Let's try for relics

[old.Trapp|Uberleech]

Nothing more needs to be said. We just need more initiatives atm.

 

[Cloak_]

Mebbe when hibs can stop arguing with each other things like that will become a smidgen easier

 

[Thorinn]

Originally posted by Trapp|Uberleech
Nothing more needs to be said. We just need more initiatives atm.

Yeah Trapp im in on that one, and im sure the whole of DO are in too. So lets unite under a few crusade leaders and launch an attack, instead of launch 100 attacks with 100 leaders

 

[old.Setakari]

Hard to do when noone listens... and just bang their head against a wall, get killed by someone, release and do the exact same thing.

I wonder if there's ever going to be someone that can rally people and make them listen to him/her. That would be ooooh so nice.

Sadly, that isnt going to happen.

 

[Leverz]

We will soon. Invite only.

 

[Nicky Nook]

Yep Fellow Friends check you /tells soon

 

[tilde]

i will be suprised if u attack midgard

 

[old.Nol]

hehehe

lol - me too

 

[Keri]

Originally posted by Lanvar
Invite only.

Do me a favour and after this exclusive relic taking of your is over, post the names of those who took part so I can remember never to give them a res at any time in the future. What utter crap this is, planning a relic raid, then publicly stating it will be by invitation only.

WTG .. what a great way to unite Hibernia. I'm disgusted, and ashamed to be a Hibernian.

 

[old.Trapp|Uberleech]

Keri, pull yourself together. we need level restrictions on the raid, simple as that, it is laggy, and good way to prevent it is keeping some sort of lvl restriction, hence invitations.

 

[Keri]

Originally posted by Trapp|Uberleech
Keri, pull yourself together. we need level restrictions on the raid, simple as that, it is laggy, and good way to prevent it is keeping some sort of lvl restriction, hence invitations.

Then keep your little private party to yourselves, and don't announce it on here. This kind of elitist attitude does absolutely nothing to unite the realm. I thought this attitude of "you're not high enough lvl to be of any use" was dead and buried long ago.

 

[old.Trapp|Uberleech]

I see your point in that it's not uniting hibernia. There is a good and a bad side of everything. You can't please everyone. If everyone is invited ppl would whine about that. If levelrestrictions, people whine about that too obviously.

PS. This is just my general opinion on the topic. I have no idea on who or what levels will be invited to any future raids. DS

 

[Keri]

I see your point in that it's not uniting hibernia. There is a good and a bad side of everything. You can't please everyone. If everyone is invited ppl would whine about that. If levelrestrictions, people whine about that too obviously.

When the uber Hibs got to the 30s, the message was sent out that only lvl 30+ should go to RvR. Now that they are all 45+, I'm guessing the "invitations" will only be for lvl 45+. When there are 24 lvl 50s, will raids only be for those who are also lvl 50?

Of course, by announcing your little private party on here, you are giving Alb and Mid a great opportunity to get ther spy network in place. Wouldn't it be funny if both realms teamed up and whupped your butts?

If you're planning a private raid, keep it private .. don't go bragging on here about it. If you can't do anything constructive to unite Hibernia, the least you can do is refrain from doing something destructive

 

[old.Trapp|Uberleech]

Just a question here. Since you think all I want is to do destructive things for hibernia, be a little constructive yourself instead of just... well you know what fits in here . Tell me how it should be done. Invite whole of hibernia is your idea? (all levels welcome). If you get it to work. /salute.

At least people are trying here.

 

[Keri]

Read the first sentence of my last paragraph again. If you want to have a little private raid, go ahead. Just keep it private. I have no objection to private raids.

The way inwhich I try to be constructive is in offering my services to people every time I go to Ligen, no matter what level they are. If there is space in the group I am in, and someone needs bard speed to get to where the fighting is, then they get an invite. While in battle areas, I res whoever needs a res. Obviously, other ressers get ressed first, whether they were in my group or not. I never say to myself things like "oh, he's only a grey and will die again quickly, so I won't bother ressing him."

If Hibernia had someone who would step forward and be a real RvR leader, this would help the whole realm. Someone who has the knowledge, and would be willing to send guild leaders a list of advice/tips etc. for RvR. Guild leaders could then forward this information to guild members. This list could include advice for those new to RvR .. such topics as why people should stay behind those elected to be at the front of the battle (those at the front know exactly how close to a keep you can be without pulling the guards). Players who have not been to RvR don't know these things. Explain it to them rather than just yelling at them for pulling the guards. A good RvR leader would also plan raids in which all levels could take part. Imagine the effect it would have on another realm if one night, every single Hibernian showed up to take Crauchon back? Yes, people would die, yes, there would be lag .. but what a hell of a show of unity it would be. Yeah, I know .. it will never happen. But seriously, those under lvl 45 really could help a relic raid. Who else would hold the Albs and Mids back at their walls? I think it would make the private party's raid a lot easier if the non-uber were brought into it, with a specific role like that.

