Middle age crisis

[ShiShi]

Hi there everybody!

recently i noticed i have been passing (still being into it) a kinda middleage (read middle lvl ) crisis...

All my alts are by now around some lvl 40, and i find exping definitely SLOW....

Firstly I can blame myself for not carrying on lvling 1 char till 50, but playing 3 of them , sure...well, I like vary the style of play, it's part of fun for me...

Secondly, I can't really play like 6hs per day, which makes the slowness feeling even deeper..making few bubs per day (which is the good day actually) is a real pain...

Now, what's my point?
Moaning, hehe
oki, but seriously
I have been playing Diablo 2 b4 for like 2 years, the max lvl there was 99, also reaching it was equivalent of hours of boring, repetitive exping...i never did that, all my chars (some 10+ of these which i played most) settled in between lvl 80 and 92, which was far enough to kill stuff and do some pvp ....
you could compare it to some lvl 40-45 daoc...
but here things are different:
1st of all for some classes you really want and need that lvl 50 in order to get some spec skills, 2nd you need a decent lvl in order to score in rvr (the min lvl as all should agree varies for different classes, being higher for melees, lower for range attackers and support classes)

So oki, we have a clear point, you need hit some decent lvl, otherwise you'd be doing nothing ingame, and assist in rvr...
But now comes this hugely slow and boring exping, ppl in hib spending days/weeks in CF killing fins/pooks or whatever...
Where is the sense of it?
I'd say make exp faster and easier...(apparently b4 last patches it was even slower which makes me feel pitty for all these who played this game b4 me)
oki, so now maybe some would come and flame be => go play, exp like others , deserve that lvl! or leave play other game!
well, i love this game
some could say, if it would be easier the game would be filled with lvl 50s , what's the fun...
well, i think the fun is about being this lvl 50 and do rvr...
If mythic thinks I (or others) would leave this game getting bored by being lvl 50 and doing rvr , they wrong...i certainly would not...
I am right now getting frustrated and bored about spending hs killing the same mobs in CF...
if exping was easier, it would only push me to play it more, try more classes, even purchase a 2nd account and try more more classes...
now it's more like: ok, lvl 50 by xmas? hmm, will see....

if only the BG formula worked... now it's only Thidranki, oh great time there! indeed! but laters on, nothing, exping exping exping hs/days/weeks....

and please, dun get me wrong guys, i dont say here you should be able to reach lvl 50 in 1 week, not at all
I just say there is something wrong here, and some part of the fun is lost, too bad

take care
S.

 

[Danya]

xping in daoc is easy as far as MMORPGs go, I think they should have left it as it is not reduced the difficulty tbh. Making it too easy cheapens the sense of achievement of actually hitting 50.

 

[Damon_D]

that might be, but its still boring as hell

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

Extremely boring, but if you just xp a lot each day without going to rvr you can actually gain quite a lot per day, and when you finally hit 50 the feeling will be great.

 

[old.Plebo]

Originally posted by Dannyn
xping in daoc is easy as far as MMORPGs go, I think they should have left it as it is not reduced the difficulty tbh. Making it too easy cheapens the sense of achievement of actually hitting 50.

But the casual player, which is likely a large proportion of GOA/Mythics revenue would not then be able to get their character to level 50. Then they'd be missing out on a lot of the game.

My only character is level 43 atm, and I have played since Prydwen started (March 02, I think it was).

I can't spend any more time of DAoC than I currently do, due to work, home and girlfriend commitments. I have /played of about 21 days now, which is like 2 hours a day for 8 months. I'd say that was pretty dedicated if you ask me!

I've still not seen some of the higher level areas of Albion and I still cannot effectively participate in RvR without getting killed by a red con as soon as I leave the PK.

I'm not saying level 50 should be easy, but it should be achievable by any player, and not just those with the free time to play for countless hours.

Its my guess that for every level 50 that leaves due to boredom, there are a couple of lower levels that leave as they just can't spend the time required to progress enough to make the experience worthwhile. I know i've considered quitting several times due to not having the time to make logging on worthwhile, but overall I enjoy the game and some of the people that play.

