my views on 1.63 farming/PLing/focus pulling

[cercela]

if what I have heard is correct. Focus shield will be moving to enchant line in 1.63. The imagine this will help the insane amount of PLing and focus pulling in the game.

well.. PLing yess... farming and focus pulling no.

why?

simple, someone wants to make a focus group after 1.63 he /who enchant (lvl goes here)

he messages asking if guy wants group if guy has focus shield.

guy joins group.

/who eld (lvl)

ask them to join since all elds go mana to lvl nowadays.

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why? because with this move being a chanter over and eld givs only one benifit.... the pet.

imo removing the focus shield without putting something in its place, (like some castable ae dissease or something) basically removes the point of RvR chanters.

which means, people who want a chanter for farming, will still make one. They will spec enchant and make large raids better (with high dmg Add)

also when farming, they will get pet self buffs to help them.

chanter + mana eld + bard + druid = still good farming group.

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for PLs, think of it, half the PLers are 1 person PLing their alt/buff bot.

so if one person + buff bot go PLing, the PLer will have to let focus shield kill the mobs, so thus more heals needed by healer, so thus less mobs and more mana usage.

so thus the only really good PLs will need more then 1 chanter. Which i agree with.

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i dont know, just my 2 cents but mana elds > mana chanters in RvR imo. So why go enchanter? For the focus shield farming. without focus shield what will make people go enchanter rather then eld as their main?

i think 1.63 will be the death of chanters imo.

any thoughts? Opinions? cause I'm sure theres flames and post farming otw

 

[-Nuked-]

i didnt think they were moving it were they? thought it would stay in the mana line

 

[Amadon]

I think you mean 1.64
I don't think it will be the death of chanters, because hopefully the changes to the resist system will come in too, making light chanters more viable, and probably making mana elds overpowered
It's too soon to say how much chanters are going to be affected since 1.64 hasn't progressed to class balance yet.
Personally I see the changes to the resist system doing more 'damage' to mana chanters than anything else, but I think that's good because it helps other casters out and brings mana chanters more in line with them.

 

[cercela]

i heard in 1.63 it would be moved from mana to enchant line

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by cercela
i heard in 1.63 it would be moved from mana to enchant line

1.63 is Foundations - ie. the housing patch
It's out on US servers now and there were no class balancing changes of note (none that I can recall offhand but there may have been some minor ones).
1.64 is the patch that Mythic are working on now in which we will probably see changes to resists and to enchanter's speclines

 

[Solarius]

Nope, won't be changing in 1.63
There is actually no class changes at all in 1.63, only Foundations fixes, crafting changes (no more hilt-> blade-> weapon \o/) and some quest/item changes.

I've got my own opinions on how they could fix the chanter problem, posted in a now long buried thread, but I'm content to sit back and see what happens.

 

[old.Zuljin]

if what I have heard is correct. Focus shield will be moving to enchant line in 1.63. The imagine this will help the insane amount of PLing and focus pulling in the game.

ITS ONLY Rumors! and they are not true!

if you read the TL report, its on the wish list, but nothing is for sure yet.. 1.63 is live on US and Focus shield is still mana atm.. 1.64 is a possiblity that they will move it, but it will still only be to test it and will be prolly decided when ever to keep it in Mana or move it to enchantments in 1.65.

 

[Trahg]

Originally posted by cercela
i heard in 1.63 it would be moved from mana to enchant line

That's from a TL-report, they wont change the focus-shield yet. We'll probably have to wait a good while for that.

1.63 is foundations.

1.64? seems to be a fix for foundations and some general stuff (items, system commands and such) so far.
1.65? I bet it'll be some balancing patch. For RA's, resists or mid, probably mid (they might change the chanter here but that's still soon).
1.66? (or perhaps 1.67) Will probably be a patch for ToA

1.7x probably somewhere here they will fix it (if they do)

Originally posted by cercela
i dont know, just my 2 cents but mana elds > mana chanters in RvR imo. So why go enchanter? For the focus shield farming. without focus shield what will make people go enchanter rather then eld as their main?