Maybe people could post in a thread putting forward suggestions for an elected RvR leader (giving good examples of why they should be elected, not just because they are someone's buddy).

 

[old.Trapp|Uberleech]

This last post I like. Some nice constructive ideas about various rvr subjects. Much more fun to read than just plain whining.

Just a little tip about regular emain rvring:
If you go to emain with a full group, when you get there, do NOT join the big hibernian force, wheter it is in valley in bowl etc. instead (presuming you have bardspeed) everyone /stick bard at all times when you are not fihting, and run arround using the whole of emain. Let bard be "leader" (or someone else if it suits you better). when you run into enemies, bard decides if you stay to kill them fast, or if enemy is too strong, turn arround and leave. This is both fun and a good way to rvr, having a bard you will always be able to get out of trouble, most of it depends on the "leader". And if you got a stealther grouped, he cán go scout and if he says "come" then you all fast go to him. some disipline is needed in this type of rvr of course, but it is well worth it in the end.

PS. Pls don't call all highlevel people uber-players, as if that is the way highlevelplayers are generally looking at themselves. AS for me and Lanvar having the word "uber" involved in our nicks, common it is all selfirony, and we don't have it there because of our levels DS.

 

[Novamir]

trapp=lowbie

 

[BlueJam]

Originally posted by tilde
i will be suprised if u attack midgard

I'll be suprised if they attack Albion.

 

[old.Nol]

...

There is loads of merit in selecting a single leader for general battle co-ordination, maybe a council of leaders to feed RvR tips back to guild leaders tp pass on.

I don't know if you were in emain last night, but put it this way, I have decent kit and I was suffering with the lag, the were lots of times when my char would stick for few seconds and nothing would happen. This is why I think a force of high lelvels would find it easier to take the relic keep. I don't mean 2 groups, I mean a 5 groups minimum.

I do not expect to be included, I am not high lvl rank or XP wise. I would be doing my best to protect emain while they're away (i.e. being smitten )

 

[Nicky Nook]

Ok Keri when is your raid and do i get an invite?

 

[old.Hatchet]

Keri you seem to assume the invitations will be based on level... i'm curious too

 

[old.Vendetta]

Originally posted by Nicky Nook
Ok Keri when is your raid and do i get an invite?

Keri well posted and lots of valid points, the above is the typical reply to anyone who offers criticsm in Hibernia.


Surely this thread was made to ammuse our enemies, as a serious raid would be arranged on secure forums, well hib don't have them.

Ortunga to his credit tried setting such a forum up a long while back but no one was interested say no more on Hib organisation.

 

[Verena]

I have to agree a bit with Trapp here, but that mainly cause in the raids where 100+ people attend I have absolutly nothing to offer.

Why? Cause I'm soo lagged that I can't even walk 1 step in 10 seconds. The only way I could ever attend a raid would be a private one, not cause I want to/or feel uber but cause for me it's pure frustation. I don't want to hear people chitchatting about some movie they saw last night so that I can't see the leaders announcements.

You did bring up some very valid points and I believe that it would indeed solve a lot of problems. _BUT_.

Does anyone know how long the range is for /yells? People love to start chatting with /y allthough they're on a "secret" raid. Common sense is the other side of the coin and some have a severe lack of it. My last raid got me so annoyed that I sworn never to return to a raid where "some" particular guilds are present too.

It's not just the chatting/yelling that annoys me. It's the people who refuse to /stick to the leader and pull some drakes on a whole group. It's the people who "have" to speak Spanish during raids. It's the incredible stubborn mentality of some that will keep me from going on a raid where the whole of hib is present. Sure uniting sounds very nice but untill some people grow a brain I won't be joining the big ones.

Uniting "could" solve some problems but I can't grow a brain for someone else's head.

 

[Nicky Nook]

Keri well posted and lots of valid points,

yes and so do i BUT the post here was posted just to see how much interest there would be in taking a Relic Within Hibernia and it looks like we are getting a good response although Keri had some good points but imo went off on one attacking players who are trying investigate the best way this should be done.

