MoS or MoP in NF...

[Panthera]

still cant decide for myself wether to go MoS 4 or MoS 5...whats the difference between them... or in wich way would I benefit more from MoS 5 than MoS 4..? Am tad unsure how MoS works..i.e. if I have higher MoS does enemies have harder to detect me or does it just benefit my detection range and speed..?

Mastery of Pain... is that RA worth getting at all..? if I decide to go MoS 4 I prolly can bring MoP up to lvl 3 but not if I go MoS 5...so have hard time to decide here...

And also..are those Aug str,con..etc worth getting or is it just a waste of points...

Have not been on Gorre to test theese out myself and wont have time to do so either so any recommendations are welcomed...

 

[leviathane]

for infys MoS

 

[Dorac]

Higher MoS will not make you harder to detect, only improve your detection range. And speed of course.

 

[Bubble]

I'm going MoS3 with my Inf
Since it doesn't make there Bubble Smaller going above this sort of range isn't any use to me

 

[Tsabo]

The inf I made on Gorre was this...

50 DW
50 Thrust
34 Stealth
34 CS
9 Envenom

Purge 2
Vanish 1
MoS 3
MoP 3
Aug Dex 3
Aug Str 2

As you can tell I'm a merc/inf, I have no problems taking down 2-3 stealthers at a time, I have taken heros down before the stun from CD has worn off.

Vanish 1 is a MUST, loosing a fight? or got into a fight you didnt intend to? Then just piss of using Vanish.

Being Dual Wield spec MoP and Aug Dex and Aug Str helped alot.

I was 3 hit killin NS's that jumped me easy, takin down pretty much everything and anything. Plus side is as I was rr6 I had in total 25 Envenom so I had Str/Con debuffs and Diseases that didnt get resisted.

 

[Eva]

mos3 for assassins at lower rrs ( up to rr6/7 I guess ) imo. Been playing a nightshade alot on gorre with a spec something like: dex2, str2, mos3, purge3, mop2 or so (6l2 spec). Been working great and you can purge in most fights which I like. But since we get 10s respec stones try different things. Try mos5 then mos3 and see the differance yourself.

I tried mos5 on my hunter which was great, and I had mos4 as highest on my nightshade. On my nightshade I couldn't see assassins at the same range as archers (575 or what it is with mos4) maybe that's better with mos5, I don't know really. Just test it when it goes live, or go on gorre and test it.

 

[Ginius]

For MoS I read it like this:
MoS on Assassin helps finding Sniper not other Assassins.
MoS on Sniper helps finding Assassins not other Sniper.

So it's more like a passive TS with lower range then a help for Assassins.

 

[bigchief]

Vanish 1 is a MUST, loosing a fight? or got into a fight you didnt intend to? Then just piss of using Vanish.

Vanish 1 is 1 second of stealth. It sometimes wont even clear guards/pets let alone stop any other assassin/archer from finding you again instantly, only now you cant fight back.

For MoS I read it like this:
MoS on Assassin helps finding Sniper not other Assassins.
MoS on Sniper helps finding Assassins not other Sniper.

So it's more like a passive TS with lower range then a help for Assassins.

mos on an archer helps you find archers too

 

[Tsabo]

Vanish 1 is 1 second of stealth. It sometimes wont even clear guards/pets let alone stop any other assassin/archer from finding you again instantly, only now you cant fight back.

It's a 1 second of uber stealth, but then leaves u in ur normal stealth, if guards can find u in ur normal stealth ya need to recheck ur spec m8.

vanish 1 is more than enuff, i've got away every time with this wen in trouble, even got away from purp shredders with it, as soon as u have the 1 sec stealth they leave u and go hak to their roamin pattern and as we all know with traldors, wen a mob is goin bak to its roamin pattern they dont agro u, hence talkin to him after he kills ur pet

 

[bigchief]

It's a 1 second of uber stealth, but then leaves u in ur normal stealth, if guards can find u in ur normal stealth ya need to recheck ur spec m8.

vanish 1 is more than enuff, i've got away every time with this wen in trouble, even got away from purp shredders with it, as soon as u have the 1 sec stealth they leave u and go hak to their roamin pattern and as we all know with traldors, wen a mob is goin bak to its roamin pattern they dont agro u, hence talkin to him after he kills ur pet

it has nothing to do with my stealth spec, its a simple fact in some situations vanish1 will not clear mob/guard agro, maybe its due to lag, I dont know. Its also present on US, has been appealed as a bug etc.

 

[Yeke]

believe the bug is because of guards having an effect from you namly poisen or some proc that "ticks" you vanish your agro is cleared and then you cause damage to the mob/guard and once again have agro.

 

[Puppet]

believe the bug is because of guards having an effect from you namly poisen or some proc that "ticks" you vanish your agro is cleared and then you cause damage to the mob/guard and once again have agro.

Bleed is a pretty way to feck up vanish too. Especially on hunters; if u use bleed-style on a hunter; then vanish; he lost ya target. But when he gets next bleed the hunter pet will sniff you out again.