No, you obviously don't know
If you spec full mana and rest in light you will have an evil heat debuff and an ok base-dd with heat-damage. You'll do more damage than an mana-eldritch against single targets.

They'll probably won't touch enchanter before they have decided on how to balance out resists.


btw... you can read about the patches and such on www.camelotherald.com

 

[Ravenbourne]

simple "fix" to the pl problem, make focus shield de-taunt then they can only take on 1 or 2 mobs like the rest of us. so unfair that a class that has to spend the least on armor and stuff can also make the most money, yes i am bitter

 

[vulcan1]

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http://forums.barrysworld.com/showt...1&highlight=concentration+Concentraition+pool

 

[cougar-]

Originally posted by old.Zuljin
ITS ONLY Rumors! and they are not true!

if you read the TL report, its on the wish list, but nothing is for sure yet.. 1.63 is live on US and Focus shield is still mana atm.. 1.64 is a possiblity that they will move it, but it will still only be to test it and will be prolly decided when ever to keep it in Mana or move it to enchantments in 1.65.

dont think mythic ever moved a specline spell to antoher specline.

 

[Sichama]

I believe THE most simple fix to pl's camping good xp points is to enforce a level limit to dungeons.
Not perfect, as there are still specific places outside that are good xp for high levels, but i believe that no one can actually camp Fins, for example, to pl without beeing severly frawned upon, Hibernia needs to pl as many characters she can especially if we get /level 30 instead of /level 20 to boost up population and it doesnt need hard core coding/testing/balancing to happen.

 

[Pin]

1) normalise damage from shields by mob level (does less damage to high level mobs).
2) have aggro from focus shields spread around the whole group much like PBAE.

Make these changes and focus-pull groups will be slowed down considerably.
I don't think the spell then neccessarily needs to be moved to Enchantments, but the resist debuffs probably then should (but we'll see further effects when the resist system is re-worked)

 

[Jimmeh]

if they move the focus shield into chantment you can just spec enchantment and get 2 or so other mana chanters to do the pbaoe, then you can respec at 50 or 40 etc... and go mana or leave it for farming.

this just makes it alittle more difficult to find a perfect focus pull group, 1 enchantments ench, 3 mana chanters, and 4 healers... or some other combination

 

[old.SOSAGES]

some chanters lvl on their own if the pet dont take lal the agro then they are kinda screwed ...

leave fp alone and make tanks more effective

 

[finbahr]

just one point mana chanters have to be on there target to nuke( get good nuke) mana elds don't this will nerf the mana chanter they take the risk of going in melee strike to land it. they take that chance what other caster does this that is why there damage is so high.

so i spent x days xping just to see my mana chanter just to be come totally pve class won't be worth rvr .

yes some n00b mana chanters can be a pain in the ass so can most classes i gave up on my sahde at 23 cos he couldn't get grps the answer i got" we need a tank" ffs so tanks are pissed of shame they didn't think of the stealthers when they do this( not all tanks i must admit but the majority)soloed 90% of the way got bored.

nerf the rest of hib while your at it

 

[vintervargen]

leave our fs alone!!

 

[rauno]

focus shield will not go to enchantments it dont make sence to make spec line just for farming? it will be totaly useless in rvr unless they make chanter like cabalist (cant hit em before u kill the pet) so i think it will not happen.

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by finbahr
just one point mana chanters have to be on there target to nuke( get good nuke) mana elds don't this will nerf the mana chanter they take the risk of going in melee strike to land it. they take that chance what other caster does this that is why there damage is so high.

heat debuff + baseline light nuke >>>> snare DD
learn your class pls

so i spent x days xping just to see my mana chanter just to be come totally pve class won't be worth rvr .

mana chanters are one of the last viable casters in RvR, enjoy it while you can

 

[cercela]

well i guess I'd rather have a mana eld if for FS was gone because our guild has a ment. ae dot + ae dis

besides if the group you fight is good. You shouldnt get more then 2-3 casts in before ou are viewing soil. So thats 2 nukes + one debuff.

I've never tested it, but is debuff + 2 baseline nukes > 3 spec nukes in dmg?

