Known EXP. killers

[kain_pravus]

Ok I've always stuck to the rule you don't kill someone while their hammering on a mob, death by an invader is ok death by an invader and loosing a load of experience is dishonourable.

I was in yggdra helping a lvl 6 shadowblade rise money to get him started, I was attacking a con yellow ghoul when I noticed my fried had died followed by me getting 2/3 hit killed by a elf.

If you see Phoenixx please feel free to return the favour, if this is the way the game is meant to be played then so be it... I'll start doing the same.

any more know exp. killers?

 

[Xtro]

So lets see.

You decided to go to the frontier. Yep YOU decided. No one forced you.

An enemy player sees you and kills you - even better you start to XP there so he can deny you some xp - doing his part to stop the old enemy levelling.

And...you whine? For him or her truly role playing and treating you like an enemy in RvR?

Funny

 

[kain_pravus]

you mis-understood friend, the death was not the problem as you said being their opens you up as a target.

Yup they saw me, they saw me attacking a mob, they then killed me mid-combat with the mob. If they had waited until i had killed the mob and then killed me I would have accepted that.

The loss of XP due to a mob/invader combo was put in by mythic to stop people abusing a obious bug that would come to be if no xp was lost (theres a comment on the camelot herald that covers this).

The game is meant to be that death by invader results in no negative loss, people who attack others while ingaged in mob combate are scum who deserve the same thing to happen to them... constantly.

 

[old.cerebus]

lol

What do you expect? Sympathy?

The moment you decided to enter the frontier, you accepted that you could get killed by enemy players. So I don't think you should complain, nor do I think you should name and 'shame' other players (Although I see no shame in doing something that the whole game is based around).

I have been killed by enemy players (Mids most of the time) and lost many hours worth of experience. I don't complain, I accepted that there was a possibility as soon as I left the safety of my home realm I could get killed. It adds to the fun, if we where all assured that we wouldn't get hurt then it would all be pretty pointless.

Going to Yggdra is the only time most of us get to see Mids conning something other than purple. (Well, for at least 5 minutes - then Cruz turns up most of the time and saves the day while you all run off screaming like girlies ).

What are we expected to do? Wait around and dance with you until you get health back? I don't think so, getting realm points is hard enough without all this honour crap that's going about.

The three realms are at war.

Also, you have started a thread by naming this Pheonixx as a Exp killer. What right do you have to say something like this? For all you know he might be a role playing gamer who is actually following the rules of the game. So before you come on these boards and start flaming people why not read up on the the whole point of DAoC and don't complain when you get killed by an enemy player in THE FRONTIER !!!!

 

[kain_pravus]

again my dense friend, death was not the problem, no he shouldn't have waited for my heath to regen... by all means kill me and any and all you meet there.

but killing someone knowing the negative effects that would have is low, sounds like your just a little jellous of high level midgardians.

I knew the risks of being there, guess I under estimated the lenghs to which the weak will go to, it says alot about the person.

 

[Xtro]

Posted by kain_pravus:

"but killing someone knowing the negative effects that would have is low, sounds like your just a little jellous of high level midgardians"

lol I know thats aimed at Cerberus not me but consider this:

I recently sold my main EU account. I was a hunter (yes MIDGARD and no not Xtro) and I would often camp Cruachan Gorge, Mount Collory and Snowdonia (Forest Sauvage zzzz no thnx) and kill ALL WHO I SAW. That meant me killing everything from low low grey to yellows. I wouldnt just kill one - I would camp there all day sometimes, logging off for a few hours then coming back to pop some more. I would particularly aim to give players an XP death. Why? Because I wanted them to be forced to stay inside their realm...well ok I wanted their big brothers and sisters to come out to play too .

Anyway you can call me, a fellow Midgard player, every name you want...I'm damn proud of the amount of people I killed and the more I hindered them levelling the better. What goes around comes around - Mid does it to Hib, Hib does it to Alb, Alb does it to Mid etc etc etc. As far as I know the guy who bought my account is doing a pretty damn good job of carrying on the tradtion too.

