midgard must have rezz problems

[old.ondor]

last night at emain we killed some peeps at mmg near the midgard zerg and nobody rezz them...

or u have many careless bastards
or u have problems with rezzers..

 

[old.Hellskor]

Shamies = Buffbots (most of them), or low on mana
Healers = probably the most boring class in the entire game, even though the most important

And we don't have a 3rd rezzer class like the other realms.

 

[Fafnir]

Can say, 80% of the healers/shamans do their best to rezz. When they see someone dead. Some of them you have to ask. But remember a few days ago at mpk, when you albs camped us, and killed a few of us, i saw most mids rezzed including me. But there where 2-3 that where left for dead even when they called for help in the cg.

But i have utter respect for the healers shamans of our realm they are doin an outstanding job. Pity we dont have more of them. I tried to make both a shaman and healer but i'm more of a meele guy. And i even learned not to use mjolnir all the time..

 

[Fafnir]

Originally posted by old.Hellskor
Shamies = Buffbots (most of them), or low on mana
Healers = probably the most boring class in the entire game, even though the most important

And we don't have a 3rd rezzer class like the other realms.

*Cough* *Cough* Spiritmasters ghetto rezz, lvl 23 summoning. I think we got loads of theese spiritmasters out there. Nico, Roo, Noita... Hmmm guess not who would gimp himself just to get a shitty rezz like this one. Played my brothers zerk abit this weekend on MLF server and there was atleast one Spiritmaster with rezz, i died again and was rezzed by a guildie and got full hits back.

 

[Twiz]

Originally posted by old.Hellskor
Healers = probably the most boring class in the entire game, even though the most important

Have you ever tried the healer class?

Healers are not so boring as you say. They are only boring if you just stand and heal all the way to lvl 50.

My healer is more of a fighter than a healer, and why? because l don't want to just stand and heal.

If/when you play a healer class, you have to make it fun



To reply to Ondor, then yes, midgard are short of healers/shammies. I have been in emain pretty many times, where there were only me, or if l am lucky one other healer.
The question is, why there aint many healers in midgard. Well if you get spammed by tons of ppl's about rezz, buffs, heals etc, (this part can scare tons of healers wannabies away) you get a bit annoyed , specally when they know you are the only healer around and they dont get it, that you are out of mana, so they call you whatever they like. Other times, the ppl's you rezz, dies constantly of foolish acts (their constant search for rp's), l usually say if they die again, they wont get any rezz.
It might sound harsh, but if you are a lone healer around, you dont have time or mana to rezz ppl's.

Yes midgard needs healers badly.

-T

 

[Old Nicodemus]

I think we got loads of theese spiritmasters out there. Nico, Roo, Noita... Hmmm guess not who would gimp himself just to get a shitty rezz like this one.

<cough, cough>

Me.

I'm gimped because I am already specced for it. I will give the rezz probably one week. Then if I am not convinced I'm respeccing.

Nicodemus

 

[old.Anoushka]

Hellskor

before voicing such nonsense I strongly suggest first to try it our yourself and then speak to some senior healers/shammies in this realm

Shamies = Buffbots (most of them), or low on mana
Healers = probably the most boring class in the entire game, even though the most important

I have a 50 Skald (Eni) and a 50 Healer (Numia) next to junior Huntress and Runey.

Numia has become my main and preferred char by far. It is a DAMN challenging class where ur senses must be alert... ALWAYS.

U are the main and primary target of ALL enemies being it in a zerg of infiltrators, U are a key attack support class. U must focus on keeping all those tanks in your grp alive in attack and the casters in defense. U must constantly take decisions where to stand and how to support and who gets ur priorities.

The only annoying thing is that a LOT of Middies have yet failed to realize that one should not leave seers alone in combat, forget to protect them from infils and let them go alone on rezz jobs...

But it is getting better, ppl are learning to work together much more now and we are growing stronger...

But Hellskor, please use ur brains before u speak up in here !!
(I am speaking in the name of all the seers who would gladly motivate a LOT of other Midgardians to choose this extremely challenging and motivating career path)

Numia

 

[Fafnir]

Originally posted by old.Nicodemus /Pryd


<cough, cough>

Me.

