League against cruel scams

[Tom]

fucking brilliant

God, I'm crying with laughter here. Absolutely fucking brilliant, I hope the busybody interfering cnuts are bankrupted.

 

[Turamber]

Tom are you so firmly up Jeremy 'Complete ****' Clarkson's arse that you can't see how stupid that is and what a waste of charitable funds it is? (a) if you live in a city what the hell do you care about fox hunting for anyway and (b) is the right way to keep vermin down for a 100 'hurrah henry' types to dress like Butlin rejects, and ultimately to rip the fox limb from limb.

 

[Uncle Sick]

Good grief. I am siding with Turamber here.

What is this world coming to? The end is nigh...

 

[ECA]

Lol personally I think the league for something to do on sunday against the toffs quite deserves it.

Where are they feeding the worlds starving or campaigning for globalisation issues or something that matters more than whether a hundred animals a year die, they would contribute more to society by rimming me.

 

[DaGaffer]

Tom are you so firmly up Jeremy 'Complete ****' Clarkson's arse that you can't see how stupid that is and what a waste of charitable funds it is? (a) if you live in a city what the hell do you care about fox hunting for anyway and (b) is the right way to keep vermin down for a 100 'hurrah henry' types to dress like Butlin rejects, and ultimately to rip the fox limb from limb.

Just because they have charitable status doesn't make them a charity. They're a pressure group and you know they'd do exactly the same kind of thing to the hunting lobby if they could. I don't give a shit about either group so I find it pretty funny.

 

[mank!]

you've all just confirmed my worst suspicions.

yes, this forum is becoming the daily mail.

the horror...the horror...

 

[ECA]

Rim me like it was the last supper mank.

 

[Wij]

Lol personally I think the league for something to do on sunday against the toffs quite deserves it.

Where are they feeding the worlds starving or campaigning for globalisation issues or something that matters more than whether a hundred animals a year die, they would contribute more to society by rimming me.

Wij in 'agreeing with ECA shocka'

 

[Will]

I wonder if the CBI has a freepost address...

 

[throdgrain]

The League against cruel sports are a collection of interfering arses. Its they who decide whats "cruel" chaps, not you. Emotive stuff ...

edit
btw that stuff has been going around the shooting forums for weeks, and most of us had decided it was a hoax in itself.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well, personally, i find any sort of scam/hoax a stupid thing to do.

Unless it's to hoax a friend to have sex with a tranny while in a drunken state.

That's hilarious.

 

[Gumbo]

Seems akin to me returning un-asked for credit card applications in the pre paid envelopes provided. Might aswell make them pay twice for sending me the stuff I don't want.

If they're stupid enough to set themselves up like this, they deserve what they get, imho.

 

[TdC]

I don't give a shit about either group so I find it pretty funny

it's inviting disaster. they must have a seriously good faith in human nature to do something like that.

 

[Tom]

Tom are you so firmly up Jeremy 'Complete ****' Clarkson's arse that you can't see how stupid that is and what a waste of charitable funds it is? (a) if you live in a city what the hell do you care about fox hunting for anyway and (b) is the right way to keep vermin down for a 100 'hurrah henry' types to dress like Butlin rejects, and ultimately to rip the fox limb from limb.

hahahah, and whats more I don't live in a city!

 

[ECA]

Wij in 'agreeing with ECA shocka'

You dont really agree, you just want rimming by a bunch of beardies in jumpers!

 

[Furr]

I have to say when it comes to animal activist group (take note i've used the word activist) i don't care what people do to scam them, only means they have less money to buy quadbikes and what not for their hired skin head goons

 

[Turamber]

hahahah, and whats more I don't live in a city!

Seems only the other week you were telling us you lived in Manchester. TBH if Clarkson said to wear a dress and shag a fireman you probably would. Sheep the lots e ya!

 

[Tom]

Manchester is the closest city - but I don't actually live in it.

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12529-1919845,00.html

Thats Clarkson's opinion on things. I tend to agree, when you consider the alternative, a man who casually ignores common sense and seeks to impose his own view of the world upon us - a raving socialist lunatic.

 

[Chilly]

sorry tom, but what that fella says seems pretty sensible to me. What particular points do you object to?

 

[ECA]

He doesnt make sense at all.

I object to this.

Well last week the Department for Transport published the results of the study it had commissioned into the efficacy of its speed cameras. It found that the number of drivers speeding down the roads where fixed cameras had been installed fell by 70%, and the number exceeding the speed limit by more than 15mph dropped by 91%. As a result, 42% fewer people were killed or seriously injured in those places than were killed or injured on the same stretches before the cameras were erected. The number of deaths fell by more than 100 a year. The people blowing up speed cameras have blood on their hands.

Firstly, he assumes speed cameras affect road safety positively, this is very arguable.

He then proceeds to argue that cameras are effective because in their area of placement they reduce speed, great, you only need ( is it three or four? ) accidents to install a camera, so afterwards when there are only 2 less accidents, its 42% less accidents! /clap slowly.

He also points to road death rates falling by 100 per year, great, so what caused the rise that occured the year after? Its just variance. The figure isnt going to be static every year.

The guys arguments are clueless, retarded and childish.

 

[Tom]

sorry tom, but what that fella says seems pretty sensible to me. What particular points do you object to?

