LA fixes?

[kinag]

I'm quite satisfied with my damage, but I read some posts on VN boards (yeah, I know), and it was an idea about leaving the LA anytime style dmg where it is now, and increasing the positionals/reactionaries damage.
And also making Doubler a side style and Aurora Borealis a follow up to it.

The doubler part I like, but I want to hear what you guys think about the changes in damage. Would you say it's a good idea?

I only use my positionals in RvR, as that's where the LA damage is.

This is not even close to a whine thread, I just want to know what people think about that change.

Yet again, it's only a thought.

 

[- Fedaykin -]

LA is fine imo

Bring Savage damage into line and you guys won't feel so left out

 

[harebear]

only n00bies exclude the poor zerkers from groups :|

 

[kinag]

As I said harebear, I don't get left out of groups.

I'm perfectly fine with the damage I do now. I'm not the only one that thinks that neither hehe.

But I just wanted to hear what you perhaps thought about those changes?

There is two things I want though, Flurry and a side style chain

 

[old.Talivar]

no idea on styles for zerks but yes zerks should have flurry no arguments

 

[vindicat0r]

Kinag you seem to be the only Zerker that thinks there dmg is fine.

Increasing Zerker damage could be a mistake. Perhaps it would be best to see how hard savages are hit by the nerf bat, if they are brought totally in line then theres no need to increase your damage as then you become fotm again .

The positional changes could be a good Idea, if they changed that Proc from aura < is it ? > to hit for the the kind of damage levi or VW 3rd chain move does then that would help the struggle to balance zerkers.

/cheer @ still playing your Zerker!

 

[kinag]

Vind, Aurora borealis got a lousy proc on it yes.

But if you notice closely, a Zerker with str relics can do quite good damage.

Flurry and a side style would be enough, no need to raise the LA damage for zerks, perhaps for SB's as they struggle more than me.

Cause what's the deal with 2 back styles? doubler and snowsquall. So make Doubler side style with aurora borealis a high bleed high damage follow up

 

[bloodclot]

i like my zerker alot since i made him as my first char in october 2002. and i am not complaining about the damage in rvr. the positional styles are very nice in rvr and that where the power of the zerker is. in 1.65 the lvl50 LA style gets a little boost, better DD and little higher growrate.

i tried 2H savage but since i am RVRing much lately i finding Zerker more fun to play and no nerfs in sight, and i don't need another tank for rvr, might lvl a warrior for pve. 1100damage zerkmode 2H axe style are nice to

and at the moment in USA

Zerker > Savage

 

[- Fedaykin -]

zerkers/mercs/bm's are approaching a level footing i think with none particularly outshining the other, the way it should be..

so i can't understand why zerks want more damage

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

Originally posted by - Fedaykin -
zerkers/mercs/bm's are approaching a level footing i think with none particularly outshining the other, the way it should be..

so i can't understand why zerks want more damage

Muhahahaha.
Cause they are Mids!
They deserve to be uber!
Regards, Glottis

 

[slikatel]

imo zerks are kinda balanced, if they dont get a lucky hit with 2h for 1k dmg but the rest is exactly like a bm, dmg output that is

 

[kinag]

Oh shit, glottis infested thread, pls go away?

And fedaykin, I'm not wanting more damage, I just wanted to hear what people think, and basically mids.

 

[K0nah]

zerker damage seems about right to me now tbh

problem with giving zerkers more 'anytime' dmg is that it also means more dmg in rat mode... and rat mode can still be very painful atm, ok not 2swings and your dead but still...

giving flurry seems reasonable and as said the rear chain gets some luvvin coming patch

 

[kinag]

Originally posted by K0nah
problem with giving zerkers more 'anytime' dmg is that it also means more dmg in rat mode... and rat mode can still be very painful atm, ok not 2swings and your dead but still...

