new begginings, scout questions

[Jeros]

new begginings.

i rolled a scout, and im gonna autotrain bow to 48 (hell if gonna go thru the grind again im gonna make it worth it).

but i need to know how much extra points this will give me so i can enter it on catas char builder, and if i respec can they be moved to other spec lines?

one more thing, 50 bow, worth it or not?

 

[Reno]

Autotraining 1 skill to 48 gives you 77 extra points to play with.

Danita

 

[Jeros]

Autotraining 1 skill to 48 gives you 77 extra points to play with.

Danita

wheeeeeeeee its gonna rock

 

[Aoln]

Hope scouts don't become the new fotm infs

 

[Jeros]

Hope scouts don't become the new fotm infs

i hope not too, look what happend to mincers :/

 

[Shanaia]

Hope scouts don't become the new fotm infs

I'm sooooo afraid of this ... scouts will become new fotm and then get hit left and right by the nerfbow (even worse then the nerfbat)

 

[Lejemorder]

i thought u allready was hurt by the nerfbow

 

[Jeros]

I'm sooooo afraid of this ... scouts will become new fotm and then get hit left and right by the nerfbow (even worse then the nerfbat)

lol is there any class i can play that wont be form at some point

ps. whats that bow in ur avatar?

 

[Bullitt]

Fools Bow artifact.

 

[Shanaia]

i thought u allready was hurt by the nerfbow

I rolled just after the really heavy nerfs so I really never experienced what effect the nerfbow had... but I know right now that we are on the border of being underpowered ... the new RA's might make us look better then we are and then if there is to many of a class standard Mythic operating procedure is to nerf the feck out of that class

I can just see all the Shadowblades and shades gloating now ... "more scouts more fresh meat for our blades"


And to answer your original question ... 50 bow worth it... I'm probably the wrong person to ask since I'm very happy with my 30 longbow but even if you wanna go "high bow" I would recommend 45 at most ... the damagedifference between 45 and 50 is minimal (hell it's tiny between 30 and 50) and you really need the points to get some credibility in melee...

 

[Lejemorder]

the only reason for going 45 or 50 bow will be Rapid fire (RF2 at 45), sure shot (45 bow) and vollye (4 at 45 and 5 at 50).
I dont think it r worth going 50 bow.

 

[Dwali]

the only reason for going 45 or 50 bow will be Rapid fire (RF2 at 45), sure shot (45 bow) and vollye (4 at 45 and 5 at 50).
I dont think it r worth going 50 bow.

my old Scout was 50 bow and hade a dmg cap of 1029 to enemies...but its up to the player but i liked PA 3 when u get that at 50...was np shooting through bt sometimes..so in my point of view go 50 bow..if u don´t like it u can always respec and lower bow

 

[enigma]

It's a matter of preference. I like high bow and there is a significant difference in damage from 30 to 50, it's laughable to claim otherwise and I have been both. And it's more significant than going from say 21 thrust to 50 thrust.

There's not that much reason to go 50 melee with a scout, and the scouts speclines and specpoints give more reason to go higher bow than 30.

There's a balance though.

 

[Shanaia]

It's a matter of preference. I like high bow and there is a significant difference in damage from 30 to 50, it's laughable to claim otherwise and I have been both. And it's more significant than going from say 21 thrust to 50 thrust.

There's not that much reason to go 50 melee with a scout, and the scouts speclines and specpoints give more reason to go higher bow than 30.

There's a balance though.

I'm not saying there is no significant damage difference between 30 and 50 bow .. I'm just saying it's way way smaller then you'd expect ... my cap on crit is 964 (admitted at rr5) that is not a whole lot less then the 10xx I use to hit when I was still 50 bow...

