Mage spec

Discussion in 'Class Discussion' started by Nunnan, Mar 16, 2005.

  1. Nunnan

    Nunnan Fledgling Freddie

    Hey guys, these last few days i have been trying to find a spec that was first of all new, and directed towards Dmg and a high survival rate,

    Arcane Magic 16 Pts
    Arcane Focus 5/5
    Arcane Concentration 5/5
    Improved Dampen Magic 1/2
    Improved Arcane Explosion 2/5
    Evocation 1/1
    Improved Mana Shield 2/2

    Fire Magic 35 Pts
    Improved Fireball 5/5
    Impact 3/5
    Ignite 5/5
    Improved Fire Blast 5/5
    Flame Throwing 2/2
    Incinerate 2/2
    Pyroblast 1/1
    Burning Soul 3/3
    Critical Mass 3/3
    Fire Power 5/5
    Combustion 1/1

    i know it looks weird :) but take a look at it and tell me what you thing is totaly useless and what might be a good spec :)
    thanks alot
     
  2. Wyleia

    Wyleia Fledgling Freddie

    Improved Arcane Explosion 2/5

    ^^^

    5/5 in this talent. Else why bother putting anything into it? with 5/5 it becomes 'instant' which means you can cast it while moving, mobs hitting you dont slow your cast time of it.
     
  3. Whisperess

    Whisperess Part of the furniture

    It's not even possible, you can't put points into improved mana shield without having 15 points in arcane; you have 14.

    Btw, you save 105 mana on 2 talent points in Improved Mana Shield, you use mana shield often? Remember that it still drains 2 mana per point damage you take.

    I haven't played Fire spec as of yet, but I reckon I'd rather have an instant pyroblast every 3 minutes than a guaranteed crit every 5 minutes. (Presence of Mind in arcane instead of Combustion) - that's just my opinion though.

    If I was a fire mage (which I'm not, I'm arcane/frost) I would probably spec like this: (yes, I love Scorch)
    That's just my opinion, ymmv.

    http://wowvault.ign.com/View.php?view=Talents.View&category_select_id=4
     
  4. Sycho

    Sycho Can't get enough of FH

    Scorch is probably the best single nuke damage mage spell there is, why?

    -It costs low mana, if you get a clearcast you can then arcane missile for free.
    -It's damage variance for it's mana cost is good.
    -It is 1.5s cast time.
    -With impact 5 you get more stuns off compared to fireball.
    -With ignite 5 scorch becomes a nasty spell, ignites double if you crit in a row.
    -With incineration 2 you can have 4% more crit on scorch/fireblast too.

    If i were you i would go the 30 fire 21 arcane route, you got 2 instant aoe fire spells then for instances, use scorch as main spell too, i miss fire a lot due to scorch.I am actually respeccing back to arcane/fire or fire/arcane once i got epic mount, i think frost is the way to go if you want to farm cash, but not until 50+ at least which is when you get frostbite/shatter combo at high levels.
     
  5. Whisperess

    Whisperess Part of the furniture

    Quoted for truth :p

    That's why I love Scorch so much (one of the most overlooked Mage spells there is imo). Don't forget Critical Mass 3/3 to boost the crit chance of Scorch up to +10% combined with Incineration - BBQ! :m00:
     
  6. Sycho

    Sycho Can't get enough of FH

    I have spoken to lv50+ fire mages who had never even used scorch at all really...until i explained stuff to them why they should use it and thank me for that, no wonder fire spec mages or arcane complain about drinking after two mobs often. :)

    I did a scorch of 450+400s+400s(from ignite) on a skeleton flayer in western plaguelands, was four crits in a row if i remember, just shows how dangerous it can be with good crit rate.Think you can reach like 25% crit rate on scorch as 28 arcane/23 fire with dire maul crit items, mauradon sword and some others from stratholme/scholomance which i have forgotten.
     
  7. Danya

    Danya Fledgling Freddie

    Scorch and fire blast are the only fire spells on my main quickbar. I mainly frostbolt though unless I need a quick nuke - with my talent spec frostbolt is more damage per mana.
     
  8. exponentiaL

    exponentiaL Fledgling Freddie

    What about this for a fire mage?

    Arcane Magic 21 Pts
    Improved Arcane Missile 5/5
    Arcane Concentration 5/5
    Improved Dampen Magic 2/2
    Improved Arcane Explosion 5/5
    Evocation 1/1
    Improved Counterspell 2/2
    Presence of Mind 1/1

    Fire Magic 30 Pts
    Improved Fireball 5/5
    Ignite 4/5
    Flame Throwing 2/2
    Incinerate 2/2
    Pyroblast 1/1
    Burning Soul 3/3
    Improved Scorch 5/5
    Critical Mass 3/3
    Fire Power 5/5

    Only thing I'm doubting about is will impact > ignite or? I'll be using alot of fire spells so the stun will proc quite some times... though the extra damage from burn could be nice with a pyroblast..?

