NF or Old Froniters?

[Sagano]

nah then you finally got away from saying bullcrap too fast :kissit:

 

[Saggy]

yes very fotm setup not seen 1 activ grp like that on prydwen

Maybe it's you who should play more then?

 

[Sycho]

Yeah speaking how the game actually works is bullcrap.

Everytime mythic change something so will the players so the fotm stuff will always be there.Talk about the set fg stuff or whatever, doesn't change anything about this.

 

[CstasY]

Sagano you really are a thick fuck arnt you.

 

[Cylian]

Just wondering what people thought of NF, is it any better than the old frontiers?

Was it worth me quitting , or is NF the best add-on so far?

the new frontier layout is way better than the old one, but the ruleset isn't.
As an assassin, I have no clue what my job in this enviroment is.
In OF it was taking out casters, archers and support mostly, as well as watching and reporting enemy movement or giving groundtargets. Casters aren't exactly an option anymore, ToA and NF RR5 abilities took care of that. Archers ? Heh, Archers got more than enough tools to kill an assassin now, while the chance for an assassin to get of their CS styles dramatically dropped. Support is still viable, just that there's always some very bored tank around who'd rather run through half the frontier than skipping on a chance to swing at something. Well, not like the tank would matter, but the scout army behind every damn stone does.
Reporting enemy movements isn't as essential as it used to be anymore, the realmwar map does that now. Groundtargets, hmm, how should I give a groundtarget if I can't get into a damn keep anymore ?
Yesterday at Bledmeer I had to fight my way through 6 NPC Nightshades just to get far enough to see the Hibs in there because there's just no climbspots on those keeps anymore. There's even keeps with just a single climbspot ...
Otherwise it's just zergs, zergs and more zergs.
So currently, I just don't see where I fit into this New Frontier.

 

[Sagano]

its not because a grp has a fotm char in it that its a fotm setup
if fotm setups still exist why does everyone run different setups these days ?

maybe becoz they made every damn char fotm ? and if everything is fotm so its not really fotm anymore right ?

cmon just before toa on midgard you could get a grp as a savage/skald/seer
maybe if you were a warrior and got into a fixed grp becoz THOSE were the fotm classes and THAT was the fotm setup

if its still like that why on earth do i suddenly see tanks,casters and hybrids ?
i even see thanes in mid rvr grps now oO

if they are all fotm there isnt much fotm to it .

and im out there everyday so i do know what alb grps i see saggy and 90%+ has atleast 1 tank in it

and sycho has enough brains to defend himself he doesnt need other people calling me retard as help

 

[Saggy]

and im out there everyday so i do know what alb grps i see saggy and 90%+ has atleast 1 tank in it

Sorry, the main word supposed to be random, not (caster ) which I added to highlight the fact that group based on melee-damage simply doesn't work -> there is a non-fotm groups -> there has to be fotm groups too ;o

if fotm setups still exist why does everyone run different setups these days ?

Seen plenty of Alb groups around with the setup I posted above and people used to run different setups pre-ToA too (Wizzie, Cabby, SM, BM etc.) - the groups you could call "non-fotm".

if its still like that why on earth do i suddenly see tanks,casters and hybrids ?
i even see thanes in mid rvr grps now oO

Put it in other way - why dont you see Savage/Seer/Skald groups anymore (haven't seen any in NF)? Because its not a fotm setup? Maybe you see tanks, casters and hybrids because that's the fotm?

 

[Ilum]

Since New Frontiers, hybrids have become a lot better compared to pure tanks due to them getting strong realm abilities while pure tanks got a major nerf on determination.

The gap between a twinked high realm rank character is much larger than it used to be - high realm rank chars can afford 2-3 very good ra's on short timers.

Class is not so important any more, because realm abilities, equipment and master levels is for many people now the majority of the utility their character offers to a group.

 

[Sagano]

if they are all fotm there isnt much fotm to it .

if they were so many other classes running pre toa and they did well the term fotm would never been invented or used its just there because certain classes and/or grpsetup made a big difference compared to other ones

people roll and reroll so they can win thats what makes the fotm
so like i said there is still fotm classes but i dont see entire guilds rerolling their grp yes they try some other classes ( which most had sleeping from early daoc days ) becoz they finally become viable ( yes those casters become fotm for example ) but i dont see guilds rerolling and relevelling like ive seen them do in the past just to get that one wtfpwning setup they believe in
ive seen shitloads of zerkers quit and ive seen lots of guildgrps reroll everything to savagesetup
i dont see that right now , i see alot of fotm classes yes but those perfectsetupscrewalltheothersclassesandspecs-dayz are over

if you want to call 1 setup fotm you have to call them all fotm because there is alot more diversity now then pretoa and like i said when everything becomes fotm it isnt fotm anymore ...

 

[Ilum]

other stuff can be fotm about a group aside from the exact class composition tho

 

[Saggy]

ive seen shitloads of zerkers quit and ive seen lots of guildgrps reroll everything to savagesetup
i dont see that right now , i see alot of fotm classes yes but those perfectsetupscrewalltheothersclassesandspecs-dayz are over

Seen shitloads of offensive tanks quit and seen guilds rerolling everything for body-damage group.

if you want to call 1 setup fotm you have to call them all fotm because there is alot more diversity now then pretoa and like i said when everything becomes fotm it isnt fotm anymore ...

