Least enjoyable game of CS ever :(

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old.Quorthon

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Well, I haven't played Q3 in months as people know, due to my new-found love of CS, but I just had a game that finally made me play Ra3 for the first time in ages again.

Map; CS_Siege. I was playing as CT, and doing quite well as it happens, all things considered.

Problem, teams were 10 T v 8 CT, with T's determined to camp out their base (as is their right) rather than rush and give us a chance. They had around 4 AWM's, 2 behind the crates to the left of the jeep covereing the ramp, and 1 or 2 more covering the sewer entrance from the small stairs leading to the hossie area. As if this weren't bad enough, 1 of the CT's was actually off having his lunch or summat, so it was really 10 v 7.

Now this map is difficult enough as it is for CT's, even with the same no of players, but with this kind of imbalance it was just fucking ridiculous. Any requests to even up the teams were just met with accusations of whinging, moaning etc. We couldnt get the non-playing CT kicked either. It was ridiculous at times cos at one point it was down to 5 T's against this one vegetable, and STILL THEY CAMPED THEIR BASE!!!!!! (admittedly this was the first time we realised he wasnt playing but still, you get my point). You expect when it is down to this many peeps, that the larger no of players will hunt down the 1 remaining enemy.

Furthermore, if seems that whenever a new player would join the map, that they thought to themselves "Bugger me, this is siege and Im gonna get slaughtered as a CT" and went and joined the T team, at 1 point the team imbalance was actually 11 v 6!!!!!!!

No I dont pretend to know the mentality of people playing these games but I must question what sort of kick they get out of being on a winning side in these circumstances. Are these the same people who beat up grannies at bustops??

I still think back to my dissertation on this board a month or so ago for which I am grateful to many of you for excellent feedback I got. In that waffle-fest, I said that while I now loved CS & thought it was excellent, I still recognized the flaws in the game that prevent it being perfect. Well this time something really snapped in me, a sickening feeling that the whole thing was just rather pointless. The whole "teamplay & tactics" thing goes out the window in these circumstances & the game seems rather hollow. That is why I felt all of a sudden like a game of Rocket Arena 3. It just feels so much more......er........honest?!??? No pretensions of grandeur or of being anything more than pure deathmatch, but all good fun.

The above fiasco could have been prevented by team auto_assigning being taken out of the hands of the players. Auto_assigning should be compulsory. Again, I re-iterate the view that on maps which are heavily weighted in favour of 1 or other team and which promote & encourage tactical camping, that their player numbers should be limited. Certainly, the game should not allow new joiners to continually join an already over-subcribed team.

Anway, it was refreshing to get back to some Ra3, but fuck me!!!, I cant get used to the speed of it!!!! Its like CS on crack & E after 10 double espressos!!!!!!!!


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~Lazarus~

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Understand the frustration Q.

I dont know about ne1 else but I always select autoassign when joining a new game.

Does get pathetic when no one is prepared to even up the teams - more so when you cant do anything about it.
 
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Ch3tan

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If it was a BW server mp_autoteambalance will also be set to 1.

This means that the server will auto swap the top player (s) from the team with more players to the other team after 1 round of unfair play. Obviusly with people constantly leaving the game this can fuck up, and some players change whenever they see a chance.

However the only real solution is to pick 1 or 2 servers and play on them regurlary, u wil notice a community of players who stick to thoose servers to -and if u are lucky they will be of the non lame variety.

Alas the best way to play all team based games is still in a clan, public play is a poor substitute and I only use it to practise up.
 
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old.Quorthon

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Originally posted by Ch3tan
If it was a BW server mp_autoteambalance will also be set to 1.

This means that the server will auto swap the top player (s) from the team with more players to the other team after 1 round of unfair play. Obviusly with people constantly leaving the game this can fuck up, and some players change whenever they see a chance.

However the only real solution is to pick 1 or 2 servers and play on them regurlary, u wil notice a community of players who stick to thoose servers to -and if u are lucky they will be of the non lame variety.

Alas the best way to play all team based games is still in a clan, public play is a poor substitute and I only use it to practise up.

