NICE relic raid attempt HIPPIES

[old.anubis]

ok, your memory is clear now?
what about the very first relic raid to alb power? it was completed at 5-6 pm

 

[old.lewstherin]

lets not forget 3 am relic raid vs hib str relic... or the 4 am RRs vs hib pwr relic a few times. Ur nighttime relic takes do outnumber ur primetime ones. Anubis its true u have done some primetime raids.. just not vs hib. Hibs took mid pwr relic primetime (novamirs raid) and tried dozens of primetime raids vs albs. Imo it saddens me that some hibs have started to do early raids. But pulling of a RR with maximum defenders online THAT is skill, I belive you agree dont u?

 

[old.anubis]

never use word "never". you said we never did i gave you two examples that you were wrong.

as for when to pull off rr it's up to you. we took alb relic some time ago at prime time, they came at 3 am and took it back. i had quite a few discussions about it on our guild board and you know what? i understood them. it's their right to attack whenever they want.
attack your enemies when they are weak!
like 10am, like world cup final, like 5am (tactics taken from albs), like new patch with new funny things, etc.
you yourself took third power relic just the day before patch with uber guards went live.
use all the advantage you can

 

[optical-]

Originally posted by old.anubis
yea, and hibs should remember raid leaded by sub, when he led us to wrong relic keep and we took this one. and this relic was held in dc for quite some time with mmg camped by all the hib population. that was done around 7 pm.
the fact is midgard pulled off more prime time relic raids than both albs and hibs together

Ye i still remember that logged on and relic was neutral. A little while after this we took str relics from albs at primetime.
The old mid alliance before the CE one always did primetime raids whilst the albs raided at 12-2 and still do...

Btw novas raid to take back the power relic from mids was 2am just before the patch. So who is the lame ones?

 

[Trinilim]

Originally posted by optical-

A little while after this we took str relics from albs at primetime.

primetime.. hmm.. 10am.. hmm..

yep, I've come to the conclusion that you're a grade A bullshitter.

 

[old.lewstherin]

same thing over and over and over again... I dont care when u take relics. I was just responding to the l33t nightime orginiser that was bragging about his skills taking relic at 3am. THERE IS NO SKILL INVOLVED TAKING A RELIC WHEN DEFENDERS ARENT LOGGEN ON MKAY? phew there I said it. I will try primetime u do when u want to I dont care ... just dont come here bragging bout your l33t skillz..

 

[Novamir]

if hibs stayed up late enough i'd always prefer to do a raid with the least possibility of defenders. it's common sense really.

 

[Trinilim]

Originally posted by old.lewstherin
same thing over and over and over again... I dont care when u take relics. I was just responding to the l33t nightime orginiser that was bragging about his skills taking relic at 3am. THERE IS NO SKILL INVOLVED TAKING A RELIC WHEN DEFENDERS ARENT LOGGEN ON MKAY? phew there I said it. I will try primetime u do when u want to I dont care ... just dont come here bragging bout your l33t skillz..

There's always skill in taking a relic. Whether there are defenders or not.

I mean, what if someone didn't bring rams?

I think that would be considered a skill.. (bringing rams that is).

And what if someone didn't keep watch for incoming defenders?

I think that'd be considered a skill..

What if people forgot that there were very big guards attacking their healers?

I think that'd be considered a skill..

As people have previously stated, it's a 24/7 game.

There's absolutely no shame or cowardice in stealing relics in the middle of the night.

Here's an analogy:

Night raid: You sneak into the sleeping house of a gang, take valuables, and sneak out without anyone noticing.

Day raid: You try to sneak into the house of a gang, but are shot 200 times before you come close.

Which do you think might be better.. go on.. I'll give you 5 minutes.. starting.. now.

 

[old.lewstherin]

Originally posted by Novamir
if hibs stayed up late enough i'd always prefer to do a raid with the least possibility of defenders. it's common sense really.

Well I take more pride in doing a raid when the other side has at least a fair chance to defend. I mean its a game not a war. RR usally turn out to be fun for both realms if its done primetime. But if u do it in the night knowing the other side is chanceless that imo is low. Its just a game. Lets all enjoy it?

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by old.lewstherin
same thing over and over and over again... I dont care when u take relics. I was just responding to the l33t nightime orginiser that was bragging about his skills taking relic at 3am. THERE IS NO SKILL INVOLVED TAKING A RELIC WHEN DEFENDERS ARENT LOGGEN ON MKAY? phew there I said it. I will try primetime u do when u want to I dont care ... just dont come here bragging bout your l33t skillz..

Does that mean there is a fuckload of skills in defending a relic in the middle of the night?

That would mean middies are super "l33t" as you put it.

And what about the hibbies, that FAILED several nighttime raids? Where do that put you?

 

[old.lewstherin]

Originally posted by noaim


Does that mean there is a fuckload of skills in defending a relic in the middle of the night?

That would mean middies are super "l33t" as you put it.