Pre-ToA group based on magic-damage, group based on melee-damage and group based on both were doing well - can you say the same thing now? And please make up your mind - first there is fotm classes and 2sec later there isnt? Oo

people roll and reroll so they can win thats what makes the fotm
so like i said there is still fotm classes but i dont see entire guilds rerolling their grp yes they try some other classes ( which most had sleeping from early daoc days ) becoz they finally become viable ( yes those casters become fotm for example ) but i dont see guilds rerolling and relevelling like ive seen them do in the past just to get that one wtfpwning setup they believe in

So how do you explain why one of the well known Mid/Pryd guilds dumbed one Savage and got his Zerker (Banelord) instead and one of the Savages rerolled a Runemaster if it wasn't for making a wtfpwning setup they believe in? (dont know the exact group setup they have but bet there is more changes than that)

Suppose it all depends on how you look at things - for you it may be essential to have excatly the same amount of x classes in group to make it fotm, all I'm interested in is the way damage is dealt ;o

Oh, fotm=favourite/flavour of the month, not "ze only and far superior group setup".

 

[Sagano]

most grps only changed 1 or 2 classes and didnt even reroll just got old chars out of the closet which is a BIG difference to the sudden zerker drop and massive savage amount just pretoa

back then it DID influence ALL grp setups even random ones coz everyone had (a) savage(s)

do you see that now ? i see same amounts of wizzies and cabas yes but i dont see every grp with fire wizzes and/or cabas
just like every midgardian guildgroup has a different setup with a much wider range of classes then pre toa

maybe you albs are getting the savage evolution like we had just before toa but it sure as hell aint like that in midgard never seen so many different setups as it is now and it cant get any better coz every damn class is in use atm

and i see the same in albion grps , the times of not getting a grp becoz you dont fit in the *fotm-setup* are over imho people work with what they have now coz as soon as there is a fotm-setup everyone starts making something that is exactly the same or close to it and all the rest that doesnt fit in gets rejected

 

[Saggy]

most grps only changed 1 or 2 classes and didnt even reroll just got old chars out of the closet which is a BIG difference to the sudden zerker drop and massive savage amount just pretoa

You haven't noticed the massive Savage drop? Haven't been hitted by one for ages. Besides, it doesn't matter if you roll a fotm-class or use already made one, its still fotm which was the point, right? Basically we should see shitloads of Healer, Healer, Healer, Shammy, Skald, Savage, Savage and random (remember, that used to be the fotm and they only changed 1-2 classes ;o) groups according to what you have said - haven't seen a single one.

maybe you albs are getting the savage evolution like we had just before toa but it sure as hell aint like that in midgard never seen so many different setups as it is now and it cant get any better coz every damn class is in use atm

I'm not talking about a single fotm class, I'm talking about fotm-groups which are the ones I stated in my first post (cold, heat and body damage groups). Besides, Zerker was perfectly viable pre-ToA even though Savage was overpowered - keep in mind that Albs never had such an overpowered class ^^ Anyway, agreed to some point, people are using more different group-setups than pre-ToA - some of them are more pupular -> fotm ;o

and i see the same in albion grps , the times of not getting a grp becoz you dont fit in the *fotm-setup* are over imho people work with what they have now coz as soon as there is a fotm-setup everyone starts making something that is exactly the same or close to it and all the rest that doesnt fit in gets rejected

Trust me, each and every class doesn't fit in each and every group in Alb and would be very surprised if its differend in Mid/Hib. We, who didn't fit in the old det-tank-fotm-group, used to form our own balanced groups around our abilities (and looks like people have finally realized this is the right way...)- still didn't change the fact that Det-tank-group was more pupular -> fotm ;o

Battlemaster is very powerfull MA-line, maybe even overpowered, but it looks like people dont bother using it. Why? What you need BG/Grapple for if there isn't anyone to BG against or Grapple? When that happens what would you think is the fotm and what isnt?

To back my writing up:

Oh, fotm=favourite/flavour of the month, not "ze only and far superior group setup".

We aren't talking about the same thing, right? Keep on talking "about your chinese food", I'm signing off from this conversation.

 

[Sagano]

im talking about fotmsetup from start and other people started pulling classes to it why should fotmsetup be linked with fotmclasses ? nobody runs with archers or assassins do they ? bit silly to link then

anyway at the end of the discussion i still havent seen that fotm setup where more then 2 alb grps run with ...

aquen gave me one tho yesterday : 8x scout

 

[Foadon]

8x scout

u can instakill any fg if played right they would rox pryd :E

 

[Vaskez_TheCleric]

Imo Nf is only for rr1-3 to zerg and be happy ... I liked when a hibbie peps said that he got 4k rp in 3 hours lol man ... i am happy tho that i see many ppl complaining about NF and happy that many good rvr peps stoped Daoc as me
Toa nerfed RVR a bit ... when every1 got artis and done ml9 game balanced a lot .. now with NF nerfing is 100%
Saw many games , daoc have the best rvr part but not anymore ...



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Vaskez rr5L5 cleric ML10
RETIRED cause of fecking NF