minstrels having stealth and cw

[snotfor]

Am i the only one wondering why minstrels have stealth and climb walls ability?

 

[Addlcove]

Originally posted by snotfor
Am i the only one wondering why minstrels have stealth and climb walls ability?

yes.

because minstrels have F**K all else.. they used to be the realm power provider (now replaced by mana crack on sorcs), they have shite melee dmg output and although their DD's hurts quite a bit there´s a huge recast time on those.... and they can´t have a pet and play a song/chant at the same time.


I am certain that people who have actually played a minstrel to 50 will have more things to add

 

[snotfor]

Fair enough the minstrel needed flair... but there are many other ways going about giving em that.
And tbh why not give skald the same 2 things (stealth and cw), they suffer from exactly the same probs?

 

[Laston]

cause ministrels are from guild of shadow (thats name i think) witch are all stealthy bastards so they get it and why would u want to give exaclty same ability to skalds? they are a world apart (geografical and mythological ) if all class where same we might aswell turn all classes into armsmen. also give them a new armor with best sc possible etc etc also rr10 l10 so none can complain about the l33t dudes who steamroll them all the time

 

[old.Morchaoron]

Originally posted by Laston
cause ministrels are from guild of shadow

WRONG!!

They are from the acedemy!!

we are dd-stun-shouting area mezzing turbowalking uber mob charming ame slashing power recharging ablative singing stealthing wall climbing rogues in chain.... or something....

 

[Laston]

^ um yeah thats my point they are ubha duded who pwned your lvl 20 char xping in df and they 1 hit killed ya. now u come bitch here


they ARE powerfull but toss in high rr and u get a stealther with ip/purge and all sorts of stuff but then again i play one so im a fotm player

 

[brite]

minstrel is a very good class, which isnt about doing the damage, its about the tatics and adds a whole new world to stealthing in albion they can get inside keeps and mezz defenders stun while the other stealther can kill, albion stealthers are already better than the rest without minstrels but with them they are even greater....... wake up albion and realise you have some decent classes intsead of oh no i got pwned by this.... nerf it ..... find a way to beat it.... tactics

 

[Cami]

Originally posted by snotfor
Am i the only one wondering why minstrels have stealth and climb walls ability?

[whine] oho h oh oh ohohohoh, and rouge with chain !!!111oneoneone [/whine]

 

[Derric]

What good is Climb Walls when you don't have Detect Hidden?
So you can climb up and get PA'd?
Or have I missed the endless hordes of minstrels bravely climbing into keeps wtfpwning with their overpowered AE mez? oO

 

[Fafnir]

Originally posted by Derric
What good is Climb Walls when you don't have Detect Hidden?
So you can climb up and get PA'd?
Or have I missed the endless hordes of minstrels bravely climbing into keeps wtfpwning with their overpowered AE mez? oO

Yes they totally owned my lvl6 hunter in Blendrake 1 minstrel and 4 infils.

 

[old.linnet]

It's because they don't get camouflage or detect hidden.

Stealth was very weak for minstrels, so they added some extra tricks to the line for that class (which still won't help you actually use it to scout).

And sure, skalds could use some help (shield instead of parry frex), but they've never been stealthers. I'd concentrate on trying to get more tank-type stuff.

 

[Fafnir]

Originally posted by Addlcove
their DD's hurts quite a bit there´s a huge recast time on those.... and they can´t have a pet and play a song/chant at the same time.

Hmmm both skalds and thanes dd's are on longer recast timer so why whine about thoose? And one of dds is better that both Thane and Skald. The 2nd is about the same. You got chain and stealth, dont really think thoose two are so good combination, since chain should make more noice than leather, and be easier to detect even at higher lvl stealth.

You can charm red con mobs. Yes i've seen minstrels with red con horses from Odin in Uppland. And skalds cant either use more than 1 chant at a time that i know off.

I really think that the skald class should have get fixed before minstrels got their climb wall etc. They have far more to offer already than the skald have. Sure skald do more meele damage but mistrel got stun. And you should be happy that more than 1 class got power regen, mid got 1 class, healer and we know how many of thoose we have.

But then again its the differences of the classes that makes the game more fun to play.

 

[ignore]

Originally posted by Fafnir
You can charm red con mobs. Yes i've seen minstrels with red con horses from Odin in Uppland.

Steveirwin did a booboo on you?

 

[Jenkz]

last i saw this was a thread about minstrels not skalds and healers?

i have a recently dinged lvl 50 minstrel (that my partner hashad at low level since beginning f retail, so not fotm), i run around in HW a lot with it, and frankly, it sucks at low RR, it does ok, probably better than any albion non stealth class solo, but until it has purge/IP its not worth its time really

i too was baffled when they added the stealth abilities to minstrel, but one could argue the addition was more fluff than anything solid. as mentioned above the minstrel is easily spotted entering the keep, and once inside it can do little more than mez/stun/insta DD.

multiple minstrels+infils climbing wall to take a keep is questionable, though, considering no other realm has that ability.

 

[Fafnir]

Originally posted by Jenkz
last i saw this was a thread about minstrels not skalds and healers?

Yes its about minstrels but i posted about skalds so you know you are far better off than your counterpart the skald of Midgard. And still you whine about how sucky your class is. Guess you wont give up until minstrels get a castable nuke that insta kill a fg.