Mythic should focus on giving the game more depth at all levels, so that getting to 50 is less of a chore and happens more naturally.

If you drive out the casual gamers then all you'll end up with is a bunch of level 50 fanboys running around in Emain with no greys to kill. I'm sure they wouldn't stay long either if they couldn't do that!

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

I couldnt agree more, as it is now xping is a chore (well it was to me)
You do killtasks and the odd quests and then you just hit the regular campspots and stay there untill you've reached the appropriate lvl for the next one.
Sure there is the argument that you can play casual and enjoy xping, but to me daoc is about rvr and doing epic mobs and to both things being the highest lvl is nice, but rvr doesnt really get even/fun untill you're lvl 50

 

[Krakatau]

The difference between Diablo II and DAOC is that there's a place in D2 to get superfast exp - COWLEVEL

The cows are like drakulvs on steroids ,)

Actually, I'd say you can fill your 8 slots in Diablo 2 with lvl 99 chars before you can even get 1 DAOC char to level 50

I also played D2 a lot before DAOC, but the total lack of comittment from Blizzard and all the dupes/hacks/scams etc ruined that game completly.

One thing I do like about Mythic/GOA is that they keep you informed about what's about to happen and then it usually happens when it's supposed to

Read what they said about patch 1.10 being developed back in april...
Not a word about that patch since then- That's good customer support
http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/

Hey this turned into an appraise for Mythic/GOA

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by Damon Doombring
that might be, but its still boring as hell

The boredom isn't because of the time taken, it's because there are only about 1-2 spots to xp at effectively each level. Add in lack of decent quests etc and it's all very dull. Making it quicker won't make it less boring, just you'll be bored for less time.

Level 43 in 21 days /played... So if they had made it so that you could hit 50 in 10 days played easily, would that be better? You'd have a level 50 now, but there'd probably be even less people playing due to them hitting 50 in a couple of weeks and getting bored. Interesting to note that the most successful mmorpg is everquest where xping is MUCH harder than DAoC...

 

[andrilyn]

Exping in daoc aint all that bad really, Even I got to level 30 in a realm which I didnt know in 3 days 14 hours /play time (Is about 1 week for me).
Generally I think they do need to make level 40/45 - 50 easier exp but below that should be twice as hard, as long as you find some groups you will gain alot of levels below level 40.

And because everyone who is below level 40 is now prob an alt of some level 50 person the exp should be also very nice since they know about the game and the realm, that way they have great experience in how to deal with the mobs etc, making the exp very easy to get.

And let me tell you level 50 aint all that, been there done that, bought the T-shirt, sold it again.
Only thing you are going to do at level 50 is RvR, unless you like watching a nice (green?) bar across the screen then you prob going to craft.
RvR is fun for the first 2 - 3 weeks when your level 50 then I am sure you going back to leveling some alts.

 

[old.Plebo]

Originally posted by Dannyn

Level 43 in 21 days /played... So if they had made it so that you could hit 50 in 10 days played easily, would that be better? You'd have a level 50 now, but there'd probably be even less people playing due to them hitting 50 in a couple of weeks and getting bored. Interesting to note that the most successful mmorpg is everquest where xping is MUCH harder than DAoC...

I'm not saying that I should be lvl50 by now, but I should certainly be very close. As it is, I don't expect to get to lvl50 until around Feb next year.

As far as i'm concerned, with 21 days /played (which is 504 hours!) I should have pretty much seen all of the realm by now and be in a position to be able to enjoy RvR.

DAoC is currently designed for hard-core gamers, who can play the game for at least 3 or 4 hours a day. There is only a limited amount of them around. Mythic are shooting themselves in the foot with this. OK, there may be thousands of people that play this game, but that is just a tiny tiny proportion of the potential online population. Ever wondered why more don't play?

If i'd got to lvl50 a few months ago, I would almost certainly lvl an alt and try something with different abilities, or tried another realm. There is plenty of scope for me to try other things out. As it stands, unless they make big changes to the game, when I eventually get to lvl50, i'll RvR for a bit and then i'll almost certainly quit the game. There is no way i'm gonna spend another 10-12 months levelling an alt to 50.

