Minstrel temp

[Kahvi]

What you think about this one..

Config Report

Stats

Str: 91 Int: 0 Hits: 280
Con: 93 Pie: 0 Power: 0
Dex: 0 Cha: 75
Qui: 81 Emp: 0

Resists

Body: 26 Energy: 26 Crush: 29 (2)
Cold: 25 Matter: 19 Thrust: 27
Heat: 25 Spirit: 20 (5) Slash: 29 (3)

Skills

3 Instruments

10 Stealth

11 Slash

Focus

Cap Increases

5 Qui

5 Cha

80 Hits

16 Str

16 Con

Other Bonuses

3 Melee Damage Bonus

18 AF Bonus

7 Melee Speed Bonus

5 Style Damage Bonus

Piece Listing

Chest
Name: Eirine
Level: 51 Quality: 94
AF: Bonus:
Effect 1: 15 Charisma
Effect 2: 5 Charisma Cap Increase
Effect 3: 6 Slash Resist
Effect 4: 6 Thrust Resist
Effect 5: Empty
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 34.00

Arms
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 28 Quickness - 99 perfect Airy Essence
Gem 2: 9 Cold Resist - 99 polished Icy Shielding
Gem 3: 9 Slash Resist - 99 polished Watery Shielding
Gem 4: 2 Stealth - 99 uncut Airy Battle Jewel
Utility: 64.67

Head
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 28 Strength - 99 perfect Fiery Essence
Gem 2: 9 Matter Resist - 99 polished Earthen Shielding
Gem 3: 16 Quickness - 99 polished Airy Essence
Gem 4: 3 Stealth - 99 rough Airy Battle Jewel
Utility: 62.33

Legs
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 9 Energy Resist - 99 polished Light Shielding
Gem 2: 36 Hits - 99 imperfect Blood Essence
Gem 3: 5 Stealth - 99 imperfect Airy Battle Jewel
Gem 4: 3 Slash - 99 rough Watery War Sigil
Utility: 67.00

Hands
Name: scallars
Level: 51 Quality: 94
AF: Bonus:
Effect 1: 15 Quickness
Effect 2: 15 Constitution
Effect 3: 40 Hits
Effect 4: 5 Constitution Cap Increase
Effect 5: 5 Quickness Cap Increase
Effect 6: 3 Melee Damage Bonus
Effect 7: 3 Melee Speed Bonus
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 30.00

Feet
Imbue Points: 37.0 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 7 Energy Resist - 99 imperfect Light Shielding
Gem 2: 9 Heat Resist - 99 polished Heated Shielding
Gem 3: 22 Quickness - 99 precious Airy Essence
Gem 4: 4 Slash - 99 flawed Watery War Sigil
Utility: 66.67

Right Hand
Name: Malice
Level: 51 Quality: 94
DPS: Bonus:
Effect 1: 15 Strength
Effect 2: 15 Constitution
Effect 3: 5 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 4: 5 Constitution Cap Increase
Effect 5: 40 Hits
Effect 6: 40 Hits Cap Increase
Effect 7: 5 Style Damage Bonus
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 30.00

Left Hand
Name: cyclops
Level: 51 Quality: 100
DPS: Bonus:
Effect 1: 40 Hits
Effect 2: 5 Heat Resist
Effect 3: 5 Matter Resist
Effect 4: 5 Body Resist
Effect 5: 5 Spirit Resist
Effect 6: 5 Energy Resist
Effect 7: 8 AF Bonus
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 60.00

Two Handed
Name: battler
Level: 51 Quality: 94
DPS: Bonus:
Effect 1: 15 Strength
Effect 2: 15 Dexterity
Effect 3: 6 Thrust Resist
Effect 4: 6 Crush Resist
Effect 5: 6 Slash Resist
Effect 6: 10 AF Bonus
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 56.00

Ranged
Imbue Points: 0.0 of 10 (94 Qual) Overcharge: None
Gem 1: Empty -
Gem 2: Empty -
Gem 3: Empty -
Gem 4: Empty -
Utility: 0.00