And what about the hibbies, that FAILED several nighttime raids? Where do that put you?

If u have properly read what I wrote I said "there is no skill if the defenders are not logged on". If mids are there in the middle of the night imo it counts as much for a valid Relic take as any else. When mids took hib pwr relic roughly 40 where logged on. And most of them where not lvl 50s even. Is there anything else u want to whine about noaim? But plz before u do can u read what other post a second time before u post kthx

 

[old.lewstherin]

And afaik hibbies have been really bad at producing 4 am raids where 20 mids are still logged on. Or have I missed something? Its not what time the relic raid is done Its when its done when the otherside HAS NO CHANCE OF EVEN DEFENDING it self that I really have a problem with.

 

[noaim]

Lol ok.

So what you say is, that if you had come to defend, we should have carried on, and it would be great, but if you didnt, we should have "Ok, all go back, they aint gonna defend, lets leave without taking the relics that we have the opportunity to take".

I am sure you would aswell lol.

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by old.lewstherin



If u have properly read what I wrote I said "there is no skill if the defenders are not logged on". If mids are there in the middle of the night imo it counts as much for a valid Relic take as any else. When mids took hib pwr relic roughly 40 where logged on. And most of them where not lvl 50s even. Is there anything else u want to whine about noaim? But plz before u do can u read what other post a second time before u post kthx

40 logged on, most not lvl 50?

I seem to remember we defended our relics with 3 runemasters once, 1 lvl 50, one low 40, and one high 30 lol.

Is it skills to fail against that? In the middle of the night I may add.

 

[optical-]

Originally posted by Trinilim


primetime.. hmm.. 10am.. hmm..

yep, I've come to the conclusion that you're a grade A bullshitter.

rofl you idiot im talking about months ago.

 

[shilak]

Trinilim, Optical is talking about the relic raid on Excalibur that recovered the Midgard Strength relic some months back, led by Killgorde and resulted in the relic leaving Excalibur at approx 22:00 GMT.

Jahar, you would not of got near Grallar keep, let alone knocked over the doors with such little company had it not been weakened by Midgard possessing 5 relics. At the end of the day when the Midgard defence arrived it was more than a match for you and your 'army'. And I believe that even if you hadnt let Censimilla take the relic it would not of got back to Hibernia.

In both the raids Ardamel organised there were enough Albs/Hibs on to prevent them from being successful but most chose not to act. Novamir led a raid in the small hours on Grallar with similar numbers to Ardamel's Dagda raid and failed. Hibs/Albs have tried several morning raids at the same time and with the same numbers as Ardamel's Excalibur raid and failed. The difference is that Mids DO drop what they are doing and come to defend in numbers.

 

[old.lewstherin]

Originally posted by noaim


40 logged on, most not lvl 50?

I seem to remember we defended our relics with 3 runemasters once, 1 lvl 50, one low 40, and one high 30 lol.

Is it skills to fail against that? In the middle of the night I may add.

That was a good defence. But we seem to discuss different things. What I just want to point out is that taking a relic during primetime take more skill than taking a relic not during primetime i.e low amount of defenders logged on. This isnt a whine against you noaim. It was just a response to the brag post made by your midde friend that claims to be uber l33t cuz he have taken 2 relics from undefended Relic Keep with a bigger force than hib even had logged on. Hib suck at nighttime raiding. And im glad we do. Because logging on next day and finding out your relic was robbed during night and there was nothing u or your realm m8s could have humanly could have done really lessens ur gaming expierience dont u think? And wouldnt u agree that running out to defend ur attacked relic gives the defender more fun too? PRIMETIME= JUST LOADS OF FUN. And the reward if u succed for taking a relic primetime is really much bigger. But once again.. maybe we play for different reasons.. I play for fun u maybe play to be uber l33t I dont know..

 

[old.lewstherin]

Originally posted by shilak
Trinilim, Optical is talking about the relic raid on Excalibur that recovered the Midgard Strength relic some months back, led by Killgorde and resulted in the relic leaving Excalibur at approx 22:00 GMT.

Jahar, you would not of got near Grallar keep, let alone knocked over the doors with such little company had it not been weakened by Midgard possessing 5 relics. At the end of the day when the Midgard defence arrived it was more than a match for you and your 'army'. And I believe that even if you hadnt let Censimilla take the relic it would not of got back to Hibernia.

In both the raids Ardamel organised there were enough Albs/Hibs on to prevent them from being successful but most chose not to act. Novamir led a raid in the small hours on Grallar with similar numbers to Ardamel's Dagda raid and failed. Hibs/Albs have tried several morning raids at the same time and with the same numbers as Ardamel's Excalibur raid and failed. The difference is that Mids DO drop what they are doing and come to defend in numbers.

