Looking for SM advice

[trigali]

Cili is a Spiritmaster of 33 seasons with a mixed - and inefficient - spec of (can't remember) roughly equal suppression and darkness.

With the forthcoming 1.62 she can eventually look forward to getting the specialisation she is sorely missing to regain some efficiency.

I only know one thing: she will not be a summoning Spiritmaster.

Therefore I must chose between suppression and darkness.

Playstyle... well I've more or less been playing solo until now, that is, duo with the healer bot I made and who since retired. So I really don't know.

To sm's out there: which is the most group friendly, of suppression SM or Darkness SM ?

I know all about the awsome damage of pbaoe but I have NEVER been able to find a group who understands the concept of it so I'm not making this an argument.

Please, rather, tell me of your experiences when you are looking for a group.

 

[Old Nicodemus]

Trig

Dark SM's are an awesome class to play, basically a Runie with a pet. You have excellent mezz (area and PBmezz) good debuffs that work well with Runies and 2 good nukes (lifetap and base line)

Supp Sm's live really for that nasty PB nuke, they also have good debuffs, single target mezz, and root. There are also a few little gizmos like life transfer and purge mezz.

Lot's of people go either one or the other. Both work. However, the most fun I have is being the jack of all trades. 42 sup, 32 dark, 11 sum. I'm a freak, but I am a support char that can't be beaten. In a group I can do all things well and that is a bonus when the group is in trouble. You want me to nuke? sure.. which one? Be main mezz.. no probs. Save the tank on his last hit point.. time for a sneaky heal and all those debuffs make a mob and an enemy less of a threat. Plus, you have your own personal peeler. What more could you ask for?

When I'm looking for a group I have so much to offer that it's not hard to fill a role. One thing I would say is make sure you have one line much higher than the other. I tried a 36,36,23 (or something close to it) spec and although it ruled in PvE it was slightly lacking in RvR, hence I respecced to my current spec. I have to say I did enjoy that spec though.. got a fair few Rp's with it.

With the next few patches about to bring some more Sm loving, and perhaps make the Darkmaster a viable spec again, it maybe that a mainly darkness based SM might be to your liking.

If you need anymore advice just stick a question in the nyd cupbaord and I'll gladly help out.

 

[mavericky]

For leveling from 40+ PBAOE rules, it's easier to get in malmo group with PBAOE, and the XP is always nice (as you are the main group member getting it)

For getting to the dreaded malmo try and find a healer to level with Supp SM and Pac healers rock together.

The main problem is when you get to 50, for a Supp SM to perform well in RvR you need to have a regular RvR group, the pick up RvR groups will often be to imbalance for PBAOE to be effective. If you feel that you wont be RvRing with the same people then maybe darkness would be a more productive spec for you.

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Sup SM is way more group friendly but to get the best out the subclass you usually need a more properly balanced group since you either need a healer that can reliably stun beasties or have enough tanks to take agro when you start pbae nuking.

Dark SM is better in oddball group lineups where you don't always have the right classes you would like because the combination of reasonable CC and reasonable single target damage means you can take things down fairly quickly one at a time. The pbae mez is a lifesaver when agro gets out of hand but its not usually a consideration when most are making up groups.

For RvR groups like Sup SMs better and remember with the resists and so forth these days as Dark SM your mez is extremely short duration.

My grouping experiences (while levelling) as Roo are fairly irrelevant though as the class has changed a lot since I hit 50 and is no longer the 'outcast' class it used to be

 

[Damon_D]

Well u will get in pbaoe group with dark too if they know what they doing , u spirit debuff will make the pbaoe even more uber..or am i wrong ??

 

[trigali]

Thank you all.

I will respec Cili to full Suppression for now, and if I don't like it she will go back to retirement and stay there.

All advice was very useful. Again, thanks to our 3 top SMs in the realm.

 

[Makwaerk]

sup or dark .. you can't go wrong as SM imo

 

[old.Spug]

One thing I've found when levelling my supp SM, is that its not just PBAOE, although PBAOE is a mindset its hard to break from when you do so much damage...

my lifetransfer at 41 does the equivelent of my healers medium heal. last night, whilst in "our" dungeon, our seer vanished for 5 mins, and we managed to aggro some passing shrooms. couple of PB's on the shrooms, and our main tank started the spiral towards sleep. both Supp SM's peeled, and started life transfering... we were healing for more per spell then our poor seer had been...

couple that with the single target mez (not that mez is worth much these days) the lovely stacking str and str/con debufs, and the pet, who in 1.62 will become my personal meat shield... I'm loving my spec...

however... I've also just started another alt... to be summon specced. I think theres something wrong with me.