Neck
Name: ancient
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 10 Crush Resist
Effect 2: 10 Thrust Resist
Effect 3: 10 Body Resist
Effect 4: 10 Spirit Resist
Effect 5: Empty
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 80.00

Cloak
Name: antalya
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 18 Constitution
Effect 2: 4 Slash
Effect 3: 15 Strength
Effect 4: 6 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 5: 6 Constitution Cap Increase
Effect 6: 2 Melee Speed Bonus
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 42.00

Jewel
Name: ToA
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 15 Acuity
Effect 2: 3 Instruments
Effect 3: 40 Hits
Effect 4: 10 AF Bonus
Effect 5: Empty
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 35.00

Belt
Name: lava
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 6 Body Resist
Effect 2: 6 Heat Resist
Effect 3: 44 Hits
Effect 4: 15 Constitution
Effect 5: 15 Strength
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 55.00

Right Ring
Name: bane
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Bonus:
Effect 1: 30 Charisma
Effect 2: 30 Constitution
Effect 3: 11 Cold Resist
Effect 4: Empty
Effect 5: Empty
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 62.00

Left Ring
Name: crocring
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 5 Heat Resist
Effect 2: 5 Cold Resist
Effect 3: 5 Energy Resist
Effect 4: 5 Matter Resist
Effect 5: 5 Body Resist
Effect 6: 15 Acuity
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 60.00

Right Wrist
Name: cyclone
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 11 Thrust Resist
Effect 2: 11 Crush Resist
Effect 3: 11 Slash Resist
Effect 4: 2 Melee Speed Bonus
Effect 5: Empty
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 66.00

Left Wrist
Name: CB2
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 18 Strength
Effect 2: 40 Hits
Effect 3: 5 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 4: 40 Hits Cap Increase
Effect 5: 6 Crush Resist
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 34.00

 

[Kahvi]

i guess its good then

 

[Raguel]

crapjewel imo, rest looks nice

 

[Void959]

Firstly do NOT count the hits, con, hitscap and concap on weapons and sheild for a minstrel template. When you switch to an instrument all the hits are instantly lost and only start regenerating when you switching back to the weapon, so in 90% of fights you simply won't have these hps to rely on. This immediately cuts 80 hits plus the con and caps from malice. Malice is still worth using for the proc imo, but cyclops once you discount the hits is low utility, so unless you Really want the SL get rid of it.

Apart from that the stats look pretty nice, except the gem which is rubbish tbh - theres no need for instruments in a RvR template unless you run with pets, in which case they need capping. Also many minstels include SOM and WH for the proc and /use2 aura respectively, these are particularly useful if you intend on soloing a lot and worth losing a little utility for.

 

[Train]

Cap melee speed and melee damage - you'll need it.
Eirene's Hauberk has bonus to spell range and bonus to magic damage
in addition to what you wrote. If you have 5 cap to charisma, why not
use it? Furthermore, GoV is way better for minstrels then Eirene's Hauberk.

 

[Arelas]

This one are my template to my mincer


Config Report

Stats


Str: 81
Int: 0
Hits: 224
Con: 75
Pie: 0
Power: 0
Dex: 85
Cha: 75
Qui: 28
Emp: 0


Resists

Body: 20
Energy: 22
Crush: 27 (2)
Cold: 23
Matter: 23
Thrust: 29
Heat: 22
Spirit: 22 (5)
Slash: 34 (3)


Skills

2 thrust
7 stealth
6 slash



Cap Increases


15 Dex
80 Hits
12 Con
11 Str


Other Bonuses

5 Buff bonus
20 AF bonus
11 Melee Speed Bonus
13 Melee Damage Bonus
6 Style Damage Bonus
4 Spell Range bonus
4 Spell Damage Bpnus
4 Fatigue


Piece Listing

Chest
Name: Guard of Valour - Mincer (har jeg)
Level: 51 Quality: 100
AF: Bonus:
Effect 1: 40 Hits
Effect 2: 5 cap Strength
Effect 3: 18 Strength
Effect 4: 15 Dexterity
Effect 5: 5 cap Dexterity
Effect 6: 4 Melee Damage Bonus
Effect 7: 4 Style Damage Bonus
Effect 8: 4 Spell Damage Bonus
Effect 9: 4 Spell Range Bonus

