Motherboard for flipchip 550

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old.MeddlE

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TUG will have a field day on this one. ;)

I'm gonna (finally) upgrade and want to get a flipchip 550 and overclock to 825. Based on my own reading the ASUS P3V4X seems to fit the bill best.

Also,any idea when the NV15 is due?

P.s. TUG, I do value your comments in this field even if you are only a young whippersnapper.
 
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old.TUG

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Ere! I'm nearly 19 u know ;))

The Asus board is pretty good yea... goto www.overclockers.com and www.overclockers.com.au and read their news pages - there are links to forums and news about that mobo...

Tis late, so can't be arsed to write loads...

I'd try gettin big speed on a BX board and a DDR geforce as they respond very well to HIGH non-standard agp speeds :)
 
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old.MeddlE

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Cheers TUG, but I'm nearly 30! :eek:

Which BX board will do 150 FSB with stability and decent AGP/PCI dividers? Don't want to get too outside speck on PCI as I have SCSI.
 
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old.TUG

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The most often quoted board is the BE6-II from abit due to it's plethora of FSB's :)

Why don't you go for a coppermine 600? Only 200 quid now m8 and from what I have been reading, essentially ALL knock out 800MHz easily, most touchin on the heels of 900! :)
www.cclcomputers.co.uk have that price...

I'll do that car insurance quote soon - see what an 18 yr old gets on a GT4! Wuhahaha :)

I'm guessin @ 3 grand, but that page wasn't workin right when I tried to have a go :(
 
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old.Cornholio

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I do not wish to reveal my age, but i do have some info on overclocking a flip chip!

My m8 at work is using the SuperMicro i820 p3 scd ( http://www.supermicro.com/PRODUCT/MotherBoards/820/PIIISCD.htm ) based board with a 500 piii flip chip @ 800 The FSB runs at 160Mhz!!! An MSI Master 6805 flip chip - Slot 1 converter ( http://www.msicomputer.com/products/detail.asp?ProductID=116 ), A 3DFXcool coppermine cooler Alpha heatsink & Fan( http://www.3dfxcool.com/alphacmho1.htm ) , and 128 MB Muskin PC100 high density single sided RAM ( http://www.mushkin.com/cgi-bin/Mushkin.filereader?38df2e9d05aa34d4273fcda a9b0206a3+EN/products/990446 ).

phew!

all in all a stable beast of a machine...

The other consideration to make is NOT to use PS/2 devices as it impacts on overclocking. If you can go for USB mouse and keyboard!

enjoy it!

mr_corn

[This message has been edited by Cornholio (edited 28 March 2000).]
 
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old.TUG

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Hmmm I dunno where u got the idea of PS/2 devices affecting the stability of a certain overclock, cuz all in all that sounds like bollox to mee and i'm in the 'overclockers' trade.
 
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old.MeddlE

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PS/2 or USB, doesn't matter as I have both.
As for using an i820 motherboard, forget it. It's got to be either BX or Apollo Pro 133A.
 
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old.Cornholio

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sorry i was getting my wires crossed... ;) i meant that ps/2 devices can impact on possible ultimate overclockerbility... ie ps/2 devices draw on cpu resourses more than usb devices..

I am interested to know why you think the i820 chipset is shite for o/c?? Is there a stabilty or a performance issue? :confused:

l8r



[This message has been edited by Cornholio (edited 28 March 2000).]
 
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old.TUG

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Ahh i see what you mean now :) I wouldn't worry about ps/2 resource needs tho, for mouses and keyboards its less than minimal :)

The i820 - nowt up with it for overclocking, but lots up with it on a performance/price ratio.

It's optimised for RAMBUS memory, which is all well and good if:

1) You can afford like the equivelent to 800 dollars for 128meg 800MHz RAMBUS
2) You can find it in the UK

Otherwise, some boards utilizing the i820 use SDRAM mem transfer hubs and these are shit :) The performance of the i820 then is in fact slower than the VIA and BX boards, which doesnt quite justify the mobo's cost - considering that it's a replacement for the BX chipset which is over 2 yrs old!! :)

Ideally, BX is ace if u can get to 133MHz FSB+ with a geforce cuz the agp bus would be running loads over spec so 3d would be super nippy :) The i820 and via boards have a 1/2 speed agp divider which is deffo useful tho ;)

I reckon thats me done now anyway! heh :)
 
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old.Inshala

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Glad ya cleared up that ps/2 Vs. usb overclock shit, I nearly bought a USB keyboard...
 
