Legendary wps VS usual sla/cru/thru wps

[Glacius]

I ve been doing som tests with a friend who has a BB..and saw a few thingies . The legend weps from sun belt..energy based in our realm..make alot more dmg to enemy tanks then any normal weps..and wanan know why..cause that the way i understand it..u hit with slash < enemy has 26% slash res + the usual abs that any tank has 19% ,24% etc..> and u make a dmg... but lets take energy dmg from LW ..<enemy has 26% + a low aom..wich isnt much diff..+ grp based res..who so many times r missed casue they wear off and u get caught with em down so many times.. and u get a higher dmg..>
Im 2h crush hibrid..and i saw that with crush.. i hit somewhere around 400+ fully bufed....max 500 ....while with energy 2h hammer i do 500+ anytime and sometimes if enemy has low res dmg goes up to 600 + .
Was in emain in a night and got the hammer debuf on a skald... and did a nice 700 + on him ...so ..legend weps rock..the thingy to take slash/crush/thrust to hit with + on that and with - on that ..its gone.

 

[Simmern]

______________Heat___Cold___Matter___Energy
all Cloth_______+0%____+0%_____+0%_____+0%
all Leather____+15%____-10%____-5%_____+0%
Studded/Reinf__-10%____+5%_____+5%_____+5%
all Chain______-10%____+0%_____+0%_____+10%
Plate/Scale____-10%____+10%____-10%____+10%

So studded, chain and plate is all vulnerable to energy.

 

[Kagato]

I think alot avoid legendary weapons simply because doing good damage does rely upon the proc activating early in the fight. Its great if it does, but nothing special if it does not, and I don't think any legendary weapons can really compare with the sunbelt ones anyway.

This as well as the fact that many want to be using their battlers etc is probably why theres not many about.

Though there seems to be an aweful lot of keep guards running around with sunbelt weapons

 

[Ilienwyn]

Cold one is nice for reavers and also good when playing in pbaoe group that debuffs. Give body legendary btw as sorc/cab groups are quite fotm atm and would love to "abuse" the debuff they do

 

[Jaem-]

if you were a stealther, then I'd recommend getting a heat lg to combat all the assasins running around, but for group battles, people will have a ton of magic resists from their buff classes in group. looking up to 50%+ less dmg being done.

 

[Thamiel]

tried hitting on a caster debuffed mob and it didnt affect my lgm damage at all, was heat debuff and heat lgm.
Anyone who can confirm that caster debuffed mobs/players will affect damage from lgm?

 

[Carrera]

only works in rvr, not pve

 

[Dordanov]

only works in rvr, not pve

Aye, I get that feeling tho, at least to say: I don't see any significant dmg increases after the proc on my Sun Weap goes off in PvE, yet to test it in RvR though, usually don't see it proc too often there as i' m usually busy on defensive duty's..

 

[Javai]

The bonus from the weapons only works for the weapons themselves in rvr but if you use a cold debuff weapon then ice wizzies will see difference in pve as well. Similarly, spirit LW and Wind Theurg.

 

[Glacius]

M8ts the only difference between LW and sunbelt ones is 2% melee/style dmg and a shitty 2% speed bonus wich u can get from any item....doesnt seem so ubah to me ..and a 99% qual wep aint so much diff compared to 100%
AND i was refering to the fact that u will alwais hit a tank for alot more dmg with LW simply because u ecounter his elemental resist wich is 26% compared to a slash attack who encounter 26% slash and the absorbtion that any tank has + his AF .

U will make same dmg on a tank with LW and Crush/thru/sla dmg..when he has the grp elemental resist ..geting him to a 26%+24 % = 50% res..and -10%=40% ..and ..if we think at the fact that grp res r forgoten sometimes+ with NF ..casters will be able to take the melee abs ..i d love to see the dmg u l make with conventional weps

 

[Glacius]

I think alot avoid legendary weapons simply because doing good damage does rely upon the proc activating early in the fight. Its great if it does, but nothing special if it does not

If u get the debuf u dont make good dmg.. u make A HELL OF A DMG ! how i said i maked 715 dmg in a swing when i got the debuf on a skaldy last night..w/o crit ..and u make good dmg anytime..even if u dont get ur debuff ..i m lookin forward to meet u in game and make a test Kagato u ll hit me with ur weap..<duno ur spec etc tbh > and i ll hit u with mine ..and u ll see a big diff..casue i alrdy maked som tests with Bloodthorn ..and i know i ll never use normal weps in a duel/rvr gainst players.

 

[Skilgannon]

Used Sun Spiked Flail in RvR for a while but now i don't bother. Damage is ok but not great. As Kagato says, it is an uber weapon if proc fires early. If proc doesn't fire then the weapon is above average but not the best out there.

Sun flail is now used to save on con in pve whilst I use Snakecharmers Whip (slash)and Divine Light (crush) for RvR. They hit consistently hard and have much better procs.

 

[Glacius]

Skilg..as a reaver ur main dmg is based on ur levi proc..your melee dmg beeing weaker then of an arms merc etc..cause u r hibryd ..and in rvr i dont expect any of the Snakecharmer's wep proc or so..i want fast dmg..+ if u get a legend weap cold based ..ur levi 's dmg will be enhanced

 

[Skilgannon]

Skilg..as a reaver ur main dmg is based on ur levi proc..your melee dmg beeing weaker then of an arms merc etc..cause u r hibryd ..and in rvr i dont expect any of the Snakecharmer's wep proc or so..i want fast dmg..+ if u get a legend weap cold based ..ur levi 's dmg will be enhanced

Snakecharmers procs around 1 in 4. Divine Light around 1 in 3. Having end/pow/hits returned is uber.

