menatlist spec?

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llixeraxu

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Erm with the massive amount of ment stuff going around with ment focus...

What about a ment specd ment? 50ment viable? Do people do it? If so what is it :>
 
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old.Mick

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1 person i know of has a high ment mentalist, the eld TL... basicaly ur a healer, and a damn fine one except that ment heals are so big they draw massive agro and you will die often.

the highest i would ever have ment is 28 for the remove mezz spell, anything higher is insanity :D a bard can do everything a ment ment can, except for the big heals, and has batter CC mana regen speed etc

ment ment is a crap bard with cloth armour and no hps or buffs :p
 
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llixeraxu

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So nothing other than cure mez heals :/

So they a weak bard ? Which can nuke?

They get a mez?
 
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Calere

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The Ment spec will offer you good heals, confusion spells, remove mezz and single target mezz. Personally I don't think ment is worth putting too many points into. My first spec I had my ment on 15 purely for the 34 sec mezz spell, with the respec I lowered this to 6.
 
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llixeraxu

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I just wanna know if its fun though. Something diffrent to what everyone else has!

I may be making one =o
 
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Calere

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Mentalists are fun to play, very versatile. I couldn't tell you how much fun you'll have with a ment mentalist, because I don't play one. All I can say is there is a reason that you don't see many about ;)
 
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Kobold

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Yup it's gimped...like making a max blade bard :p ...or warden without nurture etc :rolleyes:
 
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Novamir

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come on its a mentalist thread, let's see loff and tzee posting please
 
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old.Laryssa

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menatlism offers you: single mez, single confusion, heals, DoT (base) and the cure mez spell.

As said: a mentalism mentalist (;)) is like a bard in cloth armor with his skills reduced to single target scope and without songs/buffs.

Sure, he can use the base light nuke - but without 24 mana he wouldn't be accepted by groups since he lacks the precious mana regen.

:rolleyes:
 
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Harhr

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A light mentalist rocks, i had a lvl 20 long time ago...about 41 light 35 mana and rest mentalism...your nukes will be mana effeicient and u get the great AE nuke...also u will have pretty good health regen and mana regen thingys..
 
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ilaya

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Respecced my mentalist to full mana, i was gonna go mentalism but couldn't really see how that would benefit groups. Heals are tasty and the ability to dot mobs and act as a support nuker seem like good ideas, but mana regen totally rules. As a ment specced mentalist i got a little sick of people purely judging me on my MR capabilities, but then again.. going with mentalism doesn't give anything extra to the group or player (at least that's what i found). There isn't an incentive for speccing a mentalist with mentalism really.. which i see as an opportunity missed.

Ilaya Dasquirrelslayer - 50 Lurichamp (GM Hearts of Fire)
Boowen Dassa - 27 Mentalist
Gemyni - 20 NS
Poppy Power - 17 Warden

Eeeeeek! :)
 
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exc_hib_boo

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Originally posted by uaredead
A light mentalist rocks, i had a lvl 20 long time ago...about 41 light 35 mana and rest mentalism...your nukes will be mana effeicient and u get the great AE nuke...also u will have pretty good health regen and mana regen thingys..
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Great AE nuke? Falloff + 4s cast-time is never great, decent at most, and it will get you killed a lot in sieges due to the long casttime (I know from experience). Damage at lvl 50 with ~60 light with items was 25-400 on target, never more than 300 on rest, and 10 on edges.

If you want to do ae damage (and be a mezbreaker elite) go mana. the lvl 46 ae dot is what its all about. Normally it ticks for 120-150 for 6 ticks, all in 3secs cast-time. Granted, not many die from it, but cast one, wait 10 secs and cast next (if anyone is still in range) and they will start to drop. Avalonian casters seem to die pretty often from my ae dot, unless fully buffed by all them new buffing/healing clerics (albs sure are harder to kill since respec)

Light mentalist rocks for other reasons... Orange con pet, MR3 or MR1+cure mez, and the hard DD.
 
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Danya

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41 light isn't really a light mentalist. To make use of the spec you really need 45 light for the final DD.
 
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Kobold

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Originally posted by Danyan
41 light isn't really a light mentalist. To make use of the spec you really need 45 light for the final DD.
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agreed :D

light is light, and less light than best light is not light :clap:
 
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old.Laryssa

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but I tell you there is a huge difference between the last specc DD and the secon dlast one ;)
 
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old.Mick

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give 9 bubs for last nuke!! :D

oh and the ment TL, infact all the the mage TLs are pushing for the fall-out on ae nukes to be reduced to little or nothing.

www.mypetmage.com read the monthly TLs report :D
 
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Armolas

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High mentalism mentalists might be fun - i went moderately high on my gorre respec, and I think this is what youwill see froma high mentalism ment:.