Everquest has a bigger game world, with more to see. It is also not focussed on RvR. In DAoC, certainly at the moment, you have to be lvl50 or you'll just get killed straight away in RvR.

I'm not sure why people seem to think that having to be unemployed or at school should be the only way that you get the time to play a game to its maximum potential. I pay the same amount as everyone else each month.

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by old.Plebo
I'm not sure why people seem to think that having to be unemployed or at school should be the only way that you get the time to play a game to its maximum potential. I pay the same amount as everyone else each month.

Oh please. I have a full time job (in fact I work about 50 hours a week at the moment) and had the time to level a char to 50. Being a student or unemployed means you have more time for the game, yes, but it's not a requirement for hitting 50. In 21 days /played you can easily get to 50 in DAoC. Does it matter that you haven't? Not really, everyone levels at their own pace, but saying it should be easier because your pace isn't that fast is crap. If you think 50 is what you need pull your damn finger out and get it, if you're happy to play as you have been don't whine about not being 50.

Generally I think they do need to make level 40/45 - 50 easier exp but below that should be twice as hard, as long as you find some groups you will gain alot of levels below level 40.

I agree the balance is a little skewed, the first 40 levels are very easy compaired to the last 10, they should spread the xp curve out a little so you don't end up stuck in the high 40s seeming to get nowhere so much. The total amount of xp is fine though.

I pay the same amount as everyone else each month

Yes, you pay to play not to have everything handed to you on a silver platter. Level 50 should be earned through playing, not so easy anyone with a spare evening can get it.

 

[old.Plebo]

Originally posted by Dannyn

Oh please. I have a full time job (in fact I work about 50 hours a week at the moment) and had the time to level a char to 50.
Being a student or unemployed means you have more time for the game, yes, but it's not a requirement for hitting 50. In 21 days /played you can easily get to 50 in DAoC. Does it matter that you haven't? Not really, everyone levels at their own pace, but saying it should be easier because your pace isn't that fast is crap. If you think 50 is what you need pull your damn finger out and get it, if you're happy to play as you have been don't whine about not being 50.

Oh dear Dannyn, you take things a bit personally don't you?

Well, if you work 50 hours per week and still have time to play DAoC for 3 hours+ every night then you obviously have no social life and/or girlfriend. You need to get out more.

I am so very sorry that my personal opinion differs from yours. I think that 500 hours played should be enough for me to be able to goto RvR without getting killed instantly. To call my opinion crap just illustrates your own immaturity, and perhaps explains why you have no social life.

Yes, you pay to play not to have everything handed to you on a silver platter. Level 50 should be earned through playing, not so easy anyone with a spare evening can get it.

No, I pay to enjoy myself, as do most people. Why do you think that people who only play on spare evenings shouldn't be able to enjoy a game they pay for and experience it with several high level alts? You are looking at the game from your own perspective of having a lvl50 character in a powerful guild, without considering that hundreds of other players just play for a couple of hours a night and want it to stay that way. Some of us have lives outside of this game, but still want to play it.

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by old.Plebo
I am so very sorry that my personal opinion differs from yours. I think that 500 hours played should be enough for me to be able to goto RvR without getting killed instantly.

It is plenty. My character had 392 hours /played at level 50 with ~80k RP. If you use your time wisely then it's perfectly possible to get 50 and enjoy RvR playing a couple of hours a night. No I wasn't powerlevelled, no I didn't have uber guild groups. I levelled in random pickup xp groups and solo, and occasional raids. The bulk of my high level XP was done in Lyonesse. Yes it was quite dull, but I wanted to achieve something so I sat down and damn well did it.

Originally posted by old.Plebo
Well, if you work 50 hours per week and still have time to play DAoC for 3 hours+ every night then you obviously have no social life and/or girlfriend. You need to get out more... To call my opinion crap just illustrates your own immaturity, and perhaps explains why you have no social life.