 

[Hufner]

Originally posted by old.Spug

however... I've also just started another alt... to be summon specced. I think theres something wrong with me.

You think, others know

(Says the guy with both supp and summon sm alts... )

 

[Pehrson]

Sm supp mp template

to keep the talking going ive got a demand. pls help me find a great mp supp template.

 

[Asha]

I think a dark SM would be great with a sup SM to group with, and there is alot of sup SM around so it shouldn't be hard to find groups. The spirit debuff would be really really nice in PvE or PvP, BUT you will be kinda dependant on having a sup SM around.

The only thing I don't like about sup SM is that you can't get lazy ever at Malmo or your group doesn't get exp.

 

[cerbie]

Supp sm is great Trigali, I know for sure you will like it.

I had the greatest fun at uc while soloing there and I even managed, with help of course to get my cap of rps before going to bg, by killing a purple invader (stealted one).

So I have to say after hunting with a healer (!) this is great.

You will like it.

 

[rynnor]

I have a 49 supp rest dark SM - great for PvE but you really need MOC for serious RvR - until you get it life can be tough...

If I ever got my hands on a respec stone Id seriously think about reducing supp to 41 for the 2nd to last PBAE (incidentally I rarely use the 49 one in PvE because its too power hungry but mainly because unless your tanks are red hot and or your healers spamming AE stun its like hitting an instant death button if you crit).

With 41 supp you can get enough dark to get some debuffs which is great - plus youll get a lot less variance from the base nuke.

Its definately nice to have decent ranged damage since there are many situations where PBAE is impractical.

Whatever you choose - have fun!

 

[Mid_Blejsarus]

50supp rest darkness.
why 50 supp? cause last single mess.
spell level vs target level = Resists less with a high level spell.
Any for rvr 2sms is needed to get pbaoe effective otherwise its kinda blows atleast against good groups.

 

[old.Hardbein]

Re: Sm supp mp template

Originally posted by Pehrson
to keep the talking going ive got a demand. pls help me find a great mp supp template.

Here is mine (3MPs):

(PS....yes Its lots of overcaping...thats just to squeze the most out of the items I have got)

Config Report

Stats:
Str: 10 Int: 0 Hits: 207
Con: 79 Pie: 76 Power: 6
Dex: 75 Cha: 0
Qui: 0 Emp: 0

Resists:
Body: 29 Energy: 26 Crush: 29
Cold: 27 Matter: 27 Thrust: 30
Heat: 27 Spirit: 28 Slash: 26

Skills:
11 Darkness




Focus:
50 Darkness Focus 50 Suppression


Chest:
Imbue Points: 33,5 of 28 (99% Qual) Overcharge: 24%
Gem 1: 7 Spirit Resist - 99% imperfect Vapor Shielding Jewel
Gem 2: 7 Energy Resist - 99% imperfect Light Shielding Jewel
Gem 3: 9 Thrust Resist - 98% polished Airy Shielding Jewel
Gem 4: 44 Hits - 98% polished Blood Essence Jewel
Utility: 57

Arms:
Imbue Points: 37,5 of 32 (100% Qual) Overcharge: 29%
Gem 1: 4 Darkness - 99% flawed Icy Chaos Rune
Gem 2: 22 Constitution - 98% precious Earthen Essence Jewel
Gem 3: 22 Dexterity - 98% precious Vapor Essence Jewel
Gem 4: 22 Piety - 98% precious Watery Essence Jewel
Utility: 64

Head:
Imbue Points: 33,5 of 28 (99% Qual) Overcharge: 24%
Gem 1: 9 Slash Resist - 99% polished Watery Shielding Jewel
Gem 2: 7 Energy Resist - 99% imperfect Light Shielding Jewel
Gem 3: 9 Matter Resist - 98% polished Earthen Shielding Jewel
Gem 4: 28 Hits - 98% flawed Blood Essence Jewel
Utility: 57

Legs:
Imbue Points: 33,5 of 28 (99% Qual) Overcharge: 24%
Gem 1: 25 Dexterity - 99% flawless Vapor Essence Jewel
Gem 2: 16 Constitution - 99% polished Earthen Essence Jewel
Gem 3: 22 Piety - 98% precious Watery Essence Jewel
Gem 4: 28 Hits - 98% flawed Blood Essence Jewel
Utility: 49