> The more you drive, the more bloody-minded and individualistic you become

translation - the more you drive, the less you like other people interfering with your life

> appears to champion the right of householders to shoot burglars in the back

translation - burglars shouldn't expect to be shot if they steal your stuff, they're only doing their job

> The website of the Association of British Drivers carries the usual links to campaigns against humps in the road (yes, people really are that sad)

translation - I don't understand that speed bumps delay emergency services and wreck vehicle suspension, and draw attention away from real hazards. Because I don't like cars, speed bumps are great

> But it also directs its readers to about 50 sites claiming that global warming is a fraud and a lie

translation - the green mantra of human induced global warming should not be questioned, it would be blasphemous, despite no proof either way

> and an article by John Redwood calling for lower taxes.

translation - you're earning too much money, thats not right (despite Monbiot's upper class background and private schooling)

> If there were not a massive hidden subsidy for private transport, those who decry the nannying bureaucrats couldn't afford to leave their drives

What, so the 55billion or so contributed each year in taxes from the motorist is subsidised? EH?

> Speed cameras, according to the government's study, now save the country £258m in annual medical bills: a fraction of the billions in health costs inflicted by Clarkson's chums.

Really, well according to the government (who casually ignore regression to the mean in their statistics - as ECA has pointed out), we should admit inspectors to our homes to value our houses for tax purposes, and not to allow them entry would be a criminal offence. Thanks government, but no thanks

> We know that the breaking of the unions, the dismantling of the welfare state and the sale of council houses that Margaret Thatcher pioneered made us more individualistic.

While at the same time pushing this country out of the dark ages and into the modern world.....

> It shouldn't be hard to see how politically foolish are the current government's transport policies.

Well thankyou, perhaps he realises that subsidising public transport is plain stupid

> Every branch line that is closed, every bus that is taken off the road, every new lane that is added to a motorway hastens the day when the Tories get back behind the wheel.

And thank god for that, maybe when that happens we'll pay less taxes for those who would otherwise not be able to find work.

 

[Tom]

He then proceeds to argue that cameras are effective because in their area of placement they reduce speed, great, you only need ( is it three or four? ) accidents to install a camera, so afterwards when there are only 2 less accidents, its 42% less accidents! /clap slowly.

Its called regression to the mean, and is something that is casually ignored by proponents of speed camera policy.

Oh, and its 4 accidents, and they don't have to have anything to do with speed either. On the M4 (which is now patrolled by speed camera vans at various points), one of the qualifying accidents was a man committing suicide from a bridge. Obviously he fell too fast and broke the speed limit.

 

[Wij]

> Every branch line that is closed, every bus that is taken off the road, every new lane that is added to a motorway hastens the day when the Tories get back behind the wheel.

Wow - stunningly good argument. Impeccable logic

 

[throdgrain]

sorry tom, but what that fella says seems pretty sensible to me. What particular points do you object to?

I think Tom just answered all the points pretty fucking well tbh. I know this is the internet, which means that a discussion, or indeed even a conversation , should be carried out by the means of lots of random statements irrelevant to each other, but even then , on this particular occasion, you should acknowledge his reply

 

[Furr]

Don't worry people, "New" Labour isn't going to win the next election, I just can't see Gordon "I'm running the country on an overdraft" Brown winning, and if Mr Cameron gets himself some good PR people, which he no doubt will it'll be ok and the "natural" goverment will get back in power having had 12 years of getting is arse kicked and having to do something about it.

 

[ECA]

Its a shame, I think brown should win, because then when the economy does go to shit, as its going to, then he would get the blame he so rightly deserves rather than being able to sit in opposition and blame the tories for his own fuckups.

 

[Will]

I had a big post lined up, but I can't be arsed debating point for point. You are actually making Monbiots point for him Tom, with your hatred of the unemployed, your belief in summary execution of criminals, your fundamentally different view of what government is for, and the kind of society you should be living in. Most of your posts do, but this one takes the biscuit tbh.

Your vision of the future is pretty fucking bleak if you follow it through to its obvious conclusion. But you won't, because you don't care as long as you can do anything you want.

 

[DaGaffer]

I had a big post lined up, but I can't be arsed debating point for point. You are actually making Monbiots point for him Tom, with your hatred of the unemployed, your belief in summary execution of criminals, your fundamentally different view of what government is for, and the kind of society you should be living in. Most of your posts do, but this one takes the biscuit tbh.

Your vision of the future is pretty fucking bleak if you follow it through to its obvious conclusion. But you won't, because you don't care as long as you can do anything you want.

There are sooo many loaded statements in those two paragraphs I don't know where to start.

 

[throdgrain]

We want to do what we want.
We DONT want this government intruding into every facet of our bloody lives.

 

[Furr]

Goverment should be small, they are elected to guide us not to rule us. Well thats the non socialist way of thinking anyway.

Basically we live in a country that screwed, there's no debate about it, the country's finances are running on empty. We are like the student that pays for everything by applying for more credit cards and restructuring our debt so we can go that little bit more.

There no point in arguing some people have very different views on how goverment should work. I believe that the centre right goverment model is the best. While some of you will no doubt be centre left ( or Labour) well thats what Labour is meant to be, New Labour doesn't know what it is, its thinks its Labour and Tory and thats why their policies are so fucked and inconsistant.

Just a matter of preference. Either our political entities sort themselves out and realise that they are there to serve us and provide the best standard of life for British Citizens which i believe that David Camerion and the new Tories are restructuring into

or

we might aswell just realise that our goverment systems is broken and give in to Brussels and ask that they make us all federal European citizens, at which i emigrate....