So me expressing a difference of opinion (yes calling your views crap is merely saying I disagree) is immature, while you lauching personal attacks on me is fine and illustrates you are very mature. I see...

Originally posted by old.Plebo
No, I pay to enjoy myself, as do most people. Why do you think that people who only play on spare evenings shouldn't be able to enjoy a game they pay for and experience it with several high level alts? You are looking at the game from your own perspective of having a lvl50 character in a powerful guild, without considering that hundreds of other players just play for a couple of hours a night and want it to stay that way. Some of us have lives outside of this game, but still want to play it.

The nature of MMORPGs is that the people with the longest amount of time will tend to be "the best". It is how they work - they award time invested because that is how you get people to keep paying money. Without that people would leave too quickly and the game would be a failure. This sort of game has to offer a challenge to have lasting appeal. If anyone with 1-2 hours / evening could xp a char to 50 in a week the game would not last more than a month. People would have tried every char and got bored. People feel no attachment to a character it took them a week to make, they feel a lot of attachment to something it took them 3 or 6 months to make.
All of this means that the person with less time is going to get the short end of the stick a bit. However that just something you have to deal with. If you can't cope with that and don;t want to dedicate more time to the game then you should find something else to play. It's not going to change, it's a fundamental part of the way the genre works.

 

[Flimgoblin]

They're improving 40-45 by three things:
1. removing to-hit in RvR - level 30+ is useful in RvR (not powerful, but they can make a difference albeit a small one)
2. reducing the number of kills to level (1.53)
3. making pygmys harder (1.53)



1. don't need to get to level 50 to play in RvR and actually do something...

2. it's faster, you can go explore the realms, kill all the stuff, and maybe be level 45 by the end of it. Rather than explore the realms, kill the stuff, and be level 42.5

3. you might get a group outside tanglers/pygmys between levels 34 and 44
This one only applies to Albion mind
(there is other stuff out there you know - telamon, pikemen, danaoin, peallaidhs, dartmoor,heck even barfog, Stonehenge Barrows)

PS. why am I on the Prydwen board - must be bored

 

[old.Revz]

Originally posted by old.Plebo
I'm not saying that I should be lvl50 by now, but I should certainly be very close. As it is, I don't expect to get to lvl50 until around Feb next year.

As far as i'm concerned, with 21 days /played (which is 504 hours!) I should have pretty much seen all of the realm by now and be in a position to be able to enjoy RvR.

DAoC is currently designed for hard-core gamers, who can play the game for at least 3 or 4 hours a day. There is only a limited amount of them around. Mythic are shooting themselves in the foot with this. OK, there may be thousands of people that play this game, but that is just a tiny tiny proportion of the potential online population. Ever wondered why more don't play?

If i'd got to lvl50 a few months ago, I would almost certainly lvl an alt and try something with different abilities, or tried another realm. There is plenty of scope for me to try other things out. As it stands, unless they make big changes to the game, when I eventually get to lvl50, i'll RvR for a bit and then i'll almost certainly quit the game. There is no way i'm gonna spend another 10-12 months levelling an alt to 50.

Everquest has a bigger game world, with more to see. It is also not focussed on RvR. In DAoC, certainly at the moment, you have to be lvl50 or you'll just get killed straight away in RvR.

I'm not sure why people seem to think that having to be unemployed or at school should be the only way that you get the time to play a game to its maximum potential. I pay the same amount as everyone else each month.

lol?

Note : I am so in awe of the ignorance shown in the above post that it has temporarily rendered me speechless.

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by old.Plebo
Well, if you work 50 hours per week and still have time to play DAoC for 3 hours+ every night then you obviously have no social life and/or girlfriend. You need to get out more.

I'll just break some numbers down a bit for you btw...
168 hours in a week.
I spend 50 at work, plus maybe 4 travelling (I live close).
I spend about 50 asleep
Taking your 3+ hours a night, I spend 21+ playing daoc...
50+50+4+21 = 125 hours. That leaves 43 hours unaccounted for. Where's the obviously no social life thing coming from there? Is 43 hours a week not enough?

