Left Axe style damage: (need people to test)

[Melachi]

Follow these steps if you have a berserker/shadowblade and would like to help me test something, at the moment my account is deactivated thats why im asking you folks.

Requirements: Must be level 50, using a 16.2dps mainhand (or rr5 using 16.5dps mainhand, if your this please say so in your post).
Must have an offhand axe which has no stats on it, but it doesnt matter what level or quality or con its in.

Go find some low grey mobs and hit them unstyled a few times, see if you are hitting them for cap damage.

Using just a Main-Hand axe, hit a grey mob unstyled. Note down the damage you did, and any resist modifiers that were applied, eg 250(-50).

Then use an Anytimer style on it (plague or drawout preferably), again note down the total damage you did, ie 450(-75)

Now calculate the actual damage you would have done if there were no resists, if you got damage of 300(-50) then your damage is 350, and if you got 300(+50) then your damage is 250. Do this for both styled and unstyled hits.

Now subtract the total unstyled damage you did from the total styled damage
and note down this number, this is the style damage.

Now do this all again with an offhand with no stats in your offhand, using the exact same style. And again noting all the info.

The reason of this test is to see if style damage while using an offhand is the same as not using an offhand, the total style damage from both should be the same, but I am under the impression that with the offhand equiped it wont be the same, it will be lower.

However I am still skeptical that I have made an error somewhere, but If I havent, and when styling with the same styles with an offhand is lower than without an offhand we may have just proven Wyrd wrong in the fact that LA may need higher growth rates :O

But of course im not 100% sure until tests are done ect...

Results from the test that I need from you is. (Screenshots would be great)
All the figures, unstyled with no offhand, styled with no offhand, unstyled with offhand, styled with offhand, LA spec, Mainhand Effective Dps.


Disclaimer: Everything here is just theory and not to be taught of as fact in any way, this is not a LA-v-DW disscussion, and its DEFINETLY NOT an Infil-v-SB disscussion so bugger off if thats what you intend to talk about


If there is errors in the method of testing please reply with how, what I am trying to figure out is if, the Style Multiplier is raised when dual wielding to compensate for penalised base damage, OR if LA style damage is calculated by multiplying the Style Multiplier by Unmodified base damage, if you know how to do this, please do so and give me the results :x


Thanks.

 

[willowywicca]

Error with testing:
On grey con mobs you do cap dmg, the negative modifier (eg 300(-50) ) is applied *before* the capping, so even if it had no resists you would have still only hit for 300(-0) or 300. (Assuming the grey con mob was low level enough that you hit for cap)

 

[Tasslehoff]

Why not just look at the style damage which is written up in the ()?

It says like you perform PA perfectly and do (+304)
You hit for 600 damage (- 99)

 

[Alithiel]

What you're seeing is the haste effect.

If your off-hand weapon is the same speed as your main hand weapon, the style damage will be the same as if you just have the main hand weapon equipped.
However, if your off-hand weapon is faster than your main hand weapon, then both will swing at the average speed of the 2 weapons and your style damage will be less.

The amount of style damage you do is affected by the weapon swing speed to ensure that you do the same amount of style damage over time regardless of what speed you are swinging at, so with a faster swing time you do less style damage per hit.

Base damage is not affected by swing speed.

 

[Melachi]

Error with testing:
On grey con mobs you do cap dmg, the negative modifier (eg 300(-50) ) is applied *before* the capping, so even if it had no resists you would have still only hit for 300(-0) or 300. (Assuming the grey con mob was low level enough that you hit for cap)

Ahh yeah forgot about this, thanks, so no need to add or subtract the (-/+##). Thanks Willow

Why not just look at the style damage which is written up in the ()?

It says like you perform PA perfectly and do (+304)
You hit for 600 damage (- 99)

Because as far as I can remeber, if you do cap damage, the style damage thats written up on top is a huge number that is incorrect.

What you're seeing is the haste effect.

If your off-hand weapon is the same speed as your main hand weapon, the style damage will be the same as if you just have the main hand weapon equipped.
However, if your off-hand weapon is faster than your main hand weapon, then both will swing at the average speed of the 2 weapons and your style damage will be less.

The amount of style damage you do is affected by the weapon swing speed to ensure that you do the same amount of style damage over time regardless of what speed you are swinging at, so with a faster swing time you do less style damage per hit.

Base damage is not affected by swing speed.

Incorrect, style damage is not modified by LA haste, only quickness, haste buffs, and weapon speed.

So if a 4.0 mainhand and a 4.0 offhand gave 100 style damage
so would a 4.0 mainhand and a 3.0 offhand give 100 style damage.

Still would love someone to test this. In short what im trying to see is...

Is style damage with a Offhand weapon for left axe users LOWER than just using a mainhand? If it is, its a penalty that im pretty sure should not exist.