And I think it's laughable to claim there is no point in going high melee (altough you speak of 50 melee which I agree is to far) but I AM 50 shield (and 34 thrust) making me a lot tougher in Melee then a lot of people would expect... and talk about balance ... for that gain in melee survivability yes I (happily) traded away some bow damage

 

[Thegreatest]

Just listen to Shanaia imo

 

[Shanaia]

<huggles Thegreatest>

:wub:

 

[Jeros]

ok heres my spec ideas

45 bow
42 shield
35 thrust
30 shield

or

50 bow
42 shield
29 thrust
29 stealth

what do ya think? personly i would like 50 bow for the (little) extra dmg and bt penatrator(sp)

 

[Ormorof]

nerf that scouts auto bow and hunters dont

 

[Shanaia]

ok heres my spec ideas

45 bow
42 shield
35 thrust
30 shield (think you mean stealth)

or

50 bow
42 shield
29 thrust
29 stealth

what do ya think? personly i would like 50 bow for the (little) extra dmg and bt penatrator(sp)

Very much option a since the couple extra points in thrust will make a bigger difference then the couple extra points in bow ... also the 34 thrust style = sweet for when you get the evade chain off

Don't forget A. penetrating arrow gives you a CHANCE to penetrate the bladeturn ... B. it only penetrates pulsing (group) bladeturn not the bladeturn casters cast on themself.

 

[Chimaira]

50 shield m8s!11

 

[Shanaia]

50 shield m8s!11

Don't have to tell me Chimp

 

[enigma]

I'm not saying there is no significant damage difference between 30 and 50 bow .. I'm just saying it's way way smaller then you'd expect ... my cap on crit is 964 (admitted at rr5) that is not a whole lot less then the 10xx I use to hit when I was still 50 bow...

And I think it's laughable to claim there is no point in going high melee (altough you speak of 50 melee which I agree is to far) but I AM 50 shield (and 34 thrust) making me a lot tougher in Melee then a lot of people would expect... and talk about balance ... for that gain in melee survivability yes I (happily) traded away some bow damage

It's not JUST about the critdamage. The point is your variance and weaponskill. An archer with 2000+ weaponskill will hit much closer to his full damage potential than you will. Why do you think that it was only the high RR zerkers that used to do really stupid damage with high growthrate styles? That was because their weaponskill combined with good positional styles > high AF/absorb armour.

Don't forget A. penetrating arrow gives you a CHANCE to penetrate the bladeturn ... B. it only penetrates pulsing (group) bladeturn not the bladeturn casters cast on themself.

This is wrong. Penetrating Arrow 1 gives you 50% of your damage for a shot against a PBT target(or a target who has got single BT from someone else). PA 2 gives you 75% damage, and PA 3 gives you 100% damage, which means normal damage. PA will not affect any PBT that the caster(theurgist, runemaster or warden) has casted on himself nor any of the self BT that any of the listcasters have cast on themselves. It will go through everything else though.

 

[Shanaia]

It's not JUST about the critdamage. The point is your variance and weaponskill. An archer with 2000+ weaponskill will hit much closer to his full damage potential than you will. Why do you think that it was only the high RR zerkers that used to do really stupid damage with high growthrate styles? That was because their weaponskill combined with good positional styles > high AF/absorb armour.

Where did I say it was JUST the critdamage? I _know_ I do less damage then a 50 or 45 longbow scout ... I know I will have larger variance in my damage ... but I will keep repeating that it's not near as big a variance or not near as much less as people think. (And as it should be to be honest with my 30 bow I should hit for crap... but I don't I regularly 2 shot casters etc)

Don't put words in my mouth k?

This is wrong. Penetrating Arrow 1 gives you 50% of your damage for a shot against a PBT target(or a target who has got single BT from someone else). PA 2 gives you 75% damage, and PA 3 gives you 100% damage, which means normal damage. PA will not affect any PBT that the caster(theurgist, runemaster or warden) has casted on himself nor any of the self BT that any of the listcasters have cast on themselves. It will go through everything else though.

Sure ... play an archer ... find out ... or read this

30 Penetrating Arrow I - Chance to penetrate bladeturn for 50% damage
40 Penetrating Arrow II - Chance to penetrate bladeturn for 75% damage
50 Penetrating Arrow III - Chance to penetrate bladeturn for 100% damage

Notice the word "chance"?

Just giving mister topicstarter all the facts mate ... not saying full bow is crap or no bow is crap ... so mellow out

 

[enigma]

Where did I say it was JUST the critdamage? I _know_ I do less damage then a 50 or 45 longbow scout ... I know I will have larger variance in my damage ... but I will keep repeating that it's not near as big a variance or not near as much less as people think. (And as it should be to be honest with my 30 bow I should hit for crap... but I don't I regularly 2 shot casters etc)

Don't put words in my mouth k?