Utility: 32.0

Arms (har jeg)
Imbue Points: 32.5 of 28 (99 Qual) Overcharge: 50%
Gem 1: 22 Charisma - 99 precious Icy Essence
Gem 2: 16 Constitution - 99 polished Earthen Essence
Gem 3: 7 Matter Resist - 99 imperfect Earthen Shielding
Gem 4: 7 Energy Resist - 99 imperfect LIght Shielding

Utility: 53.3

Head (har jeg)
Imbue Points: 32.5 of 28 (99 Qual) Overcharge: 50%
Gem 1: 22 Charisma - 99 precious Icy Essence
Gem 2: 16 Constitution - 99 polished Earthen Essence
Gem 3: 7 Spirit Resist - 99 imperfect Vapor Shielding
Gem 4: 7 Cold Resist - 99 imperfect Icy Shielding

Utility: 53.3

Legs (har jeg)
Imbue Points: 32.0 of 28 (99 Qual) Overcharge: 50%
Gem 1: 22 Dexterity - 99 precious Vapor Essence
Gem 2: 16 Charisma - 99 polished Icy Essence
Gem 3: 4 Slash - 99 flawed Watery War Sigil
Gem 4: 5 Energy Resist - 99 flawed Light Shielding

Utility: 55.3

Hands
Name: Maddening Scalars (har jeg)
Level: 51 Quality: 100
AF: Bonus:
Effect 1: 15 Constitution
Effect 2: 15 Dexterity
Effect 3: 5 cap Constitution
Effect 4: 5 cap Dexterity
Effect 5: 3 Melee Speed Bonus
Effect 6: 3 Melee Damage Bonus

Utility: 30.0

Feet
Name: Arcanium Soot Blackened Boots (har jeg)
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Effect 1: 18 Strength
Effect 2: 18 Constitution
Effect 3: 40 Hits
Effect 4: 6 cap Strength
Effect 5: 7 cap Contitution

Utility: 34.0

Right Hand
Name: Bane of Battler (har jeg)
Level: 51 Quality: 100
DPS: 16.5 Bonus:
Effect 1: 15 Dexterity
Effect 2: 15 Strength
Effect 3: 6 Crush Resist
Effect 4: 6 Thrust Resist
Effect 5: 6 Slash Resist
Effect 6: 3 Melee Speed Bonus
Effect 7: 4 Melee Damage Bonus
Effect 8: 10 AF Bonus

Utility: 56.0

Left Hand (har jeg)
Name: Arcanium Enchanted Runed Defender
Level: 51 Quality: 94
DPS: Bonus:
Effect 1: 8 Slash Resist
Effect 2: 8 Crush Resist
Effect 3: 8 Thrust Resist
Effect 4: 13 Quickness
Effect 5: 4 Stealth

Utility: 76.7

2 Handed (har jeg)
Name: Duskwood Thunder Skin
Level: 51 Quality: 100
DPS: Bonus:
Effect 1: 6 Slash Resist
Effect 2: 6 Thrust Resist
Effect 3: 6 Crush Resist
Effect 4: 10 Spell Duration Bonus
Effect 5: 5 Buff bonus

Utility: 36.0

Ranged
Name: Duskwood Siren's Call
Level: 51 Quality: 100
DPS: Bonus:
Effect 1: 6 Slash Resist
Effect 2: 6 Thrust Resist
Effect 3: 6 Crush Resist
Effect 4: 6 Intruments

Utility: 66.0

Neck
Name: Choker of Dispute (har jeg)
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Bonus:
Effect 1: 6 Heat Resist
Effect 2: 6 Matter Resist
Effect 3: 6 Body Resist
Effect 4: 6 Spirit Resist
Effect 5: 6 Energy Resist

Utility: 60.0

Cloak
Name: Shades of Mist (har jeg)
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Bonus:
Effect 1: 3 Stealth
Effect 2: 15 Strength
Effect 3: 15 Quickness
Effect 4: 10 AF bonus
Effect 5: 5 Melee Speed Bonus
Effect 6: 4 Fatigue