I'm gimped because I am already specced for it. I will give the rezz probably one week. Then if I am not convinced I'm respeccing.

Nicodemus

Wow you specced for it.. You have to try it out on me..
I thought all sm's went for dark/supp. Boy was i wrong hehehe.

 

[blain]

The most annoying thing about being a healer.

In Spindel scavs room

Blain sends to xxx "Room in your group for healer?"
xxx sends to Blain "Sry, your too low level" or
"Sry, Guild group" or
"Sry, i want all the exp for myself"

10 mins later
xxx sends to Blain "Can you rez me plz"

 

[Hufner]

/starts thinking of dusting off his ickle lvl25 healer

/remembers all the other alts he has that needs attention

/stands confused and decisionless

 

[Fafnir]

It would be so cool if you could play two chars from the same account at the same time. Then i guess we would have a lot more healers, for all thoose soloers. I solo'd alot think 70% of my lvls and had the macro /release used until it broke.

 

[old.Anoushka]

Within the Amazons of Midgard we strongly encourage all our members to try out a seer.

Some ppl will stick on it, others desist but at least all tried it out for some 20+ levels. It gives you a first understanding of the big complexity of such a char. Only a first one though, as seer in Spind/Malm/DF is another very difficult art, as is being a seer in the early BGs. The big and ultimate challenge is a seer in RvR...
... Once u did it for some time it becomes a passion as u will never learn out...

As I mentioned before, go out and try a seer, do not be disappointed in the early beginnings and stand through the behaviour of some egomaniac tanks in the different dungeons. Be patient with ppl who do not know how demanding this task is and try to ignore the constant flaming because of the mistakes which in most cases THEY themselves caused...

And to all of you wanting to flame a seer, remember that a seer is also your SUPPORT class helping you in achieving your own personal ambitions...

 

[Old Nicodemus]

Wow you specced for it..

Yep sure did. I decided a long time ago that I wanted to be Spiritmaster, Not a Dark or Supp master (would've rolled a runie for that) but a Spiritmaster.

You have to try it out on me..

Of course Faf. Be my pleasure to get a new type of pet! Muhahahahahahahahaha!

I thought all sm's went for dark/supp. Boy was i wrong hehehe.

Yep. You sure was. I specced for the all rounder. 32 dark/36supp/23 summ. Good lifetap, lovely debuffs, 55 sec mezz, a pet that can out aggro tanks in Malmo, the ability to heal my fellow Middies and soon the ability to rezz and PB DD peeps.

I don't do them all as well as other people but I sure am a useful peep to have around.

As I said though, I'll give the rezz a week. If I don't like it then I'll respecc and put all those points from Summ into another line.

3 most challenging chars to play in Midgard:

1:Spiritmaster (just so many things you can do!)
2: Healer (If you play it well you ARE the most Uber char anywhere!)
3: Hunter (If you are still playing a hunter after all those nerfs you are either insane or just damn good! )

Just my opinion.

Last month we attacked some Hibs who had taken Nottmoor. We had one Healer with us. She just OWNED! We retook the keep and all because we had a Healer who was totally evil! Mucho Respect Thjina!

Nicodemus

 

[old.Trine Aquavit]

Aye, I'm in full agreement with Anoushka here. Healer is one of the most challenging and rewarding classes in the game. Healers have to be able to focus on both multiple enemies (for crowd control) and multiple friendlies (for healing). And have to constantly make fast decisions that can seriously effect the success of the group.

I now have approx 35 separate spells and abilities on my quickbars, all of which I need to be prepared to use (and all but the 8 buffs required in combat).

Healers are involved from the start of battle (crowd control), to the end (stunning, healing, curing, rezzing). They are always busy, and always making decisions.

Healing aint boring.

 

[mavericky]

The problem I find with Rezing in RvR is that, I can Rez two lvl 50's and then I am out of power, If there is no friendly healer about with PoX then I am in Big do do's if I need to heal or root or anything, but hey, I just let my group live in fear hehe

It's a shame that Midgard doesnt have 3 rezing similar to the hibs, SM's will make a great after battle assist to the rez squad, but during it, their Power can be better used with attacking the opposing forces.