Hands:
Imbue Points: 37,5 of 32 (100% Qual) Overcharge: 29%
Gem 1: 19 Constitution - 99% faceted Earthen Essence Jewel
Gem 2: 7 Heat Resist - 98% imperfect Heated Shielding Jewel
Gem 3: 28 Piety - 98% perfect Watery Essence Jewel
Gem 4: 7 Crush Resist - 98% imperfect Firey Shielding Jewel
Utility: 59,3333358764648

Feet:
Imbue Points: 33,5 of 28 (99% Qual) Overcharge: 24%
Gem 1: 7 Spirit Resist - 99% imperfect Vapor Shielding Jewel
Gem 2: 28 Dexterity - 99% perfect Vapor Essence Jewel
Gem 3: 7 Body Resist - 98% imperfect Dusty Shielding Jewel
Gem 4: 20 Hits - 98% rough Blood Essence Jewel
Utility: 51,6666679382324

Right Hand:
Imbue Points: 0 of 28 (99% Qual) Overcharge: None
Gem 1: Empty -
Gem 2: Empty -
Gem 3: Empty -
Gem 4: Empty -
Utility: 0

Left Hand:
Imbue Points: 0 of 28 (99% Qual) Overcharge: None
Gem 1: Empty -
Gem 2: Empty -
Gem 3: Empty -
Gem 4: Empty -
Utility: 0

Two Handed:
Imbue Points: 37 of 32 (100% Qual) Overcharge: 26%
Gem 1: 50 Darkness Focus - 98% perfect Ice Rune
Gem 2: 50 Suppression - 98% perfect Dust Rune
Gem 3: 7 Darkness - 98% faceted Icy Chaos Rune
Gem 4: 7 Thrust Resist - 98% imperfect Airy Shielding Jewel
Utility: 51

Ranged:
Imbue Points: 0 of 28 (99% Qual) Overcharge: None
Gem 1: Empty -
Gem 2: Empty -
Gem 3: Empty -
Gem 4: Empty -
Utility: 0

Neck:
Name: Infernal Black Diamond Necklace
Level: 50 Quality: 91
Bonus: 25
Effect 1: 6 Body Resist
Effect 2: 6 Energy Resist
Effect 3: 6 Thrust Resist
Effect 4: 36 Hits
Utility: 45

Cloak:
Name: Scaffold Web Cloak
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Bonus: 35
Effect 1: 8 Cold Resist
Effect 2: 8 Heat Resist
Effect 3: 8 Spirit Resist
Effect 4: 6 Constitution
Utility: 52

Jewel:
Name: Glacier Jewel
Level: 50 Quality: 0
Bonus: 0
Effect 1: 12 Body Resist
Effect 2: 13 Cold Resist
Effect 3: 13 Slash Resist
Effect 4: Empty
Utility: 76

Belt:
Name: Accursed Belt of Might
Level: 44 Quality: 91
Bonus: 25
Effect 1: 4 Body Resist
Effect 2: 4 Crush Resist
Effect 3: 4 Slash Resist
Effect 4: 10 Strength
Utility: 30,6666660308838

Right Ring:
Name: Ring of Spun Silk
Level: 48 Quality: 100
Bonus: 35
Effect 1: 10 Matter Resist
Effect 2: 10 Crush Resist
Effect 3: 3 Constitution
Effect 4: 21 Hits
Utility: 47,25

Left Ring:
Name: Band of Ice
Level: 50 Quality: 89
Bonus: 25
Effect 1: 6 Cold Resist
Effect 2: 6 Heat Resist
Effect 3: 6 Spirit Resist
Effect 4: 13 Constitution
Utility: 44,6666679382324

Right Wrist:
Name: Pietet
Level: 49 Quality: 100
Bonus: 35
Effect 1: 8 Crush Resist
Effect 2: 8 Thrust Resist
Effect 3: 4 Piety
Effect 4: 6 Power
Utility: 46,6666679382324

Left Wrist:
Name: Jergursunn
Level: 49 Quality: 0
Bonus: 0
Effect 1: 6 Heat Resist
Effect 2: 6 Energy Resist
Effect 3: 8 Matter Resist
Effect 4: 30 Hits
Utility: 47,5


Alch:

6x Reactive Ablivative (armor)
1x DoT charge on staff