Utility: 35.0

Jewel
Name: Gem of Lost Memories (har jeg)
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Bonus:
Effect 1: 10 Constitution
Effect 2: 24 Hits
Effect 3: 4 Matter Resist
Effect 4: 4 Body Resist
Effect 5: 2 All Melee Skill Bonus
Effect 6: 2 Melee Damage Bonus
Effect 7: 2 Style Damge Bonus

Utility: 38.7

Belt
Name: Oglidarshe's belt (har jeg)
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Bonus: 35
Effect 1: 15 Strength
Effect 2: 40 Hits
Effect 3: 3 Crush Resist
Effect 4: 3 Slash Resist
Effect 5: 3 Thrust Resist
Effect 6: 40 cap Hits

Utility: 38.0

Right Ring
Name: Crocodile's Tears Ring (har jeg)
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Bonus: 0
Effect 1: 4 Heat Resist
Effect 2: 4 Cold Resist
Effect 3: 4 Energy Resist
Effect 4: 4 Spirit Resist
Effect 5: 4 Body Resist
Effect 6: 15 Acuity

Utility: 50.0

Left Ring
Name: Demon Blood Ring
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Bonus: 0
Effect 1: 8 Slash Resist
Effect 2: 8 Crush Resist
Effect 3: 6 Thrust Resist
Effect 4: 6 Heat Resist
Effect 5: 6 Cold Resist

Utility: 68.0

Right Wrist
Name: Ceremonial Bracer (dex) (har jeg)
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Bonus:
Effect 1: 18 Dexterity
Effect 2: 40 Hits
Effect 3: 5 Dexterity Cap Increase
Effect 4: 40 Hits Cap Increase
Effect 5: 6 Thrust Resist

Utility: 34.00

Left Wrist
Name: Ebon hide bracer
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Bonus:
Effect 1: 6 Body Resist
Effect 2: 6 Cold Resist
Effect 3: 6 Heat Resist
Effect 4: 6 Slash Resist
Effect 5: 6 Matter Resist

Utility: 60.00

 

[Arkian]

Apart from that the stats look pretty nice, except the gem which is rubbish tbh - theres no need for instruments in a RvR template unless you run with pets

Actually this is one of the biggest load of bollocks myths currently circulating DAoC, +Instruments along with Charisma add to your insta DD damage, and in a way that's amounting to as much extra damage as your toa melee bonuses are likely to get you. Don't believe me? perform a controled test and you'll see the difference.

 

[Riderich]

Actually this is one of the biggest load of bollocks myths currently circulating DAoC, +Instruments along with Charisma add to your insta DD damage, and in a way that's amounting to as much extra damage as your toa melee bonuses are likely to get you. Don't believe me? perform a controled test and you'll see the difference.

Hitting my bb with 0% body resist for 227 and 262 with 194 charisma, and no +instr. And with +11 instr I hit it for 238 and 274. There you go, a controled test.

 

[eggy]

Hi rid

 

[Arkian]

So you proved that +instruments increased your damage, that's what I said it would do.

Now run the same test on the effect of charisma and you'll find that the +11 instruments gives you around the same damage boost as roughly an extra 20 charisma, with the damage boost getting larger as charisma increases.

So lots of Cha+ins = a good thing, and yes you can even fit it into your build.

If you want to argue about the numbers, do some testing on how much of a damage boost you exactly get per point of str, weapon, and toa melee dmg, style - run as many permutations as you can, then discover that it's worthwhile fitting it +ins in as well.

 

[rampant]

also get mof to bring up the level of the DD spells to 50 - you will see a lot less resists

 

[pbaz]

If you want to argue about the numbers, do some testing on how much of a damage boost you exactly get per point of str, weapon, and toa melee dmg, style - run as many permutations as you can, then discover that it's worthwhile fitting it +ins in as well.

Don't forget to take into account the fact that you'll get 7-8 swings in melee for each 15 seconds between DD's.

Just because the DD's frontload nicely doesn't make them a mincers primary form of damage output...

PS. I agree, however, that if you do have the imbue space in your template then +inst and +char cap are worth having.