 

[Hufner]

/rests in safe knowledge that his actions during beta made at least one lvl 50 healer in live...

 

[Freia]

Originally posted by old.Anoushka

(I am speaking in the name of all the seers who would gladly motivate a LOT of other Midgardians to choose this extremely challenging and motivating career path)

Numia

Amen.

Anyone who sais healers are boring has not tried to be the only seer in lair group in malmö. For some extra excitment spice it up with a mad puller(tm), a crazy fragile nuker, a taunt-style using rogue, a jumpy peeler and why not hold the list at the same time? I promise you will not be bored

Oh and please do tell me something funnier than mezzing 10 charging tincans in one cast and watch them stand there looking stupid

Its hard for me to play characters that are not able to heal, rez or cc. I feel so... so.. so GIMPED!

 

[old.Hellskor]

doh! Wrote the post in a 5min break.
No offence ment to Healers, but compared to Shadowblades, Skalds, Runies (or about all the other classes) it's relative boring to the majority of the players
If it wouldn't, we wouldn't lack Healers so bad, right ?

Most people want to bash stuff (to say it the short way), and from what I've seen, most Healers have a hard time to solo a green/blue con mob.
Sure, it's easy to get Groups, but to depend on others isn't appealing to me at all.
Midgard is the destructive realm if you want to say so, the mentality of most people is pointed to destroy stuff (no matter what). Prolly one of the reason why Mezz won't last long as long as an AEer is nearby.

The (few) Healers we got are probably the most important people we have.

Regards

 

[Freia]

Originally posted by old.Hellskor

If it wouldn't, we wouldn't lack Healers so bad, right ?

My guess is that ppl assume its boring. Its totally different from playing some "bashing" class, true. And ofcourse that might be the most fun to some. But in a different way.

Healers have a hard time to solo a green/blue con mob.

Thats a myth. Green, Blues and even Low yellows are no probs to survive against. (we do have chain you know).
BUT it takes forever to kill stuff doing 50 dmg/swing. (otoh downtime = 0 and the power used for healing regens during the next fight )

Furthermore I heard rumors that aug healers can solo reds (best self dmgadd is +11dps compared to skalds +7.5 iirc) so thats why ya'll will be seing little Freiia around musp/vendo from time to time. But thats another story

 

[Ottar]

> Furthermore I heard rumors that aug healers can solo reds

Seen the same rumors. Full aug, low mending healers are said to outdamage skalds, while having higher HP, buffs, heals, real CC and after all, speed too.

Ottar

 

[Freia]

Originally posted by Ottar
> Furthermore I heard rumors that aug healers can solo reds

Seen the same rumors. Full aug, low mending healers are said to outdamage skalds, while having higher HP, buffs, heals, real CC and after all, speed too.
Ottar

Rather much longer timer on the instamez tho, like 2000% actually (with only like a few hundred % longer duration <CRIES>).

Anyway. I dont think we can take on reds until 1.51 in which a full specced aug healer will get:

Group 37% attack speed (that stacks with the current 20% single target one)
Self +73 con/str buf.
Self +10 dps dmgshield.

Yummy!!

 

[old.Ayam Ganbatte]

Augmentation healers are great fun to play. From an RvR perspective, before Ignore Pain came all of my one on one fights (which is the majority of my fighting) were incredibly tense and close, and so they were very enjoyable. Now when Ignore Pain is used I have to beat a hasty retreat, not much fun to have a one-sided fight. I have to say that fighting casters one on one is still a heck of a lot of fun, though, especially enchanters with your underhill zealots.

I think a lot of people want the quick glory, though, which can't be found with our prolonged fights when we're scraping little bits off the enemy over a 5 minute period. Mesmerising is taking a nose dive as well with realm abilities like Determination becoming cheaper, and healing in RvR is already too little too late, excluding instaheals.

From the perspective of a soloing RvR healer (which is pretty much the only time I use my skills), it was already a challenging and fun class specialisation to play, but recent developments may make it slightly too challenging to be any fun.