I am not dependant on levi and nor does most of my damage come from levi. Even when I was a slam Reaver I still used other styles. Now the bulk of my damage is reactionary and SR. (I still levi when grouped but I am mostly solo.)

 

[Kagato]

If u get the debuf u dont make good dmg.. u make A HELL OF A DMG ! how i said i maked 715 dmg in a swing when i got the debuf on a skaldy last night..w/o crit ..and u make good dmg anytime..even if u dont get ur debuff ..i m lookin forward to meet u in game and make a test Kagato u ll hit me with ur weap..<duno ur spec etc tbh > and i ll hit u with mine ..and u ll see a big diff..casue i alrdy maked som tests with Bloodthorn ..and i know i ll never use normal weps in a duel/rvr gainst players.

The differance there is your hit will only be exceptional for the duration of the proc once the proc lands, which between parries blocks and misses could be on the first hit or the 10th attack.

It may well be worth going for for some people, not for others, I was tempted to try legendary weapons and still plan to when I can be bothered but at the moment I do not consider them reliable enough to risk using in RvR, i'd rather keep using my SoK.

 

[Pin]

M8ts the only difference between LW and sunbelt ones is 2% melee/style dmg and a shitty 2% speed bonus wich u can get from any item....doesnt seem so ubah to me ..and a 99% qual wep aint so much diff compared to 100%
AND i was refering to the fact that u will alwais hit a tank for alot more dmg with LW simply because u ecounter his elemental resist wich is 26% compared to a slash attack who encounter 26% slash and the absorbtion that any tank has + his AF .

U will make same dmg on a tank with LW and Crush/thru/sla dmg..when he has the grp elemental resist ..geting him to a 26%+24 % = 50% res..and -10%=40% ..and ..if we think at the fact that grp res r forgoten sometimes+ with NF ..casters will be able to take the melee abs ..i d love to see the dmg u l make with conventional weps

Sorry, but that's basically entirely false.


And no, most of my damage as a Reaver does not come from the Levi proc. Abs-debuffed styled melee hits much harder against most targets.

 

[Glacius]

Sorry, but that's basically entirely false.


And no, most of my damage as a Reaver does not come from the Levi proc. Abs-debuffed styled melee hits much harder against most targets.

I have a reaver and i know how hard they can hit in melee..and they hit low..compared to an arms full slash or merc who have weapon skill 1400+ unbufed ..and around 2000+ buffed ..while a reaver beeing hibryd is nothing more then a pala trained full weap..with 1100+ max weap skill ...so...if levi is not around ... the reaver can kick the buket .

 

[Pin]

I have a reaver and i know how hard they can hit in melee..and they hit low..compared to an arms full slash or merc who have weapon skill 1400+ unbufed ..and around 2000+ buffed ..while a reaver beeing hibryd is nothing more then a pala trained full weap..with 1100+ max weap skill ...so...if levi is not around ... the reaver can kick the buket .

Yes, a Reaver will have similar weaponskill to a 50Slash Paladin, but:

Flex styles have ~50% higher style growth rates than Slash (Levi being one of the lower ones in the line - block, parry, side chains and Asp all have higher).
Reavers have Absorb debuffs (most 13% delve).

The only way you'll be hitting like a Paladin is if you forget to use your chants, or don't know how to use styles.

Average Levi proc hits for roughly:
150 vs grouped Mids
220 vs grouped Hibs
270 vs soloers with good gear
(up to) 380 vs random PL'd stealthers who die as soon as you breathe on them

The melee portion of Levi is dependent on weapon speed and target armour, but it rarely drops below proc damage (usually only when abs debuff is not used or resisted) and other styles have higher melee components.


No. A Reaver's 'main source of damage' is not the levi proc, and nor am I reliant on it to do faster damage than an Armsman.

 

[Skilgannon]

I have a reaver and i know how hard they can hit in melee..and they hit low

If thats the case you are not playing a Reaver, you are playing a slam/levi spammer. Reavers have so much more to offer, but I will concede that it takes time to master.

If you solo then there is a very high probability that slam will be purged. Very few non-stealthers solo and therefore even with wrack most of a Reavers fights start with a stealther calling the ball. Stealthers will not generally initiate against a Reaver unless purge is up. If they purge your slam, then in your mind the Reaver has lost cause you gonna have hard time landing levi. That is not the case with the Reavers that I know.

Some of the most incredible fights come with 2-3 Reavers grouped and cross-guarding, maybe with a Pala thrown into the mix. Add in a confined space such as MG room and very hard for the enemy. Those Reavers aren't spamming levi, they are going for the chains while blocking for each other.

The truth is that a Reaver will not lose in same RR 1 vs 1 melee if both the Reaver and opponant have the same IP state. A well-played pala can take a reaver but Mid/Hib don't have many paladins. Even unstyled a reaver will take down opponants quickly due to their armour suffering abs loss.

If you are hitting like a wuss unstyled or with Viper/Kingsnake then something is wrong. Check your gear (qual and level) cause something is wrong.

 

[Glacius]

I didnt maked this thread to discuss reaver issues ..but if u got reaver problems here..leme tell u that i saw 1 vs 1 fights in emain vs sb s luri's and if they purge ur slam ..u have big problems cause its hard to get an after block/parry style VS a DWer... and u cant talk about soulrending ..if u dont have 50 into it , grped with a pala etc..its another story .

 

[Skilgannon]

u have big problems cause its hard to get an after block/parry style VS a DWer...

Sorry, I beg to differ. Even unstyled a Reaver will drop an SB 1 vs 1, unless very big RR difference. You'll probably land Viper at some point but tbh it doesn't matter. He'll still drop unless his mates save him.