List issues - a suggestion.

[Whisperess]

Greetings, fellow people of Midgard.

It has come to my attention that the list business at H / lair has become more than a nuisance nowadays.

What really caught my attention was a separate Shadowblade list. Not being a Shadowblade myself, I can't stop to wonder what the whole point behind this is. Back in Shanae's days we had separate lists for healer/shammies, casters ( mainly PBT runies ), and tanks. ( call them a meat wall if you like. ), having a separate list for each and every class just doesn't make any sense.

Also, quite a few fellow Midgardians has sighed over being something like number seventeen on the list. With all due respect, those numbers could easily make another camp from the side of H or lair.

The main problem with this is the fact that there simply are no other listkeepers around to make another camp. My suggestion to solve this is that if you are part of the meat wall list ( Shadowblade, Hunter, Warrior, Thane, Berserker, Skald ) and find that you're put to list, ask the current listkeeper to be placed as secondary listkeeper.

When people ask the current listkeeper for a spot, and his camp is full, with all spots having atleast one backup ( Mender/Fender mainly ), they're shuffled over to the other listkeeper.

Example:

Person A, a proud Thane, asks person B who is listkeeper at H.
Person B replies that person C is listkeeper.
Person A then contacts person C and says:

"Person A, lvl 40 thane, looking for spot at H."

Person C, which has a full camp, with 1-2 backups for the meat wall replies:

"Sorry, our camp is full. I've added you to the list, but contact person D for their list as well."

Person A contacts person D with same information as he did with person C.

Person D replies, if space available: "Sure, you're in". Should camp spot 2 lack a certain member ( Mender/Fender, or not enough Meat Wallers ), they add ", but we need a [insert class here] before we can start."

If person A joins person D, they should contact person C and let them know that they are no longer interested in being on camp spot 1's list, in order to keep the updating fluid.


This suggestion would have many benefits as I see it ( otherwise I would not post it, now would I? )

1. Less waiting on list, more action and faster leveling.

2. More controllable lists, too many people on lists makes handling lists a major pain.

3. With the chance of getting a spot more easily, more people would go to H / Lair, instead of spots like [insert semi-good spot here], which in turn would result in never having a lack of a certain class.


The reason for posting this is twofold:

One, my dear Spiritmaster, Whisperess, is getting near H-level ( 36 at the moment ) and would appreciate a streamlined leveling to 50.

Two, it pains me to see a lot of fellow Midgardians at the brink of giving up when reaching the late 30's / early 40's. We need more people defending our realm / invading other realms. Sure, it is doable even at lower levels, but more revarding at level 50.

This suggestion may have flaws I have not thought about, but I would be happy to try to find a way to deal with these issues.
( instead of just saying: this won't work - come with proper explanations why, and a way to solve those issues ).

Let's work together and make the final stages a pleasant and enjoyable experience for all.

Best of regards,

 

[Runolaz]

Are they making separte SB/Hunter lists in H/Lair now???

 

[Whisperess]

I've had people from my guild report that they were #7 on Shadowblade list, yes.

I don't know if it was a one-timer, but it's about as stupid as it gets in my not so humble opinion.

 

[ghostspawn]

speaking from personal experience as a lvl 44 shadowblade. (was 43 at time of these events)

At H: Wasn't ever accepted/invited at H unless my healer guildie was kind enough to 'force' the situation, or I was the highest level there. Attempted to get groups there from 41 -> 43, would estimate only about a dozen attempts. Only one case of waiting 5 hrs then finding the group broke up.

At lair: Heh, am only a noob there so wasn't too hopeful, but I've managed to a group only the once now, after a half-dozen or so attempts. Only 1 case of LK ignoring me completely. (wouldn't respond to polite requests sent over 30min period)
One other case of waiting for 7hrs , with 'updates' from LK the whole time... turned out the wanker was pulling my leg and after my last request for update at the 7th hour he said group has disbanded, and no he didnt pass on the list to anyone either...

I can't be arsed with the politics behind this sort of shit so tend to try my luck getting on list and then just solo if I'm not accepted.
I'm not a sadist and the concept of soloing 44 -> 50 doesn't exactly turn me on... but then again if I've no choice whats the point in moaning?

As to your suggestion I personally don't think it will work. Why? Because ppl are lazy. No-one wants to be LK. I've only done it once and it wasn't too bad, but it was certainly enough to put me off from doing it again. The Lair/H seems to turn some perfectly reasonable and friendly ppl in utter wank-knuckles. Noone seems to speak out against the more aggressive exp-whores there are complaining that the healer had the audacity to actually stop a pull for 1 minutes because they needed to take a piss.
Why the hell is it we can group from lvl 15-38 in relative ease, have some fun, not really mind the downtime or odd bad-pull, but as soon as you ding 39 or earlier you get an exp-stiffy and would sell your own Mother for a bubble of exp.

Anyways enough rambling. The answer to this problem is plainly
42.

Sorry I don't have an alternative solution... I'm too cynical to believe there is one.

 

[Subbiz]

back in the days we didnt have lists. we formed our own groups. thats how it all should be like.

 

[Weeping Willow]

Yeah my point exactly, form your own groups instead. Or when you ask to join a group, offer to be listkeeper or something. If you have problems joining as a sb, try be a nice sb.

 

[Whisperess]

Mirlena, that's exactly what I tried to say.

