Need advice from high level armsmen/pallys/mercs! (infiltrators too)

[old.Carnak]

Hi
I was wondering if i should change to slash with my armsman when respec comes or should i stay on thrust? I have a strength of over 110 at level 17 and a dex of 70. I have heard different opinions and was wondering if any high level fighters could help me out. Some people say the 15% bonus isnt worth it, i would do more damage to chain with slash anyway, and others say i will kill leather and cloth wearers in 2 hits anyway so thrust is the better choice. I would really appreciate any help on this.

I have a second thing i need help with, which is speccing my infiltrator. He's level 8 and not specced in either slash or thrust yet. When i started him i put 10 points into dex, quick and consti and now im wondering again slash or thrust? Thrust would be good because of the massive dex but slash good vs my primary targets (leather/cloth wearers). Any advice? (started same thread on old Goa forums but got no convincing arguments for either slash or thrust).

Thanks in advance for the help

 

[tilde]

Go for crush if u're low on dex - thrust is dex-based and crush is str-based. Do NOT go for slash unless u never visit Emain (u get awful to-hit bonus)

 

[old.Carnak]

I thought that...

thrust was dex/str based not just dex. So the thrust bonus vs chain isnt worth the damage reduction through my low dex, right?
oh and to what does crush get the small bonus (5%)?

Thanks for the advice

 

[tilde]

u could itemize up your dex of course - if u have chosen a highlander means that they got lower dex-cap than briton i.e so u it doesnt really matter that much.

thrust- do most dmg in RvR vs other tanks, has some negative vs softer material

crush- its pretty overall around -5/+5% on all materials

I think u can do quite well on both skills, if u go polearm i would recommend thrust - u doesnt have that many good non-opening skills as 1h-thrust.

Just give it a thought and if u're bored check the vn-boards

 

[old.Carnak]

I am a highlander and i have polearms maxed, but im not sure wether the 15% bonus vs chain will negate or even outdamage slash or crush due to my low dex. Its now either crush or thrust as i dont want the malus on chain that u get from slash (mages will be dead in 2 swings no matter what).

If anyone could give me the formula for working out damage i would really appreciate it so i can see which would do more damage, crush or thrust. I could also use that to see if its slash or thrust for my infiltrator.

Thanks again

 

[tilde]

thrust 15%+ vs chain
crush -5/+5% vs chain

 

[old.Carnak]

Hehehe

i meant the real damage formula, something like this: (str*dps*skill/speed)/10 or something like that. I know the bonus thrust has vs chain but my low dex will prolly negate that bonus, so i should go crush, right?

 

[Treniel]

sorry tilde but thats bull.

i goto RvR slash polearm do loads of dmg vs any class and only miss one or twice in combat...hardly ever if its blue

admitidly i don't get a bonus vs chain but who cares its only minus a few (-15 ish) and when u hit for 150+ with no special on a yellow.....however when respec comes i'm probably gona change to thrust but by the time that comes i'll end up with 4 lvl 50 chars

 

[belth]

If you're using a polearm, your dex don't matter, as polearms are based on str, no matter the damage type.

Crush gets 5% bonus against chain and hardly any malus against any other armor type afaik, so that's a neutral choice. Against mids you do more damage with thrust than slash, unless they've very high thrust resists (harder to get than high slash resists).

 

[tilde]

lol Treniel, u're telling me that there's not a big diffirence between thrust and slash vs chain? get some facts m8

 

[old.Carnak]

So i should stick with thrust...

as leather and cloth wearers will be dead in 2-3 swings anyway, right? And another question, how high should i keep my thrust? what should it be at when i hit 50?
Thanks for the help

 

[belth]

Well, most ideal choice is 50 thrust, 50 polearm, and the halfdings in 40's to parry... Your damage will kick ass, but you will also take loads damage because of virtually nothing but AF and Abs from armor.

Oh, and about thrust versus chain... You've to be a real gimp to do only ~150 at 40+ towards a chain-wearing class with a polearm, even with slash - I'm 37 and with only Backstab2 I do around 300 to a yellow con chain-wearer. That's with +30 from thrust bonus. I recon I can do around 400 with PA. Propably halve that for a thurst polearmsman and drop it to 1/3 for a slasher one. Note that's my initiating hit, rest of the hits I don't do nearly as much damage.

