never said he claimed that cheap 600w is better than good 450w. i had a feeling that chronic actually thinks avarage computers (the rigs in first post) actually uses 600w+ which i was right about and wanted to show that isn't the case and tried to show what sort of extreme rig is needed to make computer use ~600w. the more wattage psu handles the more likely it has good enough rails and thats' why manufactorers tend to recommend big ones instead of going into details which would confuse customers. and now i do see their point so i have to take back my recommends and instead i recommend everyone to go for 500w+ psu regardless of their rig just to be sure and to save from worrying about it.Naffets said:
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actually chronic said that the minimum for the rig you quoted was 480w and the whole point of getting a 600w was so you dont need to upgrade it every time you make a new rig, but you seem adament that he should go cheap and have to fork out more on his next upgrade or 2Szape said:
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You also didnt say 500w when you quoted me, if you did i wouldnt have argued the point.
You said 350w, which is plain wrong if you are using sli.
You didnt test a 350w PSU, you tested a 390w one.. If you test a 350w tagan on sli (if its even possible) for example, i will stand corrected.
As it is, your test doesnt proove anything other than a higher than 350w psu can run a sli setup
a quick search, and i cant even find a sli compliant 350w PSU on OCuk with a repuatble brand, so you wont even be able to plug in 2 gfx cards with one if this is true, nullifying your whole argument
You said 350w, which is plain wrong if you are using sli.
You didnt test a 350w PSU, you tested a 390w one.. If you test a 350w tagan on sli (if its even possible) for example, i will stand corrected.
As it is, your test doesnt proove anything other than a higher than 350w psu can run a sli setup
a quick search, and i cant even find a sli compliant 350w PSU on OCuk with a repuatble brand, so you wont even be able to plug in 2 gfx cards with one if this is true, nullifying your whole argument
you said your previous rig required 600w+, no?Chronictank said:
can't get hold of any good 350w psu's, the smallest good one that i found with quick search is 430w antec neoHe. antec truepower 380w isnt' "sli compliant" yet it has no problems with running sli/cf.
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And if there is problems, you send them the error report with both cards, guess what they will do?
They will simply say remove one of the cards and try again as the psu is not sli compliant
non-sli psu's dont come with the second pci-x power cable do they?, i have never owned a non-sli compliant one that is not modular before so cant comment
Either way we arent furthering the discussion so let people decide on both cases on their own, 380w isnt 350w so the jury is out. I see no need to continue discussing this as we have saida ll that needs to be said and are going in circles now
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read on the justification behind it....Szape said:
i had 350 watt psu, and based on a recommendation by DFI saying i should get a 600w one from their compatibility list.
Its getting a little boring repeating things so this will be my last post on the matter because you are just trying to change the subject from the fact you still havent proven a 350 w psu can run a sli, c2d setup. Furthermore you dont have the means to do so, so this is a futile argument
i asked a direct question and got a direct answer - you thought your rig used 600w because "dfi said so". my imagination isn't good enough to find your point in your posts it seems, guess its too hard to say "well, my old 350w wasn't enough for my old rig so i bought 600w one because dfi recommended it. no idea how much either of my rigs use or used though", which was your point, right?Chronictank said:
never intended to prove that; i did prove that both rigs in starting post doesn't use even 350w, i did recommend 430w for sli/cf and i said 350w psu wouldn't of be enough for your old rig. the + behind 600w in your first post means that 600w is the minimum one should go for which i countered with 350w+; if you had said ~600w i wouldn't of said anything.Chronictank said:
oh, i can get hold of 3rd party psu that is labelled with 350w but actually that label is the only difference to my 380w truepower; does that count?
<- one more reason why manufactorers psu recommends are always way too high.sensible rig = 350w+
sli/cf = 430w+
extreme = 600w+
guess that's something we can agree with? (for 430w check antec neohe's specs, say it wont run either of your rigs and i will call you a fool
)Fortron 350w (which aint all that good brand really) could handle ~405w (which i achieved by using lamps ) before going down and ran [ 175 (needs more power than c2d) | 1gb | dfi sli-dr | 7900gt @ sli | etc ] nice and smoothly. getting two more 350w psu's for testing this week but dont see the point in testing them out anymore so going to practice modding or something. i must say ~400w for that fortron was a surprise since its rather old model with sucky 70% power efficiency so i wasn't expecting even 350w.
) before going down and ran [ 175 (needs more power than c2d) | 1gb | dfi sli-dr | 7900gt @ sli | etc ] nice and smoothly. getting two more 350w psu's for testing this week but dont see the point in testing them out anymore so going to practice modding or something. i must say ~400w for that fortron was a surprise since its rather old model with sucky 70% power efficiency so i wasn't expecting even 350w.