No u are wrong because adramel had a larger force of mids gathered at one place than hibs all together logged on taking ALL KEEPS wihtout opposition. I mean adramal wouldnt even have came close to crim IF he was doing it when at least some hibs had been logged on. It wasnt that we didnt care. It was just that most of us where asleep. So knokcing over a relic keep prime time 5 relics or not IS still alot harder then just taking all keep without opposition and just walk into relic keep.. wouldnt you think? And tbh we had loads of time after door 3 was down. Censimilia screwed up... she wont next time. Believe me ur relics will be our soon any day now

 

[shilak]

Originally posted by old.lewstherin
What I just want to point out is that taking a relic during primetime take more skill than taking a relic not during primetime i.e low amount of defenders logged on.

Planning the raid and getting the force into position without the enemy finding out that a relic raid is in progress takes skill. Once people start bashing on the doors the level of skill required is minimal. Ardamel's last raid on Excalibur took great skill in organising an entire realm to take take keeps in Albion on the Friday evening and defend them through the night so that the Midgard forces could position themselves for the relic keep assault in the morning. Gathering up 24 rams and 112 people from the usual Emain hibbie zerg and getting to Grallar takes much less skill IMHO. Had you actually taken keeps (as is intended by Mythic) and not just zerged a weakened relic keep with rams you would of had a much harder job and much more enjoyment could of been had by all.

 

[shilak]

Originally posted by old.lewstherin
No u are wrong because adramel had a larger force of mids gathered at one place than hibs all together logged on taking ALL KEEPS wihtout opposition. I mean adramal wouldnt even have came close to crim IF he was doing it when at least some hibs had been logged on. It wasnt that we didnt care. It was just that most of us where asleep. So knokcing over a relic keep prime time 5 relics or not IS still alot harder then just taking all keep without opposition and just walk into relic keep.. wouldnt you think? And tbh we had loads of time after door 3 was down. Censimilia screwed up... she wont next time. Believe me ur relics will be our soon any day now

At least get your facts straight, they took the Hib relics with 5fg of 41+ after knocking over every keep in Hibernia. At the time their were 80ish non-anon Hibs online and approximately the same number of Mids, most of the relic raid force werent /anon. It took them 2 runs from Dagda to Grallar in order to get the relics safe, during that time 1-2fg of Hibbies showed up to defend. At the end of it almost every Mid was amazed they managed to get one relic out, let alone two and the entire raid took almost 3 hours from start to finish!
I have far more respect for any raid that involved keep taking prior to attacking the relic keep than any raid that went directly for the relic keep, no matter what the time was.

Note - Censimilia made the mistake of picking up the relic, but the raid leader screwed up by letting her leave the relic keep unguarded.

 

[old.lewstherin]

The fact that u have 5 relics makes ur relic keeps weaker (just as mythic intended). So why should I bother taking any keeps in this scenario? Tell me because I fail to understand. And about censimilia.... everyone was asking where she was and where she was heading... we where getting no responce.. so What can I do?

 

[shilak]

Its not meant to be possible to drop a relic keep before the defenders can physically make it to the keep, hence the change in the next few patches to only allow 3 rams per door. You had all three lvl10 doors down in under 10minutes using 7-8 rams per door, unless my GTAOE was telling lies.

As for the issue of Censimilia leaving the relic keep alone with the relic in their possession and how to avoid such things happening again, I am not going to aid your future raids be giving you ideas on how to avoid that happening next time.

BTW, the only reason for going directly for the relic keep is to reduce the number of defenders, the exact same reason why people plan raids for times when there are less people online.

 

[old.lewstherin]

PLZ giv me aid. Im really dying to know.
NOT:sleeping:
cu at relic soon..... PRIMETIME

 

[agreiloth]

BTW, the only reason for going directly for the relic keep is to reduce the number of defenders, the exact same reason why people plan raids for times when there are less people online.

shilak has a valid point there lews.... wether you like it or not..

 

[Novamir]

why do people keep referring to that raid that never was? we had like 2 rams and 5fg of hibs or something there was no way we could take a relic. but it was early hours and there was a hib zerg in emain. funny that it caused such a stink tho ;>

 

[Faeldawn]

Amusing to see that all alb players avoid relic related threads nowadays, wonder why?

 

[old.lewstherin]

Originally posted by agreiloth


shilak has a valid point there lews.... wether you like it or not..

Of course I take the good points into mind... I just dont give him credit for it mkay? =)

 

[Trinilim]

Originally posted by Faeldawn
Amusing to see that all alb players avoid relic related threads nowadays, wonder why?

Not really

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by shilak
BTW, the only reason for going directly for the relic keep is to reduce the number of defenders, the exact same reason why people plan raids for times when there are less people online.

Well. you got a point. but taking a relickeep packed with 100-200+ mids/hibs/albs I would say is pretty much impossible. you know that, I know that, everyone knows that. So, when doing a raid on a decent time of the day, you pretty much gotta hit straight on. But the realm then has atleast the chance to come defend and have fun. You pretty much don't, if there's only 50 sleeping zombies online. The chance that they can put up a decent defence are imho very slim.