Heals. Out heal a druid easily every time.
Die every time you use the big heal while fighting a mob.
Use wild healing to see 1500+ heals.

Very very good baseline dot. Combine with wild arcana for crits.

Mez is single targt, but will stick to anything.

Cure mez just liek a bard.

Take light as secondary for decent baseline nukes, but these will eat mana.

Take mana as secondary for mana regen - get at least mana 24 for MR3. With this you will have a smallish aoe dot and a second single target dot to complement your mentalism dot.


I can see a high mentalism/man ment being very nice in group situations, you can deal out crack, heal, crowd control, you can also use QC stun if things go wrong, and in a real emergency respond faster than any other healer witha QC heal.

Luckily you will be doing damage mainly from dots which don't cause too much aggro, but your heals will make up for that.

You won't be able to res, but that won't matter because you will be the first guy to die.
 
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Tank Init

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ments have 2 forms of CC (stun and mezz)nerf ments :D
 
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llixeraxu

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ok someone post me a spec with Ment as a primary spec.

50 ment :rolleyes: ??

and ill make it

Celt/luri/elph?
 
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exc_hib_boo

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Originally posted by Armolas
ma high mentalism ment:.

Heals. Out heal a druid easily every time.
Die every time you use the big heal while fighting a mob.
Use wild healing to see 1500+ heals.

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Luckily you will be doing damage mainly from dots which don't cause too much aggro, but your heals will make up for that.
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A healer in cloth = dead healer.
1500 heals = impossible, largest heal at 387hp = ~500 with bonuses = max 1000 with big crit.

Outheal a druid? NEVER. Unless its a full nature/nurture druid, which I have never seen.

A mentalist gets a 387HP heal at 42 ment. A druid gets that PLUS a 549hp heal at 41 (which will crit for up to 1500 with bonuses), not to mention group heals, insta-heals, rezzes.

Do not choose a mentalist to play a healer. Dots + heal = aggro magnet as well.

My menta used to have 17+11 in mentalism, healed for 250-300 each time. Sufficient for backup healing, probably more than most bards, less than most wardens.

Remember: Bards, Wardens and Mentalists have the exact same healing line, but the druids is way better.

I would rather have pbt/scale or at least rf armor than being able to dot for 50/tick and heal to get aggro and die...


EDIT: Now, you made really wanna do a mentalism mentalist, in that case I'll suggest some specs:

1. Mana/Ment 46Mana/28Ment - Gets you last AE Dot, MR5, Cure Mez, 44s single target mez, Spec heal for 235 (will do ~300), base heals for ~300 also, base nuke will not be used at all probably with this template.

2. Mana/Ment 36Mana/33Ment/22Light - Gets you second last ae dot, cure mez, MR4, 307hp spec heal (should heal for 350-400 (?)), 55sec single target mez and half-decent base nuke

3. Ment/Mana 42Ment/24Mana/23Light - Gets you last spec heal for 387Hp, 1min8s single target mez, remove mez, MR3, crappy dots and half-decent base nuke.

The only thing you get after 42 ment is 12s extra on the mez and one more confusion spell, not worth it at all.

Not sure if these are good templates, but its some different ideas...
 
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PJS

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youre forgetting heal power cost
I can chain heal all day (slight exaggeration :) )
druid can chain heal for 10 seconds

I have kept alive a warden being beat on by two mobs 10-15 levels above him for something like 1 minute with only 13 spec points in my healing line, how many druids can say that?

Mentalist, probably the best single target healer in the world :)
 
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Kobold

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How could that warden possibly keep aggro on those to mobs off you then:confused: :m00:
 
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old.Mick

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Outheal a druid? NEVER. Unless its a full nature/nurture druid, which I have never seen.
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a mentalism mentalist heals for more hps per power cost of any hib healer, dont mock it the TLs say so, especially the eld TL who plays a ment ment

they still shit thou :p
 
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old.chipper

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29 mana 45 light 6 ment its the only way to go at 29 mana u have got mr 3, serenity 2 only costs 4 points so thats nice, the last dd is insane im told, and at 6 ment u get a 21 sec mez which is uber :)
 
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