Same goes for mobs/guards

 

[Chimaira]

Bleed is a pretty way to feck up vanish too. Especially on hunters; if u use bleed-style on a hunter; then vanish; he lost ya target. But when he gets next bleed the hunter pet will sniff you out again.

Same goes for mobs/guards

remove PA bleed eh?

 

[Tsabo]

it has nothing to do with my stealth spec, its a simple fact in some situations vanish1 will not clear mob/guard agro, maybe its due to lag, I dont know. Its also present on US, has been appealed as a bug etc.

US version... who gives a sod about them?

It works on our one...

I have got away from guards and mobs 100% of the time, only had one time i been found after and that was cos i vanished on a bunch of stealthers wen i had the wrong weapon out meaning i was 2 down on my stealth.

the 1 second is an uber no ones gonna see u stealth, but after that 1 second it goes down to ur regular stat stealth is wot i mean...

 

[bigchief]

US version... who gives a sod about them?

It works on our one...

I have got away from guards and mobs 100% of the time, only had one time i been found after and that was cos i vanished on a bunch of stealthers wen i had the wrong weapon out meaning i was 2 down on my stealth.

the 1 second is an uber no ones gonna see u stealth, but after that 1 second it goes down to ur regular stat stealth is wot i mean...

And anyone that then SL's or has decent MoS (archer ofc) or you have a situation along the lines above described by Puppet is going to not just totally rape you with your 30sec no combat how?

 

[Asharith]

The inf I made on Gorre was this...

blabla who cares ?

As you can tell I'm a merc/inf, I have no problems taking down 2-3 stealthers at a time, I have taken heros down before the stun from CD has worn off.

Was kinda when i stopped reading tbh.......

Vanish is nice but its not 100% and certainly not on prydwen..
For an assassin get mos3 should be ok .

 

[Tsabo]

And anyone that then SL's or has decent MoS (archer ofc) or you have a situation along the lines above described by Puppet is going to not just totally rape you with your 30sec no combat how?

Well tbh, I only found I had to Vanish against stealthers a few times, and only once did that happen.

But the other 50 odd times I used it it was peachy.

And Asharith, if you didn't read what I wrote, why comment on what I wrote? If I've written more than "Omg, jst wtf pwnd im!", I'm assuming I've ventured out of your IQ boundaries, so don't even bother trying to stress your brain out by attempting to read it...

 

[Asharith]

Sounds to me your just gloating that your so omfg uber .. but tbh gorre is nothing like a real server . theres loads of unbuffed ppl there and you were prolly buffed . Plus the fact that none uses tweaked gear makes 99% of your post utter useless..

 

[Asharith]

I also see no stealther in your character list so what can you rly know about SL . And that rr6 on gorre is prolly the most rp you ever had .. so Useless.

 

[Tsabo]

TBH, if anything Gorre is the best place for comparison as everyone is equal in RR ML gear etc etc...

And you obviously haven't been there, everyone on the server has BBs, they're all over the place.

And no, there is no stealther in my char list, this is the 1st 50 stealther i've played for more than 30mins, but I have lvled a 33 NS on PvP so I know how to fight other people as a stealther etc, making me not totally clueless.

The short of it is this, if you don't want to pay any attention to my post then don't read it and don't say anything. No need to flame me...

 

[xxManiacxx]

hehe u can´t make any assumptions by playing on Gorre.... I was runing around unbuffed with a 5.3spd 2-hander killing buffed scouts/infils does that mean SBs are uber then?

And Vanish1 against stealthers are a bit of a no-go. Most ppl are gonna go MoS3+ and u wont cover that much ground in 1s. (ofc against other assassins as an assassin u can because MoS don´t work then) but u must be very lucky for him to not a: run around in a circle and easy spotting u again b: not having SL up


Then I won´t say anything about the 3+ other stealthers that will always be nearby.

 

[Rakdhin]

Indeed, you can't make assumptions based on Gorre. I've been rocking with my inconnu crossbow specced armsman. Says it all.

 

[Keres]

Indeed, you can't make assumptions based on Gorre. I've been rocking with my inconnu crossbow specced armsman. Says it all.

tbh, I have always knew that Inconnu crossed specced armsman was an uber spec, needs nerfing

 

[Bubble]

Vanish is kinda buggy at the moment, only Vanish3 is worth having...but thats not worth 30 RA points.

About MoS-
MoS3 is needed for an assasin class, this helps against archers (who probley will go for MoS3 to 5 as well)

 

[Tsabo]

Vanish is kinda buggy at the moment, only Vanish3 is worth having...but thats not worth 30 RA points.

About MoS-
MoS3 is needed for an assasin class, this helps against archers (who probley will go for MoS3 to 5 as well)

How is vanish 1 buggy?

I've not had any problems with it at all, i have got away from unwanted agro from mobs(even df mobs with see hidden), guards, players, even pets loose me wen i vanish!

and this is vanish 1 :/