Althought the pet would be an advantage too.

imo if mana chanter loses mana line FS they need something else in Mana line.

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

lol, so many people and no one realises what the real problems with focus shield are that make it so broken.

Firstly if you move it to enchantments, then I agree with the people that said it does nothing, just requires more work to make a focus group.

If Mythic ever wanted to fix it then its very easy, they should be looking at:-

a). The effect of buffs on pets (this is why a blue con pet out tanks a shield hero).

b). The fact that the ally is considered 'out of group' or somesuch, so that when an ally pulls all the mobs swarm in on him and not the party.

Either of these bugfixes would sort the problem out.

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by cercela
imo removing the focus shield without putting something in its place, (like some castable ae dissease or something) basically removes the point of RvR chanters.

not like the focus dmg shield is of any use in RvR

and you call yourself a friend of Morias!! shame on you

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by Amadon
I think you mean 1.64
I don't think it will be the death of chanters, because hopefully the changes to the resist system will come in too, making light chanters more viable, and probably making mana elds overpowered
It's too soon to say how much chanters are going to be affected since 1.64 hasn't progressed to class balance yet.
Personally I see the changes to the resist system doing more 'damage' to mana chanters than anything else, but I think that's good because it helps other casters out and brings mana chanters more in line with them.

agreed, to bad that all casters are subpair tanks atm, tho.

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by Pin
1) normalise damage from shields by mob level (does less damage to high level mobs).
2) have aggro from focus shields spread around the whole group much like PBAE.

Make these changes and focus-pull groups will be slowed down considerably.
I don't think the spell then neccessarily needs to be moved to Enchantments, but the resist debuffs probably then should (but we'll see further effects when the resist system is re-worked)

the problem then would be the amount of different spells in the mana specc line. PB and focus shield. That ain't much

and I doubt they will change the resist debuffs for enchanters for a while since they did a change rather recently.

 

[old.SOSAGES]

Originally posted by boni_ofdavoid

b). The fact that the ally is considered 'out of group' or somesuch, so that when an ally pulls all the mobs swarm in on him and not the party.

Either of these bugfixes would sort the problem out.

how would a chanter solo?

*sends pet in*
*gets agro*
*/release*
*shakes fists*

 

[censi]

mana chanters are overpowered atm in terms of their versatility.

I dont really consider them over powered in RVR but its the fact that the mana line gives them top notch single target nuking ability with the debuff. It gives them the old pbaoe, but its also gives them top notch PVE with focus shield. It would be silly to spec anything other than mana at the moment.

Imo moving focus shield to enchantments is an obvious and valid fix.

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by old.SOSAGES
how would a chanter solo?

*sends pet in*
*gets agro*
*/release*
*shakes fists*

The point is that the chanters pet should be treated the same as a tank in the group. If your pet gets aggro from more than one mob the others should be heading to random group members, just the same as if you had sent a tank to pull some fins.

It wouldnt affect solo when pulling one mob. With more than one mob once the ally has pulled the chanter would have to change targets and get the ally to hit the 2nd and then 3rd mobs etc, any that werent comming for the pet exactly as if the ally where a tank trying to pickup all the adds before they reached the casters/healers..

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by old.SOSAGES
how would a chanter solo?

*sends pet in*
*gets agro*
*/release*
*shakes fists*

if you are solo, they won't BaF. if you aggro a mob it always go to the one who it aggros, iow the pet

however the chanter might be jinxed vs linked mobs

 

[cercela]

Re: Re: my views on 1.63 farming/PLing/focus pulling

Originally posted by Gahldir
not like the focus dmg shield is of any use in RvR

and you call yourself a friend of Morias!! shame on you

I've used focus shield in RvR

on morias none the less to. I've seen him use it as well.

Keep defence send a pet out into tanks. Let them hit is for a nice dmg return. Recast and repeat. Great fun too when you some how get a kill

or solo, I've seen morias run away, pet nukes. uy turns to pet. Mori focus shields pet and starts laughing

so HA! FS is good in RvR imo! just not common

i want to see someone focus pull a fg mids