Lessons Learned ?

[Turamber]

Ladies and gentlemen of Albion... what lessons can we draw from Midgard's latest successful relic raid?

They do say that one learns more from a defeat than a victory, so lets have some candid and honest opinions here on the way forward. Flame free please, but all helpful comments are welcomed.

 

[old.mattshanes]

That half our high lvs go to emain while we are under attack and even know about it also people not using hasteners to their advantage.

 

[Amanita]

<takes a notice onto the wall that says "Flame Fest Imminent">

 

[Korebwyn]

big issue

people not knowing our frontier ( more mob killspam in pennine than mids/hibs )! nor what to do in situations like that. i saw atleast 40 (roughly) people at excal just standing there guarding nothing (no relics left) , could have gone mmg instead or something. dunno not playing much more anyways

 

[Korebwyn]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
That half our high lvs go to emain while we are under attack and even know about it also people not using hasteners to their advantage.

who did that btw? when i was inside relictower (tower door at ~80) there were 3 in emain

 

[old.Sko]

Field FG into hadrians.

Well, i logged near beno once and next day was too lazy to do anything. So just sat at crossroads, while reading book. Surprisingly some activity exists at hadrians, so ...
And take the damn relics back. A proper 4am raid should fix the problem. (Hate lag associated with primetime relic zerging)

 

[Fafnir]

Re: Field FG into hadrians.

Originally posted by old.Sko
And take the damn relics back. A proper 4am raid should fix the problem. (Hate lag associated with primetime relic zerging)

Yup this is prolly how you will get them back. It sticks thou.

 

[Generic Poster]

Don't count on it, Fafnir.


When Albion is invaded by Mids/Hibs, there is very little reaction by the Albions. Most prefer to port straight to Emain, instead of heading out into their own frontier.

Hardly surprising that mids pulled off a relic raid in broad daylight.


The sad thing is, this won't change much at all and people will carrying on playing as they have done before.

 

[minnie]

Why has no one mentioned the fact that they were taken on the launch day of the pvp server ?

Mids had all day to decide how to do it fast and effectively.

Prydwen was very low on numbers of albs and alb reaction was IMO slow.

I also found that the info I was given was incorrect to those of us who went to excal ...one minute we had the people who had taken then and then we didn't

No point getting into heavy discussion though about why/how we let our relics go so easily, much more constructive is the act of planning how to get them back.

That is already happening and the mids hopefully will have no idea of when and how we will do that but one thing the mids can be sure of is...


WE WILL GET THEM BACK !

 

[old.Plebo]

I was only online just before the relic was taken back to midgard, but from what i've been told the main reason we failed to defend was due to the sheer speed that the Mids got the Relics. It is hard to counter their attack when it happened so quickly and effectively.

I'm not sure how many went to emain at the time, but i've seen this happen on previous raid - presumably people think its a good time to capture keeps at the expense of the relics.

Here are some suggestions:
1) We need some people to be on 'listening post' duty. They can sit near the mgs and keep an eye on who is coming through. However, i'm not sure that many players will be prepared to do anything so boring. The Midgard players seem a bit more dedicated in this respect and seem to get word out about our attacks pretty quick.
2) We need people to know more about relic raids. I think a lot of players, including me, and pretty ignorant about what happens on relic raids. Perhaps some albs didn't know that they could intercept the relic carrier, and presumaby also intercept him/her in Midgard as they take the relic to their relic keep. Perhaps someone would care to enlighten us on what happens.
3) Guilds/alliances need to get non-spammed cgs set up between the gms pretty quickly and someone needs to take charge.
4) People should print out maps of the frontiers, assuming they don't already, so they know the way to hmg and mmg if needed.

I think the fact they attacked during launch day of PvP server is no excuse....a good idea in my opinion. About 10 minutes before the relic was actually captured, I did a /who and there were 410 Albions online. I don't think that is significantly lower than normal, so I don't think its fair to say most people were on PvP server either.

A good relic raid and all credit to 'em. All we need to do is get our act together and strike with similar precision.

 

[minnie]

I agree with all the above except possibly that I am still convinced that the launch of pvp and less albs on line did have a part to play in the mid sucess.

 

[BimboBane]

Originally posted by minnie
Why has no one mentioned the fact that they were taken on the launch day of the pvp server ?

Mids had all day to decide how to do it fast and effectively.

Prydwen was very low on numbers of albs and alb reaction was IMO slow.

excuse me for pointing out that all realms was affected by the launch of the RvR server, espesaly us grinding our teeth that we could not get on the damn server

//BimboBane

 

[Glyph_mid]

As Bimbobane wrote, PVP server was open for everyone.
The raid was planned long ago though, but not intenting on using the PvP server as launch for it.
The event in Vendo Caves did help gather the people , so a little thanks to GOA

 

[kreig]

Minnie

You are a class example of what albion has to put up with, its because of ppl like you that albion is in such dyer straights.

