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StormriderX · Aug 27, 2003

SMs:http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=55425679&replies=7

"I've been RvR'ing for several months with a Dark/Summ SM. My idea to increase survivability and greatly enhance SM group effectiveness is for Mythic to make the Shroud (AOE Mesmerise) spell in Spirit Dimming Line an Insta spell on a 5 second timer. Increase its radius from 300 to 450 and make it Base Line at 50.

Currently with the 3 second cast time it's not too much help in RvR. Either I'm mezzed first, and defending, or its too late to help the fight. As an Insta, SM's will be a great group player to supplement Healers for cc.

The current escape (Pbae Mezz) is pretty useless. Its on a 2 second timer and only has a 300 radius. So the enemies have to be right on top of you to even cast and by then its too late and the duration is too short. Having a ranged insta would up survivability greatly, especially on a 5 second timer.

Pet Intercept was a good start but a lot of work needs to be done to make this a viable class in RvR."

Thanes:http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=55333059&replies=25

"Energy debuff would compliment Thanes very well but not fix them.

If Thanes got:
1. Energy debuff
2. Single target snare (like a Skald)
3. Group purge in a some way (someone here called it Thor's Awakening or something and put it on a 10-15min timer)

then they would be fixed.

I'm sure Hib/Albs will be here bitchin' and whining about how that would make Thanes OVERPOWERED.
To them, in advance, I say, TMS & STFU. "

Carlos Bananos · Aug 27, 2003

savages need some help imo

svartmetall · Aug 27, 2003

Originally posted by Carlos Bananos
savages need some help imo

H2H is about right, it's 2H Savages that do the really insane dmg.

Carlos Bananos · Aug 27, 2003

Originally posted by svartmetall
H2H is about right, it's 2H Savages that do the really insane dmg.

2h is underpowered. they need to let it quad or smth.

schinkaar · Aug 27, 2003

add a ratmode selfbuff imo. or as this nice player:
"Might of Kelgor:

30sec - 1min shout buff, drains no life or endo, on a 15-30 min reuse timer:

Str, Con & Quick are become double of what they are previous to using Might of Kelgor. During Might of Kelgor, stats are NOT affected by the stat cap. " this whould indeed be needed!

old.Lethul · Aug 27, 2003

Originally posted by svartmetall
H2H is about right, it's 2H Savages that do the really insane dmg.

h2h damage > 2h damage ..

Tasans · Aug 27, 2003

Thanes are such a strong rvr class imo.

Kallio · Aug 27, 2003

Originally posted by Tasans
Thanes are such a strong rvr class imo.

And that has what to do with what?

Thanes would work if they would get support abilities...

Or if Determination would just be removed from the game

silverblast · Aug 27, 2003

Har Har... Insta AE mez on 5 sec timer and baseline ..
They must be kidding

?

Tasans · Aug 27, 2003

Originally posted by Kallio
And that has what to do with what?

Thanes would work if they would get support abilities...

Or if Determination would just be removed from the game

Or mythic fixed its endless fuckups with the class along with the above.

cercela · Aug 27, 2003

basically they are saying:

Mak it so i can slaughter alb/hibbies and sleep at the same time plz

I think the class that needs to be fixed the most is a bard, theres loads of reasons why we are gimped and seeing how important we are in RvR for hibs, they need to be adressed, just no one listens.

silverblast · Aug 27, 2003

Oh yea I forgot the 450 radius

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Vasconcelos · Aug 27, 2003

Even with energy insta debuff, snare shout,... Thanes would be the last option for a mid rvr fg (im taking the "Group Purge on 10min timer" suggestion as a topnotch joke...)

Blame your own realm, any mid fg with some desire to gank will choose savages, warriors or zerkers over thanes.

Wonder wot would happen if Mythic removed body, heat n cold resists from healer/shammys and gave em to thanes. Im quite sure thanes will receive much more "need rvr group??" messages.

Gahldir · Aug 27, 2003

yeah, i think those are top ace suggestions.

I also fight for my Hero. A hero is someone who saves the day and doesn't die. atm a hero isn't to hard to kill and is not the guy who saves the day.

I suggest unlimitided hp and a sucky rezz so that he don't have to wait 10 mins for his group m8s trying to leech RPs from him

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Subbiz · Aug 27, 2003

noobs

thanes already got grp purge, its called Mjollnir(aka HAMMERTIME) and its a castable ae purge, atm its mistakenly working on hib and alb only, this should be fixed soon!