 

[Treniel]

Posted by Tilde
lol Treniel, u're telling me that there's not a big diffirence between thrust and slash vs chain? get some facts m8

theres not everybody thinks there is but its not THAT much when your hiting yellow cons its only like another 20-40 dmg....yeah its sumthing and i spose it amounts up after time but by the time it amounts to sumthing decent u oppent is very dead

Posted by Belthazor
You've to be a real gimp to do only ~150 at 40+ towards a chain-wearing class with a polearm, even with slash

lol u misunderstand me i meant 150 dmg minimum never hit below (not in rvr so far anyway) hence the + sign i normally do about 300 odd dmg to a yellow tank and more to casters etc

and btw if your a shadowblade don't u have critical hits that kill yellows n stuff in 1 hit? most casters i know at 37 have quite a bit more than 300 hp.....

 

[tilde]

say u use crush and hits for 100dmg - with slash that would be 85dmg, and with thrust 115dmg. its a big diffirence in the big hits and the long runs

 

[old.Carnak]

Thanks for the help

I guess ill stick with thrust then, as any caster will have me eating grass if i dont reach him and if i do he will be eating grass.
Oh and btw i already hit for 110+ damage to a high yellow mob if i do a crippling blow (usually bout +28) and im only level 20, so hitting for 150 damage as a minimum even is quite bad at 40+.

 

[belth]

Originally posted by Treniel

lol u misunderstand me i meant 150 dmg minimum never hit below (not in rvr so far anyway) hence the + sign i normally do about 300 odd dmg to a yellow tank and more to casters etc

Ah, much better

and btw if your a shadowblade don't u have critical hits that kill yellows n stuff in 1 hit? most casters i know at 37 have quite a bit more than 300 hp.....

Shadowblades are middies and can use 2-handers, etc... Only 2-h I can use is a staff

 

[old.Day]

this is how it goes:

Thrust vs Chain +15%
Thrust vs Scale +10%
Thrust vs Plate -10%
Thrust vs Studded -5%
Thrust vs leather -0%
Thrust vs cloath +5%

Those are the prime skills

So vs Midgaard Thrust is very evil.

I myself on euro has a lvl 32 thrust armsmen (1h & shield)
and my final stats will be 50 shield 50 parry 28 thrust
(the higher thrust skills is not needed cus they req. evade whice
a Armsmen does not recive) the 50 specc. in shield on the other hand gets you 2 stun skills, the lvl 42 Slam & the lvl 50 Brutelize,
those skills are worth gold in 1on1 combat cus the 42 skill can be usede anytime so start out ..and hit him freely for about 20-40 secs (alot a hits with a fast thrust weapon)
and if he should be alive once hes back to normal and you should block just use the Brutelize skill whice can stun him for up to 50 sec -1 min. you u can start delivere him some free hit and by that time he should die or you should perhaps be looking for a new weapon!
My char is a briton and i spec.ede him like 70 in str 70 i quick 70 dex.

 

[belth]

Check http://www.unlife.com/daoc/pages/damage.html for damage caused with 28 spec at 50... That's shite.

 

[tilde]

Slam stuns the opponent for 9secs, if u stun him again it will say: "XXX already have that effect" or something = no stun

but as u say, slam DO rock

 

[old.Paranoid]

Thrust or Crush... thats the answer.. not slash

 

[old.Day]

i said...

you got it all wrong... what i ment with the post was use slam first and use brutelize after ....the opponent can be stunnede twice (that is if he/she does not resist the abillity)just not with the same skill, but im sure your thinking abot creatures whice you will be told if you try to stun""them for a 2nd time you will get the msg "nameofcreature" resist your spell whice they do about 75% of the time

 

[tilde]

hmm, then i must try this out

[EDIT: after testing]

second stun halfes the duration on the timer, so it'll look like this:

first slam: 9secs
second slam: 4.5sec
and so on

 

[Treniel]

Carnak the mobs get the same lvl as u....if i go up to a lvl 20 mob and hit it i hit for 700+dmg or sumthing stupid last time i did it i think it was

u hit for 7-- dmg
u critical hit for 5-- mg

Posted by Carnak
Oh and btw i already hit for 110+ damage to a high yellow mob if i do a crippling blow (usually bout +28) and im only level 20, so hitting for 150 damage as a minimum even is quite bad at 40+.

and if u are using crippling blow like u say u are (which i'm sure i didn't have at 20) then u will relise its a high dmg move..if u actually READ the post i say i do 150+ MINIMUM with NO special...

that understood yet?

(Belthazor i meant infil or wotever, had just been playing on mid/pwyden )

 

[belth]

Originally posted by Treniel
(Belthazor i meant infil or wotever, had just been playing on mid/pwyden )

Not much 1-shotting for me anymore, only some rare standing greens, most grays and sitting casters (up to orange, with crit)... Somebody get me a DPS13 SPD5.5 staff

 

[old.Day]

Tilde i said use 2 diff. types of stun ..first slam then Brutelize, if you got it that is