickness: 43/75
Hits: 248/244

Resistance
Body: 26/26
Cold: 0/26
Heat: 24/26
Energy: 0/26+5
Matter: 26/26
Spirit: 26/26
Crush: 24/26+5
Thrust: 25/26
Slash: 24/26

Skill
Critical Strike: 11/11
Envenom: 4/11
Stealth: 11/11
Celtic Dual: 4/11
Piercing: 11/11

Cap Increase
Strength: 30/26
Constitution: 5/26
Dexterity: 24/26
Hits: 44/200

TOA Bonus
Armour Factor: 47/50
Style Damage: 10/10
Melee Damage: 10/10
Melee Combat Speed: 10/10
Fatigue: 9/25

Chest (Golden Scarab Vest):
Imbue: 25.0
Dexterity: 15
Crush: 6%
Thrust: 6%
Slash: 6%
Style Damage: 4
Melee Damage: 4
Utility: 46.0
TOA Utility: 40.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Arms (Crafted):
Imbue: 37.5/32 (Quality: 100)
Hits: 68
Constitution: 25
Critical Strike: 4
Strength: 13
Hits (Cap Increase): 40
Utility: 62.3
TOA Utility: 10.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Head (Crafted):
Imbue: 37.5/32 (Quality: 100)
Hits: 76
Dexterity: 10
Quickness: 28
Constitution: 16
Constitution (Cap Increase): 5
Utility: 55.0
TOA Utility: 10.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Legs (Crafted):
Imbue: 37.5/32 (Quality: 100)
Piercing: 3
Hits: 60
Critical Strike: 3
Stealth: 5
Strength (Cap Increase): 5
Utility: 70.0
TOA Utility: 10.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Hands (Crafted):
Imbue: 37.5/32 (Quality: 100)
Envenom: 4
Matter: 7%
Spirit: 9%
Thrust: 9%
Dexterity (Cap Increase): 5
Utility: 70.0
TOA Utility: 10.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Feet (Crafted):
Imbue: 37.5/32 (Quality: 100)
Heat: 9%
Critical Strike: 4
Body: 7%
Thrust: 9%
Armour Factor: 10
Utility: 70.0
TOA Utility: 10.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Right Hand (Moment of zen):
Imbue: 20.0
ALL melee weapon skills: 3
Strength: 15
Dexterity: 15
Fatigue: 5
Strength (Cap Increase): 4
Dexterity (Cap Increase): 4
Melee Combat Speed: 2
Armour Factor: 5
Utility: 35.0
TOA Utility: 41.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Left Hand (Dochar Nightshade Steel):
Imbue: 20.5
Strength: 7
Dexterity: 9
Celtic Dual: 4
Melee Damage: 4
Strength (Cap Increase): 5
Dexterity (Cap Increase): 6
Style Damage: 4
Utility: 30.7
TOA Utility: 62.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Neck (Goddess Necklace):
Imbue: 18.0
Strength: 9
Constitution: 9
Dexterity: 9
Body: 3%
Matter: 3%
Spirit: 3%
Armour Factor: 10
Utility: 36.0
TOA Utility: 10.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Cloak (Shades of Mist):
Imbue: 25.0
Strength: 15
Quickness: 15
Parry: 3
Stealth: 3
Armour Factor: 10
Melee Combat Speed: 5
Fatigue: 4
Utility: 50.0
TOA Utility: 43.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Jewel (Gem of Lost Memories):
Imbue: 18.5
Constitution: 10
ALL melee weapon skills: 2
Body: 4%
Matter: 4%
Hits: 24
Melee Damage: 2
Style Damage: 2
Utility: 38.7
TOA Utility: 20.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Belt (Began's Belt of Revenge):
Imbue: 18.0
Strength: 9
Dexterity: 9
ALL melee weapon skills: 3
Heat: 1%
Crush: 1%
Thrust: 1%
Slash: 1%
Strength (Cap Increase): 9
Dexterity (Cap Increase): 9
Hits (Cap Increase): 4
Utility: 35.0
TOA Utility: 37.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Left Ring (Leviathan Ring of the Deep):
Imbue: 30.5
Strength: 21
Constitution: 21
Dexterity: 21
Hits: 20
Strength (Cap Increase): 7
Melee Combat Speed: 3
Utility: 47.0
TOA Utility: 29.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Right Ring (Ring of Dances (stealther)):
Imbue: 26.0
Strength: 12
Dexterity: 12
Stealth: 3
Crush: 5%
Slash: 5%
Armour Factor: 10
Utility: 51.0
TOA Utility: 10.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Left Wrist (Bracer of Arawn):
Imbue: 38.5
Body: 6%
Heat: 7%
Matter: 6%
Spirit: 7%
Crush: 6%
Slash: 6%
Armour Factor: 1
Utility: 76.0
TOA Utility: 1.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Right Wrist (Bracer of Arawn):
Imbue: 38.5
Body: 6%
Heat: 7%
Matter: 6%
Spirit: 7%
Crush: 6%
Slash: 6%
Armour Factor: 1
Utility: 76.0
TOA Utility: 1.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

 

[partyanimal]

erm can u bp items twice?
hm not capped melee resist vs high af...
bah, enlight meh

 

[Fyric]

yes you can bp same item twice.

And id 100% go for template 2, not having som on stealther is just pointless

 

[Exarkun]

looking at template 2, does anyone see a way to improve it?