You claim to be albion in this thread but yet in another thread you blatently flame me (not bothered - your opninion), and the fact of the mater is if you will not stick up for your own realm players so by doing that you condem us all!

Albion has the biggest population of selfish ppl it seems! Including certain guilds who are suppost to be the l33t of the realm, who when told about the relic raid would rather play the PvP server.... Not mentioning names.

 

[Jace]

A few observations, be they right or wrong

The raid was very swift giving us little time to react with only Eralseigh being taken before hand. That said the realm was slow to react. I think we are all guilty of some degree of apathy when we hear one of our keeps has fallen and I think we should all take steps to address this, myself included.

It seems that the majority of people would rather engage in the sensless emain RvR than defend their realm. I'm not talking about people going to emain when the relic raid was happening, I have no idea if there were any there or not. I'm reffering more to the act of taking keeps back. Mythic are partly to blame here for sure as it's not unreasonable that people want as many rps as possible and keep retakes don't often provide many.

I've always felt that our lands should be invader free, other realms should see it as a no-go area and not the playground it is turning into. Had we all reacted to the capture of Erasleigh maybe the Relics would be where they belong

Anyway, on the plus side we should all see some very interesting RvR over the coming weeks, months, hell as long as it takes to bring Midgard to their knees

 

[Makwaerk]

Imo you lost the relics due to the fact that you spotted us to late.... usely when we show up at excal there is allrdy 20+ albs, this time there was none (atleast I did not see any).

I was pretty sure that we would bring the relics home, when I was fighting my way up the hill. Hell Roo even took time to stand down hill and yelling out basic orders before we charged up

 

[Col|]

A Question

I'd like to ask the Mids who took the relics, those actually in the relic keep and around the 2 relics there, was there any death spam from a Teoalb at all? I'm curious to see if we have a Teo<something> or not.

 

[vayasen]

Simple -

Mids planned raid on day of PVP. Because it was planned....more mids stayed around to launch the assault. Albs were low on numbers.


Simple maths.
Raid on day where not manby around and you can win easilly with luck.

Well done mids...nothing wrong with a raid on day of PVP opening imho....was a pretty obvious thing to try tbh.

Conclusion - no inquest needed.

 

[Blessus]

The one i always see being the differance is this.Albion = alot of people spread out allover the place with little or no communication.The only Mids i saw were en masse working together.Never saw any small grps or guys left behind to fend for themselves.

 

[minnie]

whats your problem krieg ?

I was simply stating the obvious. many of us on the server rushed to excal to try to stop it but IMO many people would much rather continue their rp chasing in emain

I went immediately to excal ...not my fault that not everyone else did the same and not my fault that the mids used pvp launch day to do the relic steal.

I am a true Alb ... my realm is important to me and if criticising some is necessary then I shall do so cos this is a FREE country

 

[kreig]

Originally posted by minnie
msg to kreig
you're a dick


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Now then, could this be a Mid complaining about our Krieg doing what the mid Cylian does ?

Oh dear, life's a bitch

My problem? Good to see supposedly fellow albs sticking up for each other! Its because of general attitudes like this that albion lye’s in a state of chaos.

Originally posted by minnie
whats your problem krieg ?

I was simply stating the obvious. many of us on the server rushed to excal to try to stop it but IMO many people would much rather continue their rp chasing in emain

I went immediately to excal ...not my fault that not everyone else did the same and not my fault that the mids used pvp launch day to do the relic steal.

I am a true Alb ... my realm is important to me and if criticising some is necessary then I shall do so cos this is a FREE country

It seems to me that if albion is to stand up against mid and hib we need to get rid of attitudes like this, form a decent alliance and actually understand what realm vs realm means, as most of the albs seem quite selfish.

And btw its Kreig, u phool.

 

[tieris]

Originally posted by vayasen
Simple -

Mids planned raid on day of PVP. Because it was planned....more mids stayed around to launch the assault. Albs were low on numbers.


Simple maths.
Raid on day where not manby around and you can win easilly with luck.

Well done mids...nothing wrong with a raid on day of PVP opening imho....was a pretty obvious thing to try tbh.

Conclusion - no inquest needed.

I totally agree with that, nice planning and brilliant timing on the raid. Why couldnt us albs of done something similar.......... makes you think.

 

[Gabrial]

Originally posted by old.Plebo
Here are some suggestions:
1) We need some people to be on 'listening post' duty. They can sit near the mgs and keep an eye on who is coming through. However, i'm not sure that many players will be prepared to do anything so boring. The Midgard players seem a bit more dedicated in this respect and seem to get word out about our attacks pretty quick.

I think Mattshanes mentioned this idea once before - he has 2 alb accounts and was gonna log one lvl 50 at a MG?

Could have been someone else though - nice idea though, logging alts in MG to keep lookout?

 

[old.Morchaoron]

Originally posted by Turamber
Ladies and gentlemen of Albion... what lessons can we draw from Midgard's latest successful relic raid?

Even with 5 relics they are still crap