    Thanks in advance,
     
  9. Sycho

    Sycho Can't get enough of FH

    Instead of improved scorch 5/5 go with impact 5/5....improved scorch dots overide each other if you use it as main spell(re-apply) which you will do.Though you might want ignite 5/5 too.
     
  10. Danya

    Danya Fledgling Freddie

    Drop burning soul, useless ability. If you're getting hit, frost nova and move or spam arcane missiles.
     
  11. Tasslehoff

    Tasslehoff Fledgling Freddie

    At least drop one point in burning soul, the 15 % for a talent point is a waste
     
  12. Whisperess

    Whisperess Part of the furniture

    I would recommend against that decision:

     
  13. Sycho

    Sycho Can't get enough of FH

    That's the change coming but remember you need to do five scorch spells to get that 10% to go off.
     
  14. FuzzyLogic

    FuzzyLogic Kicking squealing Gucci little piggy

    Indeedy, but it would only take 7.5 seconds (give or take interruptions and/or lag/player hesitation) of casting to reach that 10%, which isn't all that long considering the casting time of many other mage spells (from memory Frostbolt is the 2nd fastest casting dd spell including talents(?)).


    Found meself to be using scorch a good deal since my mage hit 22, even without talents it's a good spell considering the casting speed, though that might be because I don't like feeling useless and usually when i'm in a group they manage to kill mobs before my second fireball or whatever has been fired, almost relegating me to a pseudo CC role :p.
     
  15. Whisperess

    Whisperess Part of the furniture

    I'm grouped with one more mage 99% of the time :)
     
  16. Jorma

    Jorma Loyal Freddie

    I am specced like this at mom, I like it alot sofar

    21 arcane
    30 Frost

    Improved Arcane Missiles
    Rank 5/5
    Gives you a 100% chance to avoid interruption caused by damage while channeling Arcane Missiles.

    Arcane Concentration
    Rank 5/5
    Gives you a 10% chance of entering a Clearcasting state after any damage spell hits a target. The Clearcasting state reduces the mana cost of your next damage spell by 100%.

    Improved Arcane Explosion
    Rank 5/5
    Reduces the casting time of your Arcane Explosion spell by 1.5 sec.

    Evocation
    Rank 1/1
    Instant cast 10 min cooldown
    While channeling this spell, your mana regeneration is active and increased by 1500%. Lasts 8 sec.

    Improved Mana Shield
    Rank 2/2
    Increases the damage absorbed by your Mana Shield by 75%.

    Improved Counterspell
    Rank 2/2
    Gives your Counterspell a 100% chance to silence the target for 4 sec.

    Presence of Mind
    Rank 1/1
    Instant cast 3 min cooldown
    When activated, your next Mage spell with a casting time less then 10 sec becomes an instant cast spell.

    Arcane Total: 21


    Frost Mastery
    Improved Frostbolt
    Rank 5/5
    Reduces the casting time of your Frostbolt spell by 0.5 sec.

    Permafrost
    Rank 2/5
    Increases the duration of your chill effects by 1.5 secs.

    Ice Shards
    Rank 4/5
    Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Frost spells by 80%.

    Improved Frost Nova
    Rank 2/2
    Reduces the cooldown of your Frost Nova spell by 4 sec.

    Piercing Ice
    Rank 3/3
    Increases the damage done by your Frost spells by 6%.

    Cold Snap
    Rank 1/1
    Instant cast 10 min cooldown
    When activated, this spell finishes the cooldown on all of your cold spells.

    Arctic Reach
    Rank 2/2
    Increases the range of your Frostbolt spell and the radius of your Frost Nova and Cone of Cold spells by 20%.

    Shatter
    Rank 5/5
    Increases the critical strike chance of your Frost spells against frozen targets by 50%.

    Ice Block
    Rank 1/1
    13 Mana
    Instant cast 5 min cooldown
    You become encased in a block of ice, protecting you from all physical attacks and spells for 10 sec, but during that time you cannot attack, move or cast spells.

    Frostbite
    Rank 5/5
    Gives your chill effects a 15% chance to freeze the target for 5 sec.
     
  17. Whisperess

    Whisperess Part of the furniture

    I'm curious, as I can imagine fire/arcance to go 30/21 or similar; why with frost/arcane though?
     