Arkian · Aug 27, 2003

For thane RvR desirability why not move mid's end regen to the thane class

elahim · Aug 27, 2003

Originally posted by Arkian
For thane RvR desirability why not move mid's end regen to the thane class

I agree with that.

Vasconcelos · Aug 27, 2003

Originally posted by Gahldir
yeah, i think those are top ace suggestions.

I also fight for my Hero. A hero is someone who saves the day and doesn't die. atm a hero isn't to hard to kill and is not the guy who saves the day.

I suggest unlimitided hp and a sucky rezz so that he don't have to wait 10 mins for his group m8s trying to leech RPs from him

~~

Some heroes die 1st while saving the day..... ^^

<Points at Di Caprio in Titanic>

Bonegoat · Aug 27, 2003

Originally posted by Subbiz
noobs

thanes already got grp purge, its called Mjollnir(aka HAMMERTIME) and its a castable ae purge, atm its mistakenly working on hib and alb only, this should be fixed soon!

Begach · Aug 27, 2003

Originally posted by Arkian
For thane RvR desirability why not move mid's end regen to the thane class

Might be fun. Might also just create another overpowered tank for mid. No other realm has end chant on a tank that can actually hit sommin. Would you be willing to give up melee dmg down to same dmg table as warden/pally to attain this end regen ?

B.

Puppetmistress · Aug 27, 2003

Originally posted by Begach
Might be fun. Might also just create another overpowered tank for mid. No other realm has end chant on a tank that can actually hit sommin. Would you be willing to give up melee dmg down to same dmg table as warden/pally to attain this end regen ?

B.

Thanes cannot give up melee-damage. That would reduce it to below zero.

Seriously: Thanes need love. And no, they dont have to sacrifice anything to get it. They're very poor in current RvR.

Begach · Aug 27, 2003

Originally posted by Puppetmistress
Thanes cannot give up melee-damage. That would reduce it to below zero.

Seriously: Thanes need love. And no, they dont have to sacrifice anything to get it. They're very poor in current RvR.

Compared to what? Other mid tanks or compared to like i said other end regen melee classes such as pally/warden(self only)?

B.

Tasans · Aug 27, 2003

Originally posted by Begach
Might be fun. Might also just create another overpowered tank for mid. No other realm has end chant on a tank that can actually hit sommin. Would you be willing to give up melee dmg down to same dmg table as warden/pally to attain this end regen ?

B.

Hi

Summary of Weaponskill in order ((#) denotes the boosted Weaponskill from the lower # tables):

1. Warrior: (2) 4.5%, (3) 7.5%, (4) 21.2%, (5) 27.8%, (6) 65.9%, (7) 86.6%
2. Armsman, Hero, Mercenary, Blademaster. Berzerker, Savage: (3) 2.8%, (4) 15.9%, (5) 22.3%, (6) 58.7%, (7) 78.6%
3. Valewalker: (4) 11.3%, (5) 18.8%, (6) 54.4%, (7) 73.7%
4. Champion, Reaver, Skald, Paladin, Hunter, Friar (Staff): (5) 5.5%, (6) 36.9%, (7) 54%
5. Warden, Bard, Thane, Minstrel, Scout, Infiltrator, Nightshade, Ranger, Shadowblade: (6) 30%, (7) 46%
6. Healer, Shaman, Friar (Blunt): (7) 12.5%
7. Druid, Cleric

Iswind · Aug 27, 2003

Originally posted by Arkian
For thane RvR desirability why not move mid's end regen to the thane class

yes pls give me pally like chant end regen PLS!

Maybe then someone will like me

Iswind · Aug 27, 2003

Originally posted by Begach
Might be fun. Might also just create another overpowered tank for mid. No other realm has end chant on a tank that can actually hit sommin. Would you be willing to give up melee dmg down to same dmg table as warden/pally to attain this end regen ?

B.

you do know thanes have lower weapon skill than pallys right ?

EDIT: Ohh just noticed Tasans allready pointed that out

ab_fluid · Aug 27, 2003

Originally posted by Subbiz
noobs

thanes already got grp purge, its called Mjollnir(aka HAMMERTIME) and its a castable ae purge, atm its mistakenly working on hib and alb only, this should be fixed soon!

classic!

Iswind · Aug 27, 2003

yeah thats why its forbidden

But if you attack a mid keep with defenders in it if you listen real close you can sometimes hear the fabbled words be spoken!

And maybe just maybe if your luckey the next keep you attack may have one of those creatures known as thanes ^^

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