Mentalist who are gonna reroll to light specced, read this 1st

[Lisco_Cataluz]

I have seen lately lot of discussion about light Mentas being the hardest nukers in Hib (Light Specced). Thats maybe true, but before blindly respeccing to light read this.

There is allways discussion about best spec table, and imho i think it mostly depends on persons playstyle. There is no ultimate specs table to beat all others.

I understand that most casters love to see their DD & AoE DD dmg as a primary fighting skill. In most cases this is not true at all. Being a mana specced mentalist from the beginning and ending to spec table 46 Mana / 23 Light / 16 Mentalism, i have few things to say about my experiences.

I will split this opinions to to categorys PvE and PvP, and try to tell positive and negative things, from mana mentalist point of view.

PvE:

Positive things:

- Mana Regen (do i have to actually say this )
- Health Regen, saves after battle healing power frrom primary healers
- Grouping and xping is easy with Enchanters & Eldrichs because those guys really love mana regen
- Base nukes to support battle
- Base Heals to backup primary healers
- DoT, AoE DoT, making nice addon dmg to mobs, eventhought it maybe a little low, but only requires single cast and dmg will tic and deal dmg for time period. Sometimes this actually can save the group in tiht situation.

Negative:

- Base nukes r weak compared to Light specc.
- AoE DD & DD spells r weak, and dont do dmg to be remarkable
- If there is bard in the group, they dont usuallybother to get mana specced mentalist also.
- DoT & AoE DoT is a real "aggro magnet", so deaths are common if u use those a lot. ( Usually i try to avoid casting those until mobs are on 70-80% health)


PvP:

Positive:

- Mana & Health Regen again. Mana mentalist can support a whole army of casters/healers/champions/wardens with mana regen. Thats because its cheap and quick to cast.
- DoT`s and AoE DoT`s especially do a GREAT amount of damage in defense situations (Keep Defense & Wall Defense). Only requires quickly moves to pick target and cast once or twice, then move into safe spot and let the time do its work.
- With realm abilites implemented chance of crit hitting with AoE DoT is more than possible (if you use points to Wild Arcana).
- You dont have to be visible all time to cast DD & AoE DD spells, this will give you better chance to stay alive (needless to say)


Negative:

- Soloing is very very hard.
- On basic group vs group battle, mezzing the enemy and picking em one by one works better than AoE DoT & DoT, so there is no use to those spells at all.
- DD`s are weak


Well there is also lot of other things and subjects, but this was just a single persons opinion.

Im not respeccing to light, because after few experiences AoE DoT`s are the most powerfull spells in RvR atm.

Anyone who wants to correct my info or add something to it, your are more than welcome to do it.

 

[Kobold]

Oh I remember a few days ago in emain was some alb casted ae DoT on hibs at wall. And I must say that hurted shit loads, it allmost killed me, and I'm a buffed 50 hero. Just watched all the mages drop down one after the other. Bet thats how the mentalist ae DoT works too, and that rewlz!

 

[old.Laryssa]

i will stay light specced !

i have MR3+serenity and it works well - even in PvP.
I have the 3rd least AOE DoT which does not much damage and does not leech to much rps - but my NUKES are lethal

MoM2 + WP rocks

critted 700dmg on a lvl50 tankish alb

 

[old.Niljindil]

In the beta i was a light/mind mentalist, and now im a light + mind/mana(you know the 24 45 17 temp). And i have loved it from the start, and will never chance except if they change mind to be viable(if so i will drop mana and raise serenity an extra level).

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Lisco, a list of the mana mentalists on excal;

Mentolado
Malok
Tzeentch
Lisco


....


And on the humour side, a list of the elite mana mentalists on excal;

Tzeentch

 

[Lisco_Cataluz]

Errr.... Where did that elite came from

 

[old.Tzeentch]

My rocking spec, my overall knowledge of the class, my PvE methods, RvR methods and last but not least, my amazingly warm, friendly, fun, kind, generous, loving personality.

Or, as nova would say, my geekiness.

btw
Mana ment soloing is not hard

 

[Keri]

I disagree that groups that have a bard don't need a mana ment. I have often been in a group with a mana ment, and the rest of the group loves it! It means the ment regens mana, and the bard regens end .. no switching instruments, and it reduces downtime. also, growing bards will often have lower mana regen than ments.