Keri you seem to assume the invitations will be based on level... i'm curious too

Correct Hatchet who said anything about levels.Trapp did say this ...*we need level restrictions on the raid* but that was the number of people on the raid not there level.

Ok Vendetta you are also correct in assuming that if and when we take a Relic that we will not be posting it on here thats for sure.

But i will say this it will happen we know the Guilds we want to help and if they help it will work as we will make it work..

Last but not least posts like this one

Mebbe when hibs can stop arguing with each other things like that will become a smidgen easier

and how right is this person its really true words once some people come up with the idea they get Flamed but as Trapp said again you cant please everyone and we wont because imo if you try to you will never get a Relic...Last post here on the Subject from me anyway.

 

[Salazar]

A 200 people relic raid would be fantastic... to Albion of course... must hate albs. But since its almost impossible to put up for first place... 3 hours forming groups and waiting for some1 to come from Innis etc. since we dont have that channel to communicate with whole realm.

The lag would make me useless... i could only stare to ground with no effects on... and try occasional f8 to target something...

The amount of /y´s and other spam would make everything that is important within messages lost.

When we would take off we would loose 50 people that wont stick on the way... and 50 would die on the mobs... natural reason... the leader walks so much ahead that mobs have moved when tail gets to them.

We could make somekinda practice try... just for fun. So no-one would have to be so disappointed if we fail... it would be totally doable with numbers and levels we have... but we would need everyone online agreed time etc. and still done secretly from enemies. And we would need total silence during raid... so the important messages would be heard etc.

Lower lvl´s can be sent to guard walls etc. of course... watch our backs and that sort of stuff... but the organization without proper channel to communicate is impossible. I personally dont trust alliance channels to be too secure

Ok.. so im not saying anything that hasnt been said before.. so flame me or something

 

[old.Badger]

It is very doable..

But yes you need to plan this more than just an "everyone welcome" scenario..

So how do you do it without upsetting everyone?

You use wits and guile and do use everyone...

Lower level players fight in emain, some medium levels rove enemy xp grounds, other groups with stealth abilities cover the approach routes in different zones.

Only in the main relic taking group do you restrict the numbers and levels to keep the godforsaken lag out.

I don't mind what role I get in any of the groups, we will take the relic if we plan it right and we should give every group, lvl and guild a role to play .

You might be the guy who drops their minstrel or skald supplying their reinforcements speed two zones away, you might be the one that drops their xp'er alt making them waste valuable time chasing you down instead of logging on their main to help the relic defence...

Being in the main group at the relic fort is only gonna matter if 200 reinforcements don't turn up ;-)

Plan this well or don't plan it all. Albio already proved in hib that numbers or determination are only part of the formula to win. 25 Hib defenders saw that at first hand

 

[Cuthervaen]

relic raid

Totally agree badger, anyone can help on a relic raid regardless of level, as long as they understand that there is no point for a lower than abotu 35-40 level to go bash things at the relic keep as you can't hit much things.

But getting several groups if they know what to do (and have the numbers to do it) can work wonders and keep lag bearable.

Anyway fully agreeing with Trapp would eb a good thing for the whole server that we'd go grab a relic soon.

Would actually make things more interesting... Hibernia now has small groups that are awesome at guerilla tactics in emain (thinking about Xnijih and Nova for one thing) but would be nice to go to larger scale war with soem organisation.

 

[old.Halfmad]

You could easily have the high level group at the relic keep and other groups either capturing keeps or blocking defenders getting out thier gates in the first place.

It's not usually lag that's the main problem in relic takes, its usually everyones computers grinding to a halt due to the numbers of people on-screen, spell effects (can now disable) and sound effects.

Personally I dont care about relics, until DF comes in keeps/relics are pretty over rated

having said that I'm always up for a fight

 

[Keri]

Thank you Badger, I'm glad to see someone else realises that almost anyone can play a useful role in a relic raid. It would be great to have a raid involving several groups ... some holding back Albs and Mids at their walls, as I mentioned. you have some great ideas there.

As for the spamming/yelling .. I think it is the guild leaders' responsibility to hold guild meetings in which they pass on the do's and dont's of RvR. They should also give reasons as to why people should not yell. Telling people not to, without explaining the problems that things like yelling create, will not encourage them to follow the unwritten RvR CoC.

 

[Tank Init]

im in with the in crowd i does what the in crowd does if u not with the in crowd u can do what the un - leet does

not going to mention names or guilds but it def happening in hibby land