Legion Raids

[Ziva]

I know some things have changed since Censi announced on public he would not continue the free for all format. But the way the raids are handled right now is not right imho.

I have seen raids where at start people were told the loot was lottoed for all and in the end everything turned out to be preclaimed and people were told basically to f*** off.

Now i'm not blaming anyone or any guild in particular but i'm hoping we can find a way to solve this cause i think a lot of people won't join Legion Raids in the future because of the way things are going right now.

Maybe some suggestions, hope other people can think of other/better ones:

I can understand that if groups join without beeing asked it's basically their own fault but isn't it better to change the meeting point before entering DF then? As crowded as it is already at entrance... a big Legion Zerg isn't going to make it better i think. Plus the fact more people will think they can join which isn't the case.

Maybe announce again just before leaving that (whatever) loot is preclaimed and what loot isn't to give people the chance to drop before going along and finding out in the end they basically gained nothing but a face to face with legion.

Instead of preclaiming maybe we can find another way (more fair way) to divide the loot. Like make a competition or something or a quiz i dunno... maybe someone else has ideas.

And for Legion itself... at the moment it almost looks like a particular group of people "own" him which is ridiculous cause it's a free for all mob. So how can we find a way to make sure everyone get's equal chances in this matter?

I really like to stress out this thread is not meant to be a flame, i hope togheter we somehow can work out a better format so we can all benefit from the drops this mob hands.

 

[Tyka]

Whoever have the power of speech, can make the legion raids exactly how they want it to be, preclaimed or not preclaimed.
So in my humble opinion Ziva instead of trying to changes peoples mind by making a thread on barrysworld, organise a legion raid yourself, just the way you want it.

 

[oblivion_6]

Id love to organise a legion raid but i see how much pain it causes censi everytime with peeps not listening and being rude

Did u not do some raids tyka?

why not take up his crown?

 

[Ziva]

Originally posted by Tyka
Whoever have the power of speech, can make the legion raids exactly how they want it to be, preclaimed or not preclaimed.
So in my humble opinion Ziva instead of trying to changes peoples mind by making a thread on barrysworld, organise a legion raid yourself, just the way you want it.

Ok maybe u misread my post... im not trying to change anyones mind here, im not talking about who should or should not organize a raid... hell when time comes i might even try one... i'm not flaming Legion Raid leaders... im hoping for some contructive comments and solutions on how we all can make a format to make raids for everyone (preclaimed, non-preclaimed, pre-formed groups, non-preformed groups).

And for what it's worth i do agree that the Raid Leader determines the rules but my post was not about that issue at all.

 

[Tyka]

I did not misread your post, You did not criticise anyone Ziva but you came up with ideas, you say maybe we should this, maybe we should that. With my experience from daoc all i can say that this wont work, if you want something done the best way to do it is to organise it yourself.

And i know your post was not issue about what raid leaders do, but, you wanted opinions about how people like the legion raids to be done? right? Let me explain it to you, the majority of people you ask on these boards would say that raids should be free for all and everyone should have same chance to get an item. Ask the same people if they would think the same if they organise it, i would think not.

My opinion and conclusion about these 50 legion raid threads is that the raid leader deciedes the rules and if people dont like it they can make their own raids. However there is always some people that always moan and are never happy, that is what will happen when you have a group of 4 or more groups. That's MO.

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by Ziva


Ok maybe u misread my post... im not trying to change anyones mind here, im not talking about who should or should not organize a raid... hell when time comes i might even try one... i'm not flaming Legion Raid leaders... im hoping for some contructive comments and solutions on how we all can make a format to make raids for everyone (preclaimed, non-preclaimed, pre-formed groups, non-preformed groups).

And for what it's worth i do agree that the Raid Leader determines the rules but my post was not about that issue at all.

Don't expect Tyka to agree with you Ziva, after all Vengeance have a prime spot on a Censi raid

Personally I'm thinking maybe we start doing prince raids as a test of our orginizational skills and build up from there, the basics should be no preclaiming but a definite idea of lotto rules and how the raid is to be conducted laid out beforehand.
Personally rather than forming attack grps with automatic legion drops for them as an iducement/payoff/bribe to go, we could use a handful of trustworthy/reliable people who will be grp leaders to take some of the stress off the raid leader.
I'll see if I'm awake enough today to talk to a few people about it

 

[Envenom2]

why bother with legion raids when spell craft etc comes legion items wont be worth shit and there not that good anyway tbh do urself a favour get some friends and go money farming because thats what u need not crappy legion items

 

[angara-ffs]

Don't expect Tyka to agree with you Ziva, after all Vengeance have a prime spot on a Censi raid

Nice wink....but u had to mention it again, its not funny for those in guild and for Censi, think about that for a second before you start "funny-trolling" again.

 

[StormriderX]

Originally posted by Envenom2
why bother with legion raids when spell craft etc comes legion items wont be worth shit and there not that good anyway tbh do urself a favour get some friends and go money farming because thats what u need not crappy legion items

Would take at least 1month after sc comes out before you see any legendary master spell crafters, so its a little while off for uber items.