I'm not saying there is no significant damage difference between 30 and 50 bow .. I'm just saying it's way way smaller then you'd expect ... my cap on crit is 964 (admitted at rr5) that is not a whole lot less then the 10xx I use to hit when I was still 50 bow...

Sorry, but you never mentioned anything else than your cap damage. Anyway, who doesn't cap on a caster with no shields up? I'm talking about other players too. Do you only shoot at casters? No support etc?

Sure ... play an archer ... find out ... or read this

Notice the word "chance"?

Just giving mister topicstarter all the facts mate ... not saying full bow is crap or no bow is crap ... so mellow out

Sure...play an archer... find out... or read.

What the hell have you been doing while playing your archer? Been asleep? And yes, you should read properly.

Follow your own advice fgs:

30 Penetrating Arrow I - Chance to penetrate bladeturn for 50% damage
40 Penetrating Arrow II - Chance to penetrate bladeturn for 75% damage
50 Penetrating Arrow III - Chance to penetrate bladeturn for 100% damage

And finally... The reason they added 'chance' was that there is a small ‰ chance for bladeturn to actually turn it, but it certainly isn't the 50%, 75% and 100% figures you speak of.

 

[Shanaia]

Follow your own advice fgs:

And finally... The reason they added 'chance' was that there is a small ‰ chance for bladeturn to actually turn it, but it certainly isn't the 50%, 75% and 100% figures you speak of.

Figures I speak off?...

Where do I say it is 50% 75% or 100% chance to penetrate it?

A. penetrating arrow gives you a CHANCE to penetrate the bladeturn

Hmm not there ... oh wait .. I never did .. I merely pointed out that even with 50 longbow you only have a CHANCE to penetrate it ... it's not a given fact that you will penetrate them. And when I was 50 longbow (I was for about 300k rp's) I noticed I hardly ever did penetrate it... hence me adding the word "chance"

Again ... mellow mate... and please stop suggesting I said stuff I didn't... _read_ I admit (gladly) I am not doing the bowdamage I used to do at 50 ... I agree with you ffs

fight me at the points I make not at the points you seem to make up along the way

 

[enigma]

Ok. A simple misunderstanding then. Consider me mellowed. Sorry 'bout that.

It's still not what you think if you blame the PA for not penetrating BT's. What you hit was the self BT of the casters as PBT no longer overwrites selfBT. The chance to not penetrate a BT/PBT cast on someone else is overwhelmingly small, if any at all. Noone has blamed mythic for posting 100% accurate notes. You'll still practically go through the PBT cast on supportclasses every time though. I know I do.

 

[Thegreatest]

So in short:

1. Its not worth going high bow for the PA because the TS wanted a new solo class because he was bored of his minstrel/he thinks that minstrels are nerfed (afaik, read his other topic).
2. A solo scout is usually gonna shoot at other solo players
3. It doesnt penetrate any form of self bt, thus it won't penetrate any bladeturn from solo players.
4. Conclusion: PA is almost useless.... (for the TS at least)

No I haven't played a high lvl archer but anyone with some common sense can come to the same conclusion as I do...

Here is proof that Jeros wants a solo class

right thats it afriad, i never wanted to do this but /reroll, im just no that much fan of grps.

and i dont fancy soloing with no decent defencive ras

 

[Aoln]

Never had pbt block my PA since patch tbh, or never really noticed it so can't be a small chance to pierce pbt :x
As for self cast bt, the chance used to be 0.02% (or something xE), don't think it's changed

Also Shanaia, give duel to test what it's like fighting against 50 shield/higher thrust :O

 

[Shanaia]

Also Shanaia, give duel to test what it's like fighting against 50 shield/higher thrust :O

I'd be honered

 

[gervaise]

50 shield was mentioned above.

There was a very active discussion on various Scout forum about not bothering with weapon damage at all and going full shield.

Your weapon damage will be nothing to write home about. If it comes down to a melee situation you are hoping to get a slam off, probably run through as you change weapon, /face and fire. Having 50 shield will increase your chance of pulling this off.

As far as bow damage goes once you factor in fumbles, misses, blade turn and various other oddities - not least the damage +/- depending on arrow type - the difference between 50 and whatever bow spec reduces greatly - and all the bow benefits come 'at a cost'.

Can't have scouts being able to kill other bods now after all .....