It was a BW server m8 & this works to some extent but not very effectively for the reasons you have listed. However, it doesnt prevent people from joining an already unbalanced team. Also, when you have a redundant player as we had it obviously wont work.

But anyway, although I feel there are one or two small modifications to the game that would improve it immensely and could be easily implemented, my gripe is more with the players on the other team. There are times when you expect fair play & integrity to prevail, but nowadays this is sadly more and more lacking. The "I must be at the top of the scoreboard at all costs" mentality rules supreme & sadly despite its protestations to the contrary, CS is one of the easist games to do this in.

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Wilier

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I must admit I dont 'auto assign', but I do go to the team with the least players, or theyre even, the one with the least amount of kills/wins. I would love to come top sometime, in fact I actually was top once, for two rounds:clap: but it didnt last for long as my gung-ho, clear em out, soften em up tactic took effect.

Still it is a great game, if you ignore all the flaming, and I actually look forward to playing, since I dont get the chance very often.
 
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Embattle

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I join the team with least players and don't care if I get killed :)
 
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Ch3tan

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autoteambalance does actually stop u joining a unbalanced team.

It wont let u join teh team with 2 more players than the other team.

so for instance if it was 9 v7 you would only be able to join teh team with 7 players.

however if it was 8 v 7 it does let u join the team with 8 (in my experience when joining a server, not always though).

also when u use auto assign or try and join a team when autoteambalance is on, it wont let u join teh team with more alive members than dead -so in some cases where u join a game mid round and teams are fair, u cant joint eh team of your liking, u must join teh team that has least live players.
 
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throdgrain

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i always auto-assign.maybe thats why i almost always get killed a lot.funnily enough ,i almost always auto asign and get ct.
i know what u mean q, i've spent about a month playing c.s. now,and initially was amazed at how good it was.now i find myself creeping back to q2...
figure i'll prolly give it another month :)
 
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old.Quorthon

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Originally posted by throdgrain
i always auto-assign.maybe thats why i almost always get killed a lot.funnily enough ,i almost always auto asign and get ct.
i know what u mean q, i've spent about a month playing c.s. now,and initially was amazed at how good it was.now i find myself creeping back to q2...
figure i'll prolly give it another month :)

Good ole Q2 eh??? hmmm, haven't played that in ages. Must give it a go again soon. What mods are people still playing tho m8? I dont want to go to all the trouble of installing & patching etc for nowt.

To Ch3tan, I appreciate that autoassign does something of a job, but it still does seem to allow teams to become extremely unbalanced.

Personally, I always use auto-assign, and then if I find that it has somehow plonked me on the winning team I will usually manually change to the other team. Besides I think that trying out maps from different points of view has to be good for your game, as it were. "know your enemy" so to speak. :)


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shabazz

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/me adopts comic guy voice

"worst thread ever"


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Ono

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Quorthon mate.

I wouldn't let it get to you.

If a server is being populated by a bunch of Tosspots then just leave and get a nicer one. I do it all the time OR

Change name and start fucking around. :)



Stay with us on CS. You are getting good and I have a yardstick to match my skills against :p
 
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throdgrain

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q:
a lot of the mods are dead m8.rogue is WELL dead.xatrix is nearly dead.
dm on the other hand seems well popular still,amazing really.i play that and battle mod of course.freezetag still seems well popular ,tho the bitching on that from frozen types is bloody awesome.
cu there maybe :)
 
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old.Quorthon

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Originally posted by Ono
Quorthon mate.

I wouldn't let it get to you.

If a server is being populated by a bunch of Tosspots then just leave and get a nicer one. I do it all the time OR

Change name and start fucking around. :)



Stay with us on CS. You are getting good and I have a yardstick to match my skills against :p

:D:D:D I'm a yardstick now eh m8???

I must be playing this game too much :D

To Thoddy, pity LMCTF died :(. That wasby far and away my favourite mod of all time. :(

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throdgrain

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didnt think of them dont play q2 ctf for some reason.just cant get on with grapple .i tend to play q3 ctf...
just had some top games on nguk(spit) battle server tho!
 

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