I've heard minstrels is a great class if you know how to play it. But what i've seen from Alb/excal most minstrels just put on their regen songs sits down and go afk.

Originally posted by ignore
Steveirwin did a booboo on you?

Yup on my shaman, and when i went back to find him with Fafnir he was no where in sight.

 

[maxgirth]

Originally posted by Laston
cause ministrels are from guild of shadow (thats name i think) witch are all stealthy bastards

Other renowned stealthers from GoS including:- the rogue merc and assassin cabbie

 

[Jenkz]

Originally posted by Fafnir
Yes its about minstrels but i posted about skalds so you know you are far better off than your counterpart the skald of Midgard. And still you whine about how sucky your class is. Guess you wont give up until minstrels get a castable nuke that insta kill a fg.

dont see anyone stating that minstrel sucks here. i see people saying it shouldnt have stealth and CW. we all know skald is worse off than minstrel. you really do not have to turn every single discussion on this forum into a "omg mid is worse off...." whinge.

 

[Fafnir]

The so called whine is directed at Addlcove. And i dont see any whine in my first post, if i had posted more like

Ohh ffs you bloody minstrels can charm red con mobs. etc, that would have been a whine. I just compared a few minstrel abilities that Addlcove posted about, to the ones of skalds and Thanes.

But then again, as soon as you post something on this board there is alway someone that see's it as whine. But then again you are whining about my posts. So you are no better

 

[snotfor]

Since I was the initiator of the thread, I kinda have a saying when it comes to what i meant with this thread.
Jenkz has got my point exactly.
My problem is that atm albion is able with a little cunning to get a couple of powerfull groups inside a keep without having to ask the gatekeeper or guards first :s
My reply about giving skalds same ability maybe were a little too fast, but my point is why change the balance on this particular point?

 

[Fafnir]

Yes giving minstrels cw abilities, have opened some options for albs that no other realm will have.

 

[Jenkz]

they will probably give the ability to archers and add a third door to the lord rooms, or something

 

[Fafnir]

Originally posted by Jenkz
they will probably give the ability to archers and add a third door to the lord rooms, or something

Would be scouts then Yes a third door on the tower would be a great idea. Its a bit silly you can just rush the lord after the gates are down. Most real keeps had a so called stronghold or what ever it was called as main building, with another sturdy set of doors.

 

[vestax]

Originally posted by snotfor
Fair enough the minstrel needed flair... but there are many other ways going about giving em that.
And tbh why not give skald the same 2 things (stealth and cw), they suffer from exactly the same probs?

Skalds can use 2h!

 

[snotfor]

so what... they still hit slow and tbh would u rather have 2h than stealth and cw??
read the whole thread b4 replying imo, as i said later i might have been too fast saying what i said about giving skalds the same skill

 

[Kerram Darktyde]

Originally posted by vestax
Skalds can use 2h!

Sigh
Ooo an alb stating that Mids get 2Handers
You can stick the 2hander where the sun dont shine

Mid 2 hander is more of a curse than a gift..

alb/hibs 2 hander do more damage have styles but cost spec points
Mid 2 hander does less damage has no styles over one handed but does have increased stamina usage

imho = out

so cant be used in any other arguement...

else you get into the why is albion the only realm with 3 stealthers, 2 CWers only realm with anti mezz buffs etc etc

bottom line is Mythic cant balance clases to save thier lives (proven by the cockups done to all realms)
they will fob off thier sub payers for as long as they can with we will fix we promise answers bring out TOA grab more loot then if they can be assed balance in thier own bumbling style

 

[old.Morchaoron]

Originally posted by Derric
What good is Climb Walls when you don't have Detect Hidden?
So you can climb up and get PA'd?
Or have I missed the endless hordes of minstrels bravely climbing into keeps wtfpwning with their overpowered AE mez? oO

climb up, you get pa'd (300 damage on my 1800 hps ohhh how scary), you insta shout the sb kid for 9 secs and damage shout him, then he gets pa'd to hell by 4 other infils

its lovely...

its also fun when 2 stealthers are having a duel on keep wall and the sb wants to run from a fight cuz his end buff expired and you stun him

minstrels dont really kill things on keeps like infils do, but they make it much easier for infils and much harder for mids/hibs

 

[Nightchill]

Some of my most fun times as a minst have been in stealth groups, and on keep raids Go up with a few infs, they'll PA, I'll dd,dd,stun (stop them running off) and voila. Repeat every 20 seconds.

 

[rynnor]

Originally posted by Nightchill
Some of my most fun times as a minst have been in stealth groups, and on keep raids Go up with a few infs, they'll PA, I'll dd,dd,stun (stop them running off) and voila. Repeat every 20 seconds.

On that note theres nothing more fun than pbaeing stealthers on the climb points so keep em coming - looking forward to killing lovely mincers on the climb points next patch

 

[Nightchill]

I get hit a lot going up but I've never been killed Can easily just drop off and, as was said above, a quick stun and the Infs are PAing away.

 

[Flesh]

Re: Re: minstrels having stealth and cw

Originally posted by Addlcove
... and they can´t have a pet and play a song/chant at the same time.

That's bollocks.
A minstrel can have a pet and still run 2 songs + possibly ablative as well.
Granted you have to twist, and the majority of level 50 alb/pryd mincers can't do it. But that's because they lack teh sk1llz!1!!one!1