I never said increase the anytime style dmg did I? The whole idea was giving side chain, flurry and PERHAPS increase back chain dmg by a bit.. This is not my idea, it's stolen from VN

 

[K0nah]

by 'anytime' i meant anytime they werent ratted

 

[nalistah]

maybe LA is ok on zerkers, but sure as hell aint ok on SB.

Some fights my mainhand make less dmg then infils offhand. :great:

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by vindicat0r
Kinag you seem to be the only Zerker that thinks there dmg is fine.

get a clue

 

[old.Lethul]

agree, gifv zerks a side chain and flurry... maybe speccable shield just for the sake of it (not like anyone would use it but still xD)

 

[bloodclot]

yep i am using AXE-side style alot in pve and rvr. give LA sidestyle!

 

[Powahhh]

Originally posted by Arnor
get a clue

agree
cause it can't deal the same dmg with a savage is not meant it is gimped....
but some mids still use 1-2 braincells...
lets see how the nerfbat will hit them (savage) and let them whine
from the hits i have saw in my arms after la-nerf
i find it balanced....
no more 400 from slash zerkers...
too bad now savages deal about 500 dmg in plate (i have been hit once in plate with 550 quad hit...omfg)
but mids do not know about this....
zerker suck cause some kiddos are happy exploiting mythic's mistakes....
/bow to the zerkers that stick in their class and not rolling another fotm and call zerkars gimps....just bow (at least they are using some more braincells to think...nerf this imo)

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by old.Lethul
agree, gifv zerks a side chain and flurry... maybe speccable shield just for the sake of it (not like anyone would use it but still xD)

and increased bleeds, and we're there. The perfect balanced lightank. imo

 

[old.mattshanes]

I played a kinag a few weeks ago, wanted to see how he would compare to my merc, damage was decent, slightly less maybe due to the str relics but never the less the damage was still good, it's just the savages stopping zerks getting groups it seems.All i can say though, zerks are still a nice class, pf is needed a lot in a group too.

I see no harm in giving zerks flurry and a good side style/chain in LA either, one thing i liked about kinag that my merc doesn't have always was the lovely haste effect, never the less if they do get flurry and a good side style/chain with the behind style being improved again they should be on par with a bm/merc completely.

 

[VodkaFairy]

Do you think after the savage nerf savages will be replaced with zerks? :X

 

[old.Emma]

Zerker damage is fine.. its the utility compaired to BM`s or Mercs that sucks.

only one positional style that blows. Better off using the positionals in Axe/Hammer/Sword because they often do more damage and have better style effects.

What LA needs now isnt a damage increase its more positionals.. ie front, side, a better backchain and most defenatly a change to how Teddy mode works currently its an insta kill me sign due to having zero defense when its used.

some of the suggestions on VN have been to keep the defense penalties ie easy to slam etc, but make Vendo immune to CC for the duration of the ability, tighten the crit gap from 1% - 99% to something like 25% - 75%.

Savages with 20% melee bonus are a joke though impossible to heal anyone fast enough when you have the assist train on you

 

[Imon]

Originally posted by vindicat0r
Kinag you seem to be the only Zerker that thinks there dmg is fine.

What do you know about that?
I´m happy with it
it all comes down to if you can play it or not
it´s not like spamming df^^

 

[Blazor Meneth]

IMO give new moves when you do the damn LA styles...they all look the same






And flurry + LA side positional would be a nice add.

 

[uglymug]

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
Muhahahaha.
Cause they are Mids!
They deserve to be uber!
Regards, Glottis

/em waits for his shaman or hunter to get uber

 

[K0nah]

just had a thought why zerkers shouldnt get flurry...

whole idea was to help mercs/bms 'frontload' and well a zerker can since he can use a 2h weapon... 2h ratmode + flurry? no thanks.

 

[duact]

i was once kicked from a random grp 10 in the morning so they could invite a rr2 2h savage

 

[Puppetmistress]

Konah makes a good point with flurry; but I think zerkers should have access to piercing-damage.

Its not exactly fair all light-tanks can choose piercing-dmg except the zerk.