 

[Tyka]

Originally posted by elerand

Don't expect Tyka to agree with you Ziva, after all Vengeance have a prime spot on a Censi raid

This is what i get for posting my opinions on a thread.
Listen you board troll, Vengeance has never needed anyone to get what they want, we could always take care of ourselves and dont need to be in Censi's raids to get what we need.

 

[Exiled]

*you resist the urge to and :wub: instead.........*

^.^ yeh, tyka did a raid and it was sucessful (see i changed my sig tyka ) only problem with starting a legion raid, like said above, your bound to get ppl coming who are lower and will (maybe) bitch and whine about not getting a drop, there needs to be set groups (similar to censi but a greater number of guilds)

 

[censi]

Come on Tyka,

its a well known fact that without me Vengeance would have fallen apart months ago.... dooh

Seriously though.... They will be very very very very few hibernians out there willing to do free for all raids... (though id like to be proved wrong on that)

I will do a few more free for alls every now and then Ziva.... But like I tried to explain in that massive flame post that was created, u can only do so many raids b4 you just get bored with it...

What Tyka has said is totally correct, theres nothing to stop anybody doing anything in this game, its all down to the individual and the effort they are willing to go to.

I also got to say this attack raid thing we did with llaw and vgn b4 worked so well.. there was no arguements.. we all played well... getting to legion took about 3 mins... killing him was actually challenging and fun.... and the giving out the loot took about 4 mins and everyone was back rvring quickly...

I would much prefer to do the above type of raid than the zerg one...but tbh Im really only thinking about S.I now

but Ziva just for you we can do a free for all again soon if you want m8y...

 

[old.Tzeentch]

tyka is correct

everyone always bitches and whines about how shit should be, but no one ever gets off their ass and does something

tyka is one of the few people i know who do

 

[StormriderX]

/em senses this will turn out to be a rather long whine/flame thread just like the others. Sincerly hopes that he is wrong. sighs and leaves head shaking his head at the divided realm that was once great.

How far hibernia has fallen

 

[angara-ffs]

I dont really think this is a flame...people just ventilating how they see things.
Ah well, i dont like legion, but i do like the people who organise it for others!!
Giv them a big instead of trolling them....

 

[Ziva]

Originally posted by stormriderx
/em senses this will turn out to be a rather long whine/flame thread just like the others. Sincerly hopes that he is wrong. sighs and leaves head shaking his head at the divided realm that was once great.

How far hibernia has fallen

I'm afraid u are right m8.... my intention was never to start a flame tread and yet a big part of it has become one (can someone tell me if there's another board perhaps?).

Thanx for those who answered so far but i really are not getting my point: my point is not about WHO makes the raid, not about WHO is not making it, not about ANYONE should be able...it was just a question for people to come up with some ideas for a fair, free for all Legion Raid.

Now please stop thinking i'm flaming anyone cause i'm not. I just don't agree with the way things are handled right now even though i do understand why they are like this. I know i can make my own raid, so please don't repeat this everytime... i just hope some people can help with ideas on this matter.

And as for the free for all part... i'm not saying anyone should be able to join, i'm more thinking any guild/random group should be able to join and all i'm really asking for are ideas to make this happen.

 

[Tyka]

Ziva i do get your point, i'm afraid you dont get mine though. You wanted peoples opinion and ideas about how future legion raids could be done without much trouble, i think it wont work asking on these boards, cause whatever they say they will do different once they are organising it. And btw i never said you are flaming, go on with this thread if you want i think it's interesting

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by Tyka


This is what i get for posting my opinions on a thread.
Listen you board troll, Vengeance has never needed anyone to get what they want, we could always take care of ourselves and dont need to be in Censi's raids to get what we need.

Of course not and my comment was intended to be a humorous one, my apologies that you took offense.

Censi does have a right to run raids any way he pleases, just for many it's a loss since they neither have the time or even the skills to do some themselves.

If anything it might get more raids running.

 

[thebinarysurfer]

I can understand why the legion raids are in the new format - 'cause i've been on most of the old format ones and omfg was the lotto process horrible for those in the lotto groups - let alone those running them.

With reference to Tyka's comment about starting your own - i agree - nice idea in theory BUT there will never be the numbers or the levels in most of the smaller guilds even if they band together - and dont even get me started on trying to get into one unguilded lol.
As for why other people dont start them (assuming they get around the numbers and levels problem) Tyka i'd have to say that unless you're from a 'big guild' or are 'well known' for organising raids, people assume you have no clue as to running once and hence dont bother to join. I myself have attempted to get 2 sheeroe prince raids going in times past and had a turnout that was, considering the number of people i invited, quite frankly pathetic and completely unworkable.

I understand people play for they're own fun first and thats fair enough - i wouldnt expect it otherwise. However once you've got a few legion raids in surely it wouldnt hurt to open it to other guilds getting the legion drops - if you strengthen your realmmates you strengthen yourselves in the end.
Those claiming the legion drops might do well to think of others once they're own needs have been fufiled.

Lastly apologies for going ld just as i was sorting out which group to join. ISP has been playing silly buggers with me all day since about 5pm.