Lifetap formula

[Tilda]

Hey,
In RvR, there are 2 different formulas around for DD's and lifetaps.
From what I gather, the DD's one is <delve>*3 however i remember reading something about lifetaps being similar but with an extra bit of dammage due to the higher chance of a spell being resisted.
Anybody know what the lifetap formula is?

Tilda

 

[Night]

Pin! i summon thee!

 

[Aloca]

Goggle is your friends m8.
http://daoc.nisrv.com/modules.php?name=DD_DMG_Calculator

 

[Archeon]

Goggle is your friends m8.

Goggle scares me tbh, it tried to beat me up and steal my lunch money

Google on the other hand is my bestest of friends

 

[Night]

something wrong with that calc, think its the cast speed.

 

[Pin]

Hey,
In RvR, there are 2 different formulas around for DD's and lifetaps.
From what I gather, the DD's one is <delve>*3 however i remember reading something about lifetaps being similar but with an extra bit of dammage due to the higher chance of a spell being resisted.
Anybody know what the lifetap formula is?

Cap damage is <delve>*3 for both DD and lifetap. However, lifetaps do have a small bonus to damage (not affecting cap), which scales along with the percentage return on the lifetap (i.e. a 60% lifetap gets a 6% bonus to damage, and a 90% lifetap gets a 9% bonus to damage).
So, if you're nuking with lifetaps, you have a bonus of between 0.5 and 1 'relic-worth' (a relic gives +10% damage, not affecting cap), or a few keeps...

Goggle is your friends m8.
http://daoc.nisrv.com/modules.php?name=DD_DMG_Calculator

Unfortunately, that calculator is absolute garbage - every formula in it is grossly inaccurate.

 

[katt!]

Cap damage is <delve>*3 for both DD and lifetap. However, lifetaps do have a small bonus to damage (not affecting cap), which scales along with the percentage return on the lifetap (i.e. a 60% lifetap gets a 6% bonus to damage, and a 90% lifetap gets a 9% bonus to damage).
So, if you're nuking with lifetaps, you have a bonus of between 0.5 and 1 'relic-worth' (a relic gives +10% damage, not affecting cap), or a few keeps...


Unfortunately, that calculator is absolute garbage - every formula in it is grossly inaccurate.

shouldnt the extra damage be balanced out by the fact that lts get resisted more?

(which i swear i can remember reading somewhere.)

 

[Ceryseth]

Hmmm formula seems wrong on the base lifetap....says my cap should b 608 when its 621 but close enough i guess



Edit:Forgot to untick the New Frontiers RA System box cap and average dmg seems correct now

 

[Pin]

shouldnt the extra damage be balanced out by the fact that lts get resisted more?

(which i swear i can remember reading somewhere.)

Haven't seen a definitive test, and only recall comments from Mage TLs when they were rallying for the introduction of the level 50 lifetap - and if you compare the resist rate of a level 45 base lifetap with a level 50 base DD, of course it will be higher.

It might be the case that lifetaps resist more, but it really doesn't seem like it to me. (Feel free to nuke someone 1000 times with same-level lifetaps and DDs and report your findings!)

 

[Jess]

The (lengthy) discussion is here:

VN Mystic board

The discussion is mostly centered around the sorceres baseline lifetap

 

[katt!]

Haven't seen a definitive test, and only recall comments from Mage TLs when they were rallying for the introduction of the level 50 lifetap - and if you compare the resist rate of a level 45 base lifetap with a level 50 base DD, of course it will be higher.

It might be the case that lifetaps resist more, but it really doesn't seem like it to me. (Feel free to nuke someone 1000 times with same-level lifetaps and DDs and report your findings!)

im pretty sure it was something about lts having double resistchecks. ill see if i can find the thread.

 

[Pin]

Hmmm formula seems wrong on the base lifetap....says my cap should b 608 when its 621 but close enough i guess

Edit:Forgot to untick the New Frontiers RA System box cap and average dmg seems correct now

Well. Cap damage is easy as that's 3*<delve>*<MoM>*<ToA>.
It's all the other formulae which are crap: Castspeed, all damage formulae (for all 'spec-lines'), in particular relating to acuity and spec modifiers - you may enter a couple of values and get 'fairly close', but that's just down to them being similar to the line which he tested with (almost everything else is derived from guesswork based on minimal testing with his wind theurg).
Crit-related probabilities were wrong (and he removed them in that layout of the calculator).
It's also lacking any sort of modifiers for speccing below 50, or non-level-50 subjects (excusable).

 

[Pin]

The (lengthy) discussion is here:

VN Mystic board

The discussion is mostly centered around the sorceres baseline lifetap

That thread basically contains:

a) Dozens of people making statements of fact by quoting numbers the mortal peril DD calculator - garbage;
b) Dozens of whines trying to get Sorcs nerfed;
c) The Sorc TL trying to downplay everything he can to stop the nerf calls;
d) A handful of useful real numbers which get drowned-out or ignored.

FH thread commenting on that thread: https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=28892 (Tilda forgot how to use search to find this?)
In particular, my post in that thread: https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showpost.php?p=390026&postcount=71

 

[Ralgedi Smurf]

7. I know far, far, far too much shit about this bloody game.

Hehe True!

But its nice ayway, to get the facts out in the light instead of all the bullshit people tend to say ^^

so keep them facts comming

Ps. How do you know stuff like this?

 

[Pin]

Ps. How do you know stuff like this?

I make it all up, but say it in an authoritative manner so people believe me!

 

[Tharion]

I make it all up, but say it in an authoritative manner so people believe me!

I think thats actually true

/wave to Pin

 

[Yadeniel]

QQ, lets nerf sorc/cabys cos albs have found a compete setup? :/

 

[Arnor]

I make it all up, but say it in an authoritative manner so people believe me!

as long as they dont know, it doesnt matter if you dont know

 

[Valeres]

but if they know that you know they don't know that we know that they know, then you're in trouble

 

[etcetra]

To be honest, I think Pin knows more about the game than any of the gamemasters, and maybe even the developers.

They have an area each, and Pin knows them all.
Ive said it before, and I say it again, "Pin for president!"

 

[Sargoth]

yeah, I wanna be Pin when I grow up :worthy:

 

[Drummer]

With all respect to Pin but I don't

 

[Tinyheals]

"Pin for president!"

 

[Tilda]

Thanks Pin.
:worthy:

 

[Snakester]

Pin's actually Sanya Thomas, came over here to excal cos all US servers are crap.

 

[Huntingtons]

pin you take students?

i want to be as wise as thee!