 

[old.Plebo]

Originally posted by Dannyn
So me expressing a difference of opinion (yes calling your views crap is merely saying I disagree) is immature, while you lauching personal attacks on me is fine and illustrates you are very mature. I see...

Yes, I sorry Dannyn.

 

[ViscountC]

Certainly in Midgard the difference between the level 40-42ish peeps and those who have hit 50th is simple - those who have dinged 50 have spent an extra 3 days /played or so sat in malmo smacking drakulvs while bored out of their skulls.

To do that, you have to value the game - and the getting to 50 bit most of all - above everything else. Right now I'm trying to get my main to 50th, and with 4.5 levels to go I'm not enjoying it a whole lot. Dinging 50 won't mean I have any better understanding of the game, any better ability or knowledge; it'll just be that I was sad enough to give up another 8 Saturdays or so to sit in front of the monitor smacking the nuke button.

Not much fun, really. I'm prepared to do it so that I can give the bloody game up having levelled at least one character 50th. I've stopped playing most of my alts - including all the characters created in the other realms - because the game just isn't fun anymore, but I refuse to quit 'til someone has heard the last fanfare.

But yes, it is eating into my social life for no good purpose.

 

[nobrot]

Yup, I'm there too... 4.5 levels to go for the big 5 0 and bored... it will take me a while, because when I get too bored, I wander of to emain for some RvR, I get a couple of kills (and more than a few deaths) but I learn and it reminds me what is to come, so going back to exping makes it worthwhile... If it was easy to make lvl 50, then the sense of acheivment, the feeling that you have "earned" the right to not have to worry about exping anymore is lost... I for one tip my hat to all those level 50's, you have earned it!. I hope Mythic dont make it "that" much easier to level, or as another poster said, the place would be overun with lvl 50's and being lvl 50 wouldnt mean crap... and that would truly suck.

 

[the_smurflord]

Having just gone through this myself recently I know how difficult it is.
Lvls 43-46 for me were an absolute nightmare. It was almost impossible to get a group (see all the other threads about stealther group problems). I almost deleted my character in sheer frustration. I had many shouting matches with people, and I'm sure pissed a lot of people off across our guild channel with my moaning.
But, I grit my teeth and managed to get past it. Level 46+ has been a breeze. I can now hit things properly, and getting groups has become easy. I should hit lvl 49 tonight.
My advice is, stick with it. It's painful, but worth it in the end.

 

[old.mattshanes]

Yeah i hate people who keep bugger my main for power lving just because they can't find a group which IS BULLSHIT i try often with all my chars in polite ways i ask people now and again,i move around the realm to look too.People sometimes think at a certain lv you can only lv in one area and once they can't find a group there they think they will never lv.

 

[old.Kladen]

i stoped my paladin at lvl 42 coz it was so slow. and made 2 BG alts on excalibur, then i went crazy and made myself lvl to 50 when 1.50 came out.

if you have determination, you can do it

 

[old.mattshanes]

Also people who are lv40-49 just think they can lv at trees(suck bad) or tanglers,df was made for a reason....

 

[the_smurflord]

Shhh, Matt! Don't go giving those tree-huggers ideas! DF is Albion property, and will remain so (at least until I get to 50).

 

[old.mattshanes]

There was one guy who got lv50 in 3 days!!!!! i think it was to do with df.

 

[the_smurflord]

<hits Matt with a giant herring> SHUT UP ABOUT DF! IT'S OURS!


PS: Matt, can you follow me around DF tonight giving me weapon buffs?

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes:

People sometimes think at a certain lv you can only lv in one area and once they can't find a group there they think they will never lv.

Agree 100%

Hunting: the very word means to go looking for your prey. What most lazybones peeps want to do is camp and kill, not quite the same thing

I think it would be worth having a radius selection on the LFG button so you have the option of seeing the entire realm if you want. Sometimes peeps that are lfg are a long way off or in other zones and you don't find out about them.

Have the ability to tag it too, so its obvious if you're looking for RvR or PvE group.

That would be one way of reducing the hassle of lfg for people.

Til then, pre-arranged hunts still the best way to get a good group together.