This whole thread is about a way to seamlessly find people for another group.

( At the end of this paragraph )

"The main problem with this is the fact that there simply are no other listkeepers around to make another camp. My suggestion to solve this is that if you are part of the meat wall list ( Shadowblade, Hunter, Warrior, Thane, Berserker, Skald ) and find that you're put to list, ask the current listkeeper to be placed as secondary listkeeper."

Perhaps I should have rephrased it to say:

Ask the current listkeeper if you could fill the position as a secondary listkeeper.

The idea of "getting your own groups" is baked into this. I would love to do this, but sometimes it's very hard to find people, and this is where lists "help".

I love going out on guild hunts getting XP, RP, gold, items, or just plain fun ( yes, you should try that once in a while too ). But more often than not, not everyone is up for the idea, and there we go again, back to square 0.

Please not that this thread is no whine on anything going on, it's just a constructive suggestion on how to increase the enjoyment for those that do want to xp at H/Lair and do believe that lists can be done for a good cause.

And I also must agree that soloing at higher levels just doesn't cut it. I soloed yellow molochians in DF with Shanae during level 49, and believe me, it wasn't fun at all

( apart from the joyful first few mobs where I found out I could still solo ).

 

[Xandax]

Originally posted by Mirlena
If you have problems joining as a sb, try be a nice sb.

Ehhh......?
So when I didn't get group in Lair - it was cause I wasnt' "nice" enough? I question that statement severly - most all that know me, knows that I go out of my way to help people anyway I can (except don't give money to beggers )
Still couldn't get groups at lair when I tried - now I've stopped trying and have all but solo leveled though 47 and 48 and what of 49 I've done so far.

Being nice does nothing when people still freeze you out of groups because they obsess about getting to level 50 asap and thus try to make "perfect" groups.

 

[Haldar]

i've made my 43-->50 in 4 weekends

rise up at 6.00 gmt, log in, join 1st grp formed and exp at your leisure.

 

[Xandax]

Originally posted by Hroft[BC]
i've made my 43-->50 in 4 weekends

rise up at 6.00 gmt, log in, join 1st grp formed and exp at your leisure.

Well I would rather slow exp then get up at 6gmt in the weekends. Get enough of that in the weekdays (or rather 5.30 gmt weekdays).

 

[Hatt]

Oldest is best.

 

[Whisperess]

Very nice and constructive replies from all of you, thanks.

I guess I shouldn't even bother trying to come up with solutions for problems that is and has been current for several weeks now.

Nobody seem to care, just the plain old "it was better in the old days".

It might have been, and I did mention that I didn't have much of a problem at all when I was there with Shanae. What I did say that it has gotten a lot worse, and I just thought I would come with suggestions of how they who run into problems like this could act in order to lessen their problems.

But, as far as I can tell, helping others out in the realm to get to the end game by suggestions is not encouraged in any way, nor are people open for constructive discussions, just the plain old "we did it best, do it our way". Well, guess what? Your way is not working since people do get on lists and wait for several hours. They do not stay online with their character during this time, but log an alt and levels it for a bit or crafts. How easy is it to "fix your own groups" if there just isn't people online to do it?

Either enhance the list system to something that do work, or scrap the list entirely and just gather at those named places and work out groups for everyone.

And for the "oldtimers", try giving those who weren't around at your time more insight on how you did things, so they can use your golden path to the endgame. Just stating that your way was better, without giving detailed explanations on how you did go about will certainly not help those who have problems with a list system.

I didn't have any problems with it, nor do I think I will have a problem with it due to grouping with approximately the same people all the time, but I do want to help those that do have problems to find ways to solve those problems.

Soloing is the last thing I would like to do for the highest levels, I did solo at the end of 49 with Shanae, but found no pleasure in it at all.

Ghostspawn: yes, it do appear people are lazy. I offered a way to make it easier to be LK, and thus more would try being it. If it will be used or not, well, I can't tell ( probably not ). But atleast I tried to actually do something about it, which makes me feel less lazy.

 

[Archeon]

I've found the easiest way to do this list is to bypass it, i did this naturally as a healer most of the time especially once i got high enough to qualify as pri-mezzer, which i hated but did all the same.

for SM's i can see the list as being less of a problem as well as everyone seems to be going for the PBAE group idea with draks. personally i don't see the advantage over normal leveling because mana takes twice as long to regain compared with endurance


But for the tanks unfortunatly the only way to bypass the list is to either start your own group or wake up early enough to be online when they start (at arround 7am) which i did during my final push to lvl 50.

Thank god i'm a really bad lvler i'd hate to have to go back to malmo

 

[old.Stang]

Nice idea but it will not work, most ppl are to busy to get to 50 asap and dont care/dont want spend time on that. You have to be lucky to find a group/lk who doest care about that, sometimes you meet a group/lk like that and then you can get some exp. But normaly SB's who lfg/waiting on list will be ignored, we spent most of the time at Lair/H with waiting, exp for a SB at Lair is in most cases a dream.

Offcourse there are some options to make it better, starting early morning when groups wil start to exp, i dont have the time to do that because rl things. Asking the lk around 2-4pm and hoping for a spot later in the evening is another option, but between 6-7pm rl needs me again and when the lk inform me about an open spot iam not on and loose my spot.

3 more levels at Lair will not take to much time, for me 3 levels there can take ages, i dont want to complain but this is the fact for me (and many others i guess...)