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old.MeddlE

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Wow, forget the 550, what about the new Celeron 600? Can I hear you say 900MHz?
9 x 66MHz = 600
Overclock to 100MHz FSB and bingo?

Any thoughts TUG?
 
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old.TUG

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Well m8, thats the path I will be taking...

Thing is, in all the initial reviews I have read, no 600's have done 900 yet :(

When yields improve tho, I think we may have a seriously nippy little cheap chip on our hands :)

Intel's choice of sustaining the 66MHz FSB for the celeron line fucked its performance up big time... It *needs* the 100MHz badly this time to compare it to it's near identical coppermine PIII brother
 
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DApea!

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Damn Strait TUG, iv read endless reviews and seen loads of benchmarks (btw, why do germany like.. give chips away :) i must say its awesome, and im getting one whenever they come out, im sure my GA-6BXE will support it, but TUG, any estimate price ?
 
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old.TUG

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Tis quite f00kin cheap really m8 seeing as it's only just been released... I think the 600 is like 180 dollars per 1000... thats £111 quid which aint too much really... specially if the yields get better... 900MHz for under 150 quid is f00kin nice innit :)
 
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old.rockhard

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lo ;)

Ive just got one of those 600E's and a Asus P3V4X to go with my Geforce DDR (not overclocked yet :/ ).
The 600E o'clocks to 864mhz @ 1.75v totally stable and kicks ass with q3a :)

My config for q3a is:-

seta r_fastsky "0"
seta r_drawSun "0"
seta m_pitch 0.034
seta m_yaw 0.034
seta cg_drawTimer 0
seta cg_drawfps 1
seta cg_gibs 0
seta com_blood 0

This gives me 123fps with high quality settings @ 800 x 600 with geometry medium, colour and texture @ 16 bit.
Very playable :rolleyes:

I get 177fps with q2 @ 800 x 600 16 bit :D

If your still lookin for a mobo then i throughly recommend the Asus P3V4X.
Only thing is that u need to use the 4.17 Via drivers until the glitch with the 4.20's gets sorted which i have read is in the works :)

Hope this is of some help to ya.

Regards,

Rockhard :p

[This message has been edited by rockhard (edited 09 April 2000).]

[This message has been edited by rockhard (edited 09 April 2000).]
 
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old.TUG

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Im thinkin baat a 600E too... but I'm gonna try it on a BE6-II and get some nippy results with a near cooking geforce at as close to 100MHz agp bus speed as possible :)
 
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old.MeddlE

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I was reading that the Cel-II 533 does 800MHz no probs. My main thing is this, the 600E does 850MHz just by jumping to 133FSB, seen as how I'm gonna build a new system anyway, i.e. a new mobo (probly ASUS), PC133 mem, Graphics card (will wait on the NV15), why would I do a Cel-II to 850 rather than a PIII, other than cost. The PIII is faster because of the increased FSB, just depends how cheap I can find one for!
 
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old.TUG

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yer agreed... 1GHz sounds nice from a 633 celly, but an 866 PIII using a 133 bus smashes it :(

195 squid for a coppermine 600E @ www.cclcomputers.co.uk

I might start pre-testing and selling some overclocked coppermines and celeron II's soon :)
 
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old.MeddlE

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Just had a look TUG, that is mis-labelled as its actually a 600, the 600E being the flipchip. Only £4 difference though, just don't want ppl buying the wrong thing. ;)
 
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old.TUG

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well, www.novatech.co.uk have em for 193 and it says coppermine in the description...

This is from CCL:

Intel PIII C/mine 600E 100Mhz FSB Slot1 164.11
166.38
166.38
195.49

Didn't u know u can get slot 1 coppermines m8? They seem to actually OC better at the mo... ppl touching 900 with slot 1 600E's and only 800 with FC-PGA's... interesting indeedy.
 
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