 

[Lisco_Cataluz]

Well try to understand that this thread`s point was just to make current mana mentalist to choose carefully between staying as a mana ment or respeccing to light.

Is has nothing to do with bards. There was just some things that i like to point out. Bards aree good for end song & speed etc., but that is really completely other issue.

As i said before all depends mostly on play style, and with style that i myself leveled from 44-50 there was no need for bard (Cursed Forest / finliaths ). But if u wanna xp "classical" way bard is allways indeed very welcome.

In RvR we all know their benefits too having bard in group.

Keri next time try to read the topic on the thread before flaming...

 

[Lisco_Cataluz]

Tzeentch, u really think that soloing in RvR is not hard as a Mentalist ? Well i would really wanna hear tactics / experiences etc. from that point of view more. Msg me in game or post few ideas here so that i could try them.

Reason for me to say soloing is hard at RvR, was just my own opinion. I guess i have lot to learn about soloing at frontier

One thing more it doesnt really matter in RvR, how much damage you can do with a single DD spell. Usually there is more enemy`s than one to nuke/melee.

 

[old.Laryssa]

you forgot: Tzee is uber

 

[Lisco_Cataluz]

Oh, sozz

Tzeentch is uber !

 

[old.Zanaa]

I'm 35/36 light/mana because I wanted to be as diverse as possible, to be able to adopt to situations and have more varied and fun play. It has really been so, being ment was absolutely awesome compared to other classes i tried when exping. Up til now it has also been great in PvP but RAs changed this some.

In Rvr, speccing higher mentalism to get better heals would be a waste since you can only use it with a real impact _in specific situations_. I think you agree on this. Mezzes are useful but 32secs is quite enough since if there is so many enemies that u or your grp cannot waste them within the mez, the enemy are too many for u to mez with your 3sec singlemez anyway! So ment around 15 or so is the best level atm, reducing variance on heals to 10-20% or so depending on +ment items. Getting ment higher to get cure mez in later patch will unfortunately hurt the other lines alot as u noticed playing with the builder.

I find mentalism spec similar in that way - DOTs can be great, but _only in specific situations_ like at walls, keeps and when u got no aemezzers. And now with serenity and first aid and stuff, pot&hot is not as neccessary anymore.

DDs on the other hand, are very useful in _all combat situations_. Even when I group with manaments I notice that 90% of their spells cast during a day is baseline DD.

Finally IP, purge, determination etc makes tanks survive longer, which whatever tanks say means casters survive less because the tanks will reach them, unless they try to counter this with a _significant damageboost_ or get melee ability in future patch(not very likely!)

So I am going to respec to 45light based on these observations. Maybe with nerf of AEmez and high wild arcana, the DOTment can do as well as the DDment in the future, but my guess is not.

 

[old.Pempula]

I really have to disagree with you on one point. IMO the realm ability serenity has only increased peoples hunger for mana regen (be it bard's song or ment's pot). Everyone expects to have their mana regen a lot faster now, especially because of those IPs and FAs out there.
Also, magic resistancies of all realms should have certainly increased some, which again increases the amount of mana needed per kill, for example (and thus, it's pot pot pot time ).

 

[Armolas]

Well i'm another 35/36/19 ment, and I will want to check the "changed" dots in 1.51 before thinking about respeccing.

I have to say, for rvr I do OK, but I am still thinking of going over to the light side, we'll see how it goes.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Lisco,yesterday I was grouped with Evinagh in RvR.. just me and him, and I racked up 6k in 40 mins..
I didn't mean solo is a good idea, since there is always going to be a stealther who gets you, or even if you have a pet, a minstrel type..

If you mean can mana ments solo many classes? Yes..
Just land the DoTs as early as you can, sometimes it is worth recasting the spec DoT until you get a good crit going, othertimes it is better to give one or two DD's so you can quickly get on to the next target.. use the kiting method you have used in PvE when solo, if anyone you hit doesn't realise that losing around 300hp every 4-5 seconds is not a good time to charge forward.

And yes, Tzeentch is uber

One of the most important pieces of advice I would give: you are under no obligation to give out mana, it is entirely your choice.

Oh, and Armolas... DON'T CHANGE TO LIGHT YOUR SPEC IS FANTASTIC OK!!!