 

[Arkian]

Was merely pointing out that +inst does have an effect other than for controlling pets. In your example rid, +11 inst gave you roughly a 4.5% increase in spell damage. There's a great number of people who imply that it has no effect whatsoever. Often you can get a better boost by not just trying to max out just the one area (e.g. str, +melee damage %, and neglecting other areas).

 

[Kahvi]

Config Report

Stats

Str: 91 Int: 0 Hits: 280
Con: 93 Pie: 0 Power: 0
Dex: 15 Cha: 75
Qui: 81 Emp: 0

Resists

Body: 27 Energy: 25 Crush: 26 (2)
Cold: 22 Matter: 16 Thrust: 24
Heat: 26 Spirit: 15 (5) Slash: 30 (3)

Skills

3 Instruments

11 Stealth

11 Slash

Focus

Cap Increases

5 Qui

5 Cha

80 Hits

16 Str

16 Con

Other Bonuses

5 Fatigue

3 Melee Damage Bonus

20 AF Bonus

5 Melee Speed Bonus

5 Style Damage Bonus

Piece Listing

Chest
Name: Eirine
Level: 51 Quality: 94
AF: Bonus:
Effect 1: 15 Charisma
Effect 2: 5 Charisma Cap Increase
Effect 3: 6 Slash Resist
Effect 4: 6 Thrust Resist
Effect 5: Empty
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 34.00

Arms
Imbue Points: 37.0 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 28 Quickness - 99 perfect Airy Essence
Gem 2: 36 Hits - 99 imperfect Blood Essence
Gem 3: 7 Slash Resist - 99 imperfect Watery Shielding
Gem 4: 4 Stealth - 99 flawed Airy Battle Jewel
Utility: 61.67

Head
Name: winged
Level: 51 Quality: 94
AF: Bonus:
Effect 1: 15 Strength
Effect 2: 15 Dexterity
Effect 3: 5 Matter Resist
Effect 4: 40 Hits
Effect 5: 10 AF Bonus
Effect 6: 5 Fatigue
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 40.00

Legs
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 25 Quickness - 99 flawless Airy Essence
Gem 2: 9 Energy Resist - 99 polished Light Shielding
Gem 3: 3 Stealth - 99 rough Airy Battle Jewel
Gem 4: 4 Slash - 99 flawed Watery War Sigil
Utility: 69.67

Hands
Name: scallars
Level: 51 Quality: 94
AF: Bonus:
Effect 1: 15 Quickness
Effect 2: 15 Constitution
Effect 3: 40 Hits
Effect 4: 5 Constitution Cap Increase
Effect 5: 5 Quickness Cap Increase
Effect 6: 3 Melee Damage Bonus
Effect 7: 3 Melee Speed Bonus
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 30.00

Feet
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 11 Energy Resist - 99 faceted Light Shielding
Gem 2: 13 Strength - 99 imperfect Fiery Essence
Gem 3: 9 Heat Resist - 99 polished Heated Shielding
Gem 4: 3 Slash - 99 rough Watery War Sigil
Utility: 63.67

Right Hand
Name: Malice
Level: 51 Quality: 94
DPS: Bonus:
Effect 1: 15 Strength
Effect 2: 15 Constitution
Effect 3: 5 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 4: 5 Constitution Cap Increase
Effect 5: 40 Hits
Effect 6: 40 Hits Cap Increase
Effect 7: 5 Style Damage Bonus
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 30.00

Left Hand
Name: ench
Level: 51 Quality: 94
DPS: Bonus:
Effect 1: 8 Crush Resist
Effect 2: 8 Thrust Resist
Effect 3: 4 Stealth
Effect 4: 8 Slash Resist
Effect 5: 13 Quickness
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 76.67

Two Handed
Name: battler
Level: 51 Quality: 94
DPS: Bonus:
Effect 1: 15 Strength
Effect 2: 15 Dexterity
Effect 3: 6 Thrust Resist
Effect 4: 6 Crush Resist
Effect 5: 6 Slash Resist
Effect 6: 10 AF Bonus
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 56.00

