NF doesnt have to suck

[Hamro]

Well we all know what the yanks are experiencing, useless tanks. a massive zergfest killing the same ppl all over, where skills doesnt count, its inevitable(sp?) that we think if this'll be the same, but i would say that it is in our hands to decide how its gonna turn out, if we all go and roll fotm casters ofc there will be no tanks but if the ppl who play melee classes keep on doing that it doesnt have to bring a change. we all know the americans play daoc a little different, if we all continue fg vs fg fights it wont be a zerg vs zerg

think about it

 

[harebear]

I think the think is that casters/archers are gonna be really powerful with NF, so of course alot of people will go play them which unbalances things. If everyone kept with the same sorta groups we use now then yea it wouldnt get all zergy. But have you seen the size of the keeps etc? oO running from one side to the other to hit some caster with your sword.. in that time he coulda killed you twice Even saying that im still gonna play my skald in NF, soloing looks like it might be fun with the new layout etc.

 

[Sulphur]

Yeah can really see albs doing that

 

[Tualatin]

yup, albs won't stop.. what else can mids whine about then?

 

[harebear]

Theres always time for a DF whine!

 

[cougar]

daoc will be so boring for albs without amg

 

[harebear]

tihihihiihi

 

[Turbo]

This is what is more than likely to happen when NF hits Excal:

The relics are reset.
Quite randomly one realm will hit another, pretty much just depends on who logs on first I guess, and attack a keep. More people log on, from all 3 realms, sooner or later they find the /rw and see the burning keep. That's where the action is, everyone knows that and start heading that way.
This period is alot of fun, stragglers/groups/zergs everywhere, lost of action and if you die you just port right back out and keep killing. The rp flow is concistent, most people get more rps than ever before. Everyone thinks NF rocks!

Except for the realm taking the heat of course(hibs more often than not, since everyone is just so used to fighting in emain) they will soon find out that fighting 2 enemies at the same time isn't possible. The other 2 realms will soon take keeps, they get porting options, which means that even though you kill some of them they will be back, fully buffed, within 5 minutes. In a matter of hours/days relics change hands.

Soon everyone finds out how the /rw and the porting works, which means fewer stragglers/groups and larger zergs. The largest realm, most likely albion judging from relic status on US servers, will attack the other realm with relics. The third realm, the one with no relics will add, because /rw shows the action is now in the second realms frontier.
Eventually the largest realm will win, simply because they have more people. NF is all about the numbers, that's indisputable.

Once the largest realm has all the relics, RvR starts dieing. Taking a relic is really hard, hell even taking a single keep is hard, against a larger force it's damn near impossible. Don't forget, even if you kill them, they will be back in 5 minutes tops. So the other 2 realms slowly give up, you get tired of 5-10-15 hours of keep fighting. The sense of purpose you felt from attacking/defending relics starts to fade.

So you figure even without relics you can take your group out and find some good fights and get some rp's. You run around a few hours, trying to find some of those 8v8 or even 8v16 that you used to love. Guess what, NF is really big, 12 zones with lots of underwater areas, higher ground, keeps and towers, all seemingly designed to keep you from seeing those few other single groups running around. And god damn, you can't even use your radar anymore
You find yourself missing the emain loop, you can't go to DF cause the largest realm has had it since 2 days from release. You figure you might as well take a tower, BOOM there's the alb zerg starving for some action. You try to defend, but know you'll loose as every time you kill one he'll be back in 5 mins tops, most likely with a friend. You get lots of rps, but they give you little satisfaction and hardly weighs up for the whines from your tanks and healers who are bored out their mind.

You whine a bit on the boards, maybe even send in a feedback, realise it's futile so you curse Mythic for ruining a great game and pray to god you'll get in on the WoW beta

 

[Jpeg[LOD]]

as sum1 said in another thread NF will be what we make of it. if we go for the keep siege mentality which most yanks seem to have portraied it then thats what it will be...


if we as a server try make it more open and have groups roaming around then there will still be a lot of good rvr.

kinda like the low rr's will all zerg the keeps (all realms) and the higher rr's will roam different zones or boundarys near where a keep siege is and then attack the groups inc to the keep sieges.

 

[Aloca]

What people seems to miss also is that there is loads of people that enjoy large scale rvr. Cant have the shitties computer then tho.
The way the RvR guilds think they are better players and people irl just becouse they run around in FG is actualy quite funny. Anyone that doesnt fall into the line of running FG is a non existant worthy guy/girl.
If you are in the rvr zones and add on these fgs your are so going to get flamed for the next hours and they will tell you that you should quit game becouse you dont know how to play.

maybe NF will change how RvR works, but maybe the majority of the roleplayers, pve freaks etc is just doing those things instead of rvr atm just becouse they disslike how you get treated if you dont like fg fighting. NF is their time to shine.
If you havent noticed there is only like 40-50 realy active rvr players in each realm, the other 700 in each realm doesnt rvr atm for diffrent reasons.

 

[Turbo]

NF is definitely made for the casual player, no doubt about it, that's why as far as MLF goes most gank groups left a long time ago, either for Mordred or they /cancelled.

If you read VN boards though you'll notice that most threads aren't about power gamers vs casual gamers anymore, they are generally dominated by two realms whining about a third realm.
You see, even though the majority of the active daoc players probably prefer large scale RvR, I don't think anyone likes to lose. And in a game where numbers is EVERYTHING, two of the realms are going to lose. As a result some people will stop playing, and so making it even harder for the ones left. Eventually the strongest realm will be the only one left RvR'ing (check out Merlin RvR boycott) and where's the fun in that.

This is what happens on MLF right now, and if you didn't already know, MLF was considered one of the best balanced servers pre NF.

 

[Calo]

What <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=people&v=56">people</a> seems to miss also is that there is loads of <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=people&v=56">people</a> that enjoy large scale rvr. Cant have the shitties <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=computer&v=56">computer</a> then tho.
The way the RvR guilds think they are better players and <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=people&v=56">people</a> irl just becouse they run around in FG is actualy quite funny. Anyone that doesnt fall into the line of running FG is a non existant worthy guy/girl.
If you are in the rvr zones and add on these fgs your are so going to get flamed for the next hours and they will tell you that you should quit game becouse you dont know how to play.

maybe NF will change how RvR works, but maybe the majority of the roleplayers, pve freaks etc is just doing those things instead of rvr atm just becouse they disslike how you get treated if you dont like fg fighting. NF is their <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=time&v=56">time</a> to shine.
If you havent noticed there is only like 40-50 realy active rvr players in each realm, the other 700 in each realm doesnt rvr atm for diffrent reasons.

the simple reason is because 80% of the ppl (well on midgard) doesnt have toa completed and dont have a uber temp already...

 

[Flimgoblin]

the gank groups won't get to pwn everyone but there is still room for fg fights and tanks - just have to leave the zerg and the keep behind - go camp a bridge or a landing zone, or patrol the area between two keeps.... go hit a tower deep in the enemy territory, light some fires, get some fight out there.

Wait till after the 7 day suspension runs out and I'm sure the VN whines about how people are quitting will die down somewhat

Oh and for the record current RvR sucks - NF can't exactly make things any worse.

 

[Chasm]

Calo if ur havin probs with ntsearch linking words to their search engine, goto www.ntsearch.com then user policies and at the bottom theres a thing that uninstalls the spyware.