 

[akula]

lol this thread has turned into a shammy=buffbot so only talk bout healers again,

offensive shamans = most popular spec round,
ebeneezer, gama, stygga,


i'm more middle of road with higher mending, (only 46 but getting there slowly)

yes I can rezz, yes I do rezz, but i'll aim to get healers to do it first, unless i've got POM/POC or my MCL is available for use, as said above, spindel is a great example of rezzer expectancy, you go into a dungeon, ask for grp, no joy, then get asked to go to furthest possible place, along with lotsa aggro just to rezz someone, wonderful fun,

 

[Quemine]

Once upon a time I could hold back an army, now I can hardly hold back 2 enemies with my über cc'ing skills. Before, there wasn't any class in the game I feared in a duel (except for maybe smite clerics), now your enemies negates all your "offensive" skills and heals better than yourself in combat... Ain't realm abilities just great?

Playing a healer in RvR has had its fun degraded with every patch... and at 1.54f in the US, there's still no light at the end of the tunnel.

**goes vn-boards and whines a little**


Quemine

 

[zapzap]

Yes Pac healer was fun to play, Actually only a smith cleric could win a 1v1 as Q said. But with purge in the game pac healers are real boring, special when u run in to hibs with Druids and group purge. Iam sure Mythic are hoping we all respec to aug or mend healers.
In zerk time a shammy buffs = 2 of my super heals . So as it is now shammy is almost more usfull then a pac healer in RvR.
Mend line will get a nice remove mezz buff and healing will cost less power.
Augline is getting mele group buff , dps and shield buff. But the debuff shout from pac line will never come, should have benn in 1.51 but removed in 1.52.
So shammies , Rm, Sm looking to get a nice pom will soon be history I think. Again people will have to wait longer to get a rez

 

[Blood]

Originally posted by old.Nicodemus /Pryd
3: Hunter (If you are still playing a hunter after all those nerfs you are either insane or just damn good! )

I like to think even skills arent enough to make the hunter viable

 

[Blood]

In my opinion: what makes healers less played in RvR is the total dependance on others, and you are bound to get a ton of let downs / bad experiences... which in turn makes alot of people stop playing healers in RvR.

then again pac healer + fighter (+fighter) combo is perhaps one of the most fun to play in RvR, i've had the blessed oppertunity to team up with some really great healers (those that dont go afk, that constantly keeps a finger on the insta mezz, and 1 on the insta heal) like Mordia and Gmip.

Yesterday i had the best RvR experience in 9 months playing, we were 1 healer, 1 shadowblade, and 1 hunter/shadowblade (switched) in Forrest Sauvage. For several hours we repetedly encountered groups of 2-4 albs (fighters/clerics/casters), thanks Gmip's crowd control, and my sb's deadlyness, we won every battle (until outnumbered 9vs2), some of which lasted over 1 minute, of intense fighting, insta heals, heals, IP's, FA's etc... GREAT FUN. (and im very certain Gmip enjoyed it too)

But we also quickly found out that we could count on eachother to be on time, do the right things etc.. which is crucial, and almost impossible in random groups of zerg (unlike the hibs who zerg with people they know much better than middies do)

 

[Fafnir]

Its also fun for a thane, when grouped with a healer that stuns your enemy.

 

[vladamyr]

Back in the good ole days of beta when 1 buff would make me scream out loud WOW! i grouped with a healer called archeon (old friend from mir) playing with him actually made me want to make a healer alt he was sooo cool could ress me heal me mezz adds. And for anyone who says healers or shamans are boring your wrong, im sick of people saying that classes which theyve NEVER played suck or are boring etc cos if u havent played em u dont know, simple. In my oppinion healers and shamans are a cool class they aint buff or heal bots or any type of bots they are an important neccesity to our realm and if your not allowed in a grp and ask for a rezz simple dont give em one or blackmail em

 

[doneagle]

Originally posted by akula
lol this thread has turned into a shammy=buffbot so only talk bout healers again,

offensive shamans = most popular spec round,
ebeneezer, gama, stygga,

I'm a shammy myself. Anjoyed every minute of my daoc time. Specced in cave and really enjoying the versatility of the class, heal, dot, bolt, root, rezz, ...

I hate buffbots and when you come in agroup ppl tell you your buffs could be better... I'm no fekking buffbot, no healer but a cave mistress ffs ... So when you see me, adress me like it

/em holds whip ready