Ranged
Imbue Points: 0.0 of 10 (94 Qual) Overcharge: None
Gem 1: Empty -
Gem 2: Empty -
Gem 3: Empty -
Gem 4: Empty -
Utility: 0.00

Neck
Name: ancient
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 10 Crush Resist
Effect 2: 10 Thrust Resist
Effect 3: 10 Body Resist
Effect 4: 10 Spirit Resist
Effect 5: Empty
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 80.00

Cloak
Name: antalya
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 18 Constitution
Effect 2: 4 Slash
Effect 3: 15 Strength
Effect 4: 6 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 5: 6 Constitution Cap Increase
Effect 6: 2 Melee Speed Bonus
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 42.00

Jewel
Name: ToA
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 15 Acuity
Effect 2: 3 Instruments
Effect 3: 40 Hits
Effect 4: 10 AF Bonus
Effect 5: Empty
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 35.00

Belt
Name: lava
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 6 Body Resist
Effect 2: 6 Heat Resist
Effect 3: 44 Hits
Effect 4: 15 Constitution
Effect 5: 15 Strength
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 55.00

Right Ring
Name: bane
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Bonus:
Effect 1: 30 Charisma
Effect 2: 30 Constitution
Effect 3: 11 Cold Resist
Effect 4: Empty
Effect 5: Empty
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 62.00

Left Ring
Name: crocring
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 5 Heat Resist
Effect 2: 5 Cold Resist
Effect 3: 5 Energy Resist
Effect 4: 5 Matter Resist
Effect 5: 5 Body Resist
Effect 6: 15 Acuity
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 60.00

Right Wrist
Name: ebon
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 6 Body Resist
Effect 2: 6 Cold Resist
Effect 3: 6 Heat Resist
Effect 4: 6 Slash Resist
Effect 5: 6 Matter Resist
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 60.00

Left Wrist
Name: CB2
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 18 Strength
Effect 2: 40 Hits
Effect 3: 5 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 4: 40 Hits Cap Increase
Effect 5: 6 Crush Resist
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 34.00

 

[Void959]

Was merely pointing out that +inst does have an effect other than for controlling pets. In your example rid, +11 inst gave you roughly a 4.5% increase in spell damage. There's a great number of people who imply that it has no effect whatsoever. Often you can get a better boost by not just trying to max out just the one area (e.g. str, +melee damage %, and neglecting other areas).

Actually you misread my original post, I did not say that instruments have no effect other that pet level, rather that "theres no need for instruments in a RvR template unless you run with pets". So yes you did 'prove' that +inst increases DD damage but nobody here was ever disputing that. The fact is that most minstrels do know this but choose not to use +inst because the gain is so small.

I did do some testing on the effect of char in case you're not convinced:
Against lvl 50 bot with 0% body resists, with 190 cha I hit for 225/259. With 115 cha I hit for 180/208. That's a 25% increase in damage for 75 points of cha, compared to 4.5% increase for +11 inst.

So +15 charisma will give the roughly the same gain as +11 inst and at a fraction of the utility cost. I'll let you draw your own conclusions from that and if you honestly still think its worth taking up template space with +inst then so be it, but its not hard to so why the vast majority of minstrels disagree.

 

[Arkian]

Yes I know how much both of charisma and instruments affect DD damage, I've done a fair bit of testing against all kinds of resist levels, AOM etc etc. If you test it enough you'll also find that the boost from +instruments gets larger as charisma goes higher, but that's getting away from what I was trying and looks like failing to express properly

Perhaps I did read what you originally posted in a way that you didn't intend, and for that I appologise, but I think you'd also be surprised at the number of minstrels who think it has no effect at all.

The main point was that depending on your template it maybe possible (and i've seen templates that do it) fit in +instruments in addition to other stats/skills. And for a particular setup, you may find out you can get in +3 instruments into your template easier than srabbling around for an extra 5 charisma cap, with the +3 instruments netting you a larger damage boost than an extra 5 charisma (it does btw) which you may be looking to get from charisma cap

It was only ever intended as a bit of advice from somebody who's done a god awfull number of templates for all kinds of classes, more a xen like 'balance is key' than anything else.

Anyway's I'll give it up as a bad job now.

I'll get my coat .......