Monday 11 - 21:30 CET - The Battle for Emain

[Tholus]

Monday 21:30 to 23:30 CET I will try to lead an exercitation of field battle army management in Ancient Roman style.

We will experiment some basic as: marching, flanking, ambushing.

Has been posted in another thread but ill rewrite here the basics


Minimum requirements:

> 2 well set flanking groups (FS)
> 2 steady and disciplined main groups (MA)
> an unlimited number of people with no particular requirement
> more than welcome: 1 stealth group (SS)


Basic rules

> Only GLs can talk in BG
> The raid leader is in the main army groups
> The MA moves at walk speed so anyone can join the MA


Objectives:

Holding a position untill charge is ordered is a key factor. This will be the main scope and target of the first exercitation (if we actually decide to start this idea). People tend to be greedy and charge/ split for easy rps. This means to be usually defeated by the first enemy counterwave.

This is why you need a few key teams to hold steady and be the point of reference for the whole army. People have to understand they are free to spread and chease... but the key groups will not move from thier position. Is is not a big problem if the mass tends to have some movement and some kind of disorder. This was true in real battles too. But if you have 2 Flanking groups you can 100% trust on and 2-3 Main Army groups that are ordered and disciplined you will be able to drive the strategy consistently and to hold the main part of the people.
.... who disbands is cannon fodder. But this doesn't harm the main army. At the contrary they are bait for the enemy gredyness and our counterattack.

I believe there are probably more chances of success if the key groups in the Main Army are guild groups. Guild groups are usually more disciplined. A steady front with 3-4 guild groups moving in line at walk speed can hold position and lead an unlimited number of people.



Scenario

The first scenario will be Emain
The scope will be experiment some very basic tactics: typically holding a position (a main gate, a valley, a keep) in coordination with flanking squads and stealth squads.
If the enemy holds Crim or DC we can try some coordinated keep take. With "traps" and ambushes for the rushing enemy.

The rally point will be DL so we can train some basic in march and ordered movement in the way to Emain (MA on walk march in the valleys, FSs moving with speed flanking, opening formation, backstabbing)


Orders

The orders will be very simple and clean.
There are known zones of reference (Crim Valley, XDC, DC , Crim, AMG, MMG, APK, MPK, Tower) and the main army will be able to slowly move and "hold position" only there.
There are positional "hidden" spots for flanking squads to hide in until charge is ordered (behind main gates (left and right), the lake etc).

There will be "movement" orders, "set up and hold" orders and "charge and regather" orders.Nothing more.


Enemy

There is no fun in zerging against one full group of enemies. So we will post the date of the attempt. Enemys can plan a countaction and assemble an army to face us if they want (I dont think Albs will have any problem ).

I dont expect to have success at the first attempt against the Albion Army.... but the point is learing from errors.


Patience and discipline

Patience will be a requirement for the first attempt. The first time 30-60 mins will be required to set up groups and dispatching positions.
As a side note: join the BG/event only if you plan to follow instruction for a couple hours


Set up trumpets and drums,
sharpen blades
.... see you on monday

 

[Thilde]

This is very interesting. But bah I have work on monday otherwise i would be there and record the whole thing.. Why not weekend?

 

[Rulke]

Ah good, you posted date & time. Now people know not to be in emain when you decide to camp a milegate with a zerg and call it "tactics"

 

[Tinyheals]

just as pathetic as the hib rvr boycot on some random us server

 

[Danya]

RvR in odins on monday then?

 

[angrysquirrel]

exercitation

i love that word.

 

[Elewyth(TLSOA)]

great post time and loc and ill come AOE dot your gimp grpd forces and farm you.

 

[ebenezer]

cool idea and hope u get it goin
One question though and i say this with no negativity in my voice at all.
What do u want to acomplish with this training?

 

[Leathas]

wish I could come..I really want to see groups in different positions instead of everyone sticking to bard and just rvring

 

[Jaem-]

Organised zerging?

 

[YoungElf]

Organised zerging?

You don't believe such things can exist?
You've been watching way too much Steven Seagal movies and Rambo's

 

[Lorra]

Sounds cool mate, just might activate my account early than expected to join in the fun

 

[bloved]

Nice , i will come with me drood .....or Blademaster
About time !! sum1 took steps and slap peeps awake
and see FG setups wont work in NF but Teamwork will
its all about keep defence , takeovers , spying , flanking , and info sharing

and its perfect to post it here !!!
So other realms can read what we upto .

At least there will be enought ALBs , MIDs to try to stop us all

:bazbeer:

 

[Mysteriax]

Will be there with my sexy druid

 

[Tholus]

What do u want to acomplish with this training?

All I want is a nice screenshot with a full army of Hibs standing, waiting a charge order, all disposed with phalanx, wings, flanks, hemblems and insignae and facing an ordered army of Albs on the opposite side of a valley.
such Roleplay ....

All I want to try the disposal on the field of an ordered army that moves more with a "roman style" than with a "barbaric style"

The "barbaric horde style" name is absolutely not offensive. This has proven to be very effective tactic in well organized Relic Raids and Huge Battles.
I dont know tbh if something different will work in a game like DAoC... but a couple hours wasted are worth a try.


BTW.
For those who will want to avoid emain: this is the scope of three different RvR zones
For those who will come to face us with a similar tactic: this will be fun!
For those who will came with a gank group just to leech AoE rps or kill us: this is just an attempt, will probably fail and you will probaly have a lot of errpees and laugh on us

 

[Ballard]

Nice, make sure as many albs and mids know about this as possible. True leaders are known by the opponents they have defeated. An easy battle is of no value. Who would remember Hannibal if Scipio and the might of Rome had not been vanquished and in their place some unknown barbarian force had fallen?

Good luck.

 

[Akyma]

Zerg for the win imo

 

[Jayce]

great post time and loc and ill come AOE dot your gimp grpd forces and farm you.

I think you'll be in for a shock.

 

[Eelai]

It's a shame albs and mids react this way... IMO it would be amazing to just see all three realms participate in an initiative like this...

Maybe (omg the espionage!!) we could, just for the fun of it, try "not to let eachother know" and eventually still show up with huge numbers. :touch:

 

[Mysteriax]

I got 3 screenies of the event, so I'll post them the last 1 is quite nice

http://members.home.nl/fmensink/sshot041.jpg Gathering screenies mostly dracs here
http://members.home.nl/fmensink/sshot042.jpg stillmore gathering more people here now
http://members.home.nl/fmensink/sshot043.jpg The line in emain infront of amg

Well atleast 1 thing was proven in this nice experiment hibs can listen (if only foran hour)
Albs can zerg like there is no tomorow and we need more practice

I loved the ammount of people who showed up. I'll hopefully be there again if we do this again

 

[Ogen]

Was a nice attempt imo Think we would have taken down the albs aswell, if only the mids havent came around from the back, and splittet up the zerg
Was fun, and ill be there next time for sure :worthy:

Nice leading Tholus