  18. Tasslehoff

    Tasslehoff Fledgling Freddie

    I also wonder why you have a frost spec without Imp. CoC
     
  19. Jorma

    Jorma Loyal Freddie

    Just can´t give up PoM, like it far to much Ice Barrier and imp. CoC are both nice but I have sofar found PoM more useful then IB and other frost talents more useful then imp. CoC. I am by no means saying that my spec is the best possible and I am not sure I will keep this spec on my mage. Just trying it and liking it sofar.
     
  20. Sycho

    Sycho Can't get enough of FH

    Imp coc 3 is far better than pom for a frost mage....pom only worth it as fire or arcane spec in my view.You can crit 1000s with imp cone 3 after a frost nova, with coldsnap you can do twice in a row.
     
  21. Turamber

    Turamber FH is my second home

    Bah, silly mages. My warlocks pwns j00! (sorry, been reading the DAoC boards :eek: )
     
  22. Cyradix

    Cyradix FH is my second home

    This is my mage spec :

    Arcane Talents (18 points)

    Improved Arcane Missiles - 5/5 points
    Gives you a 100% chance to avoid interruption caused by damage while channeling Arcane Missiles.

    Arcane Concentration - 5/5 points
    Gives you a 10% chance of entering a Clearcasting state after any damage spell hits a target. The Clearcasting state reduces the mana cost of your next damage spell by 100%.

    Evocation - 1/1 point
    While channeling this spell, your mana regeneration is active and increased by 1500%. Lasts 8 seconds.

    Improved Arcane Explosion - 5/5 points
    Reduces the casting time of your Arcane Explosion by 1.5 seconds.

    Improved Counterspell - 2/2 points
    Gives your Counterspell a 100% chance to silence the target for 4 seconds.



    Frost Talents (33 points)

    Permafrost - 5/5 points
    Increases the duration of your chill effects by 3 seconds.

    Improved Frost Nova - 2/2 points
    Reduces the cooldown of your Frost Nova spell by 4 seconds.

    Ice Shards - 5/5 points
    Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Frost spells by 100%.

    Piercing Ice - 3/3 points
    Increases the damage done by your frost spells by 6%.

    Cold Snap - 1/1 point
    When activated, this spell finishes the cooldown on all of your cold spells.

    Arctic Reach - 2/2 points
    Increases the range of your Frostbolt spell and the radius of your Frost Nova and Cone of Cold spells by 20%.

    Shatter - 5/5 points
    Increases the critical strike chance of your frost spells against frozen targets by 50%.

    Ice Block - 1/1 point
    You become encased in a block of ice, protecting you from all physical attacks and spells for 10 seconds, but during that time you cannot attack, move, or cast spells.

    Improved Cone of Cold - 3/3 points
    Increases the damage dealt by your Cone of Cold spell by 35%.

    Frostbite - 5/5 points
    Gives your chill effects a 15% chance to freeze the target for 5 seconds.

    Ice Barrier - 1/1 point
    Instantly shields you, absorbing 455 damage. Lasts 1 minute. While the shield holds, spells will not be interrupted.
     
  23. Tasslehoff

    Tasslehoff Fledgling Freddie

    You haven't even got a mage Cyradix :p
     
  24. Danya

    Danya Fledgling Freddie

    IMO - drop permafrost (it sucks, hard). Get shards 5, get imp coc. Drop arctic reach, get more imp. coc. Much better template with very little lost compared to yours.
    Instant 500 damage ae that can crit for 1k is sooo much better than 1.5s extra of chill and slightly more range.
    Even if you want the arctic reach, do yourself a favour and get rid of permafrost, it really is lame.
     
  25. Whisperess

    Whisperess Part of the furniture

    Even with the changes to Blizzard? (as that's where I imagine it would be put to best use).
     
  26. Cyradix

    Cyradix FH is my second home

    You should spend less time playing with bunnies and more time talking to guildmembers :p
    My mage is called Narilka :)
     
  27. Danya

    Danya Fledgling Freddie

    Yup, still sucks. You want the roots to get more crits with shatter, and blizzard doesn't crit. Besides which his template doesn't have imp blizzard anyway. :p
    Imp. bliz isn't complete garbage any more, it's just not as good as pretty much anything else in the frost tree.
     
  28. Tasslehoff

    Tasslehoff Fledgling Freddie


    Narilka... The level 3 undead mage? =p
     
  29. Whisperess

    Whisperess Part of the furniture

    Still hoping for a fix there :(

    After all, AM does crit; guess Blizzard not critting is either a bug or a "fix" to not make that spell overpowered.
     
  30. Danya

    Danya Fledgling Freddie

    None of the warlock AEs crit either. I'm thinking it's some sort of design decision. Still makes imp bliz rather useless. :(
     

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