Cerb - good post, spot on and well said. Couldnt agree more.

 

[Xtro]

Oh and consider this too (lol rant time).

Here's one of the main reasons I quit (after playing US since day one then EU since day one (stupid mistake moving!))...

Playing my hunter I stealth up to Alb milegate in Emain. I see about 8 mids and about 8 albs lining up and killing each other. er, oh dear another bout of lame RP farming (they werent even duelling, they were just letting themselves die). I walk up and watch one Albion scout mooching about. Pop, he's dead in 5 secs and I pick up 200 Rps thnx very much. What drives me crazy is I get about 3-4 tells along the lines of "why did you kill him??".

BECAUSE HE'S A F**KING ALBION. ARRGH.

I kill an enemy and get hassle rofl WTF is that about?

Unfortunately on EU there is NO IN GAME CSR so this RP farming and lameness gets unpunished. The same kind of thing happens on US = immediate warning from CSR followed by account being suspended/temp ban if not adhered to (and I've witnessed the glorious CSR break up massive duels in seconds). Ok I've strayed WAY off topic lol but you get the idea. All kinds of crap happens in the frontier - xp deaths you cant whine about, RP farming and not playing the game as it should be (thanks GOA for having no in game CSR ).

Very important point tho - no ingame CSR means that if GOA eventually do get the RP totals for guilds and players up it will be meaningless...anyone can stand around and die to friends who arranged it on IRC. Sad state of affairs
uke:

 

[old.kinjo]

I have killed many times by middys whilst fighting with a mob (my own fault for being out there) The best of which was when a group of 5 middys got me and I went down with one blow
I must admite I have been lucky that most times I had no xp loss
I know Phoenixx well and your flame at her is uncalled for. It could just have been the case of the is a middy lets kill it before they kill us and she didn't see the mob or she had already killed a load of middys and knew that your purple army was coming and had to get rid of as many targets as possible to prevent you from helping them if it went bad for them ?
I will ask Phoenixx what she did and why and I might even let you all know
But I for one say the only good middy is a dead one and that go's for you pesty Albs too (I would have killed you all if I wasn't grey to you all )

 

[old.Galoewen]

I think we all understand your point...but if you want to xp without the risk then xp within your realm. If you want that added danger then off to the frontier you go.
Most of us have had this kind of experience of being mezzed or outright killed while xping in the frontier. I think for the most part people expect and accept it.
But what you speak of is an unwritten rule of honour (which I do not stand by) and you should't expect others to either it's not harassment or against the CC.
Another player of your realm that causes you deliberately to lose xp would be going against the CC, they are supposed to be your allies, but between the realms.....
Within the rules of the game not everyone will play by your standards.

 

[Xtro]

Posted by Galoewen

"But what you speak of is an unwritten rule of honour (which I do not stand by) and you should't expect others to either it's not harassment or against the CC."

^^another great point. We are consumers - we pay the money and play how WE want. I'll be damned if I let someone else tell me how to play (as long as I'm not breaking THE OFFICIAL CoC of course). I'm impressed by the replies, hell I might even play my second account for another month at this rate .

 

[old.cerebus]

Originally posted by kain_pravus
again my dense friend, death was not the problem, no he shouldn't have waited for my heath to regen... by all means kill me and any and all you meet there.

but killing someone knowing the negative effects that would have is low, sounds like your just a little jellous of high level midgardians.

I knew the risks of being there, guess I under estimated the lenghs to which the weak will go to, it says alot about the person.

I envy rich people and movie stars, not people who have a high level computer game character.

The fact that you stated that you expect people to kill you just makes your entire arguement silly.

If you knew the risks of being there then fine. Expect to get killed, exp or not. Mids killed me while fighting Mobs most of my early DAoC life. I don't complain or name names. It's all part of the game. In fact it adds to the risk and the over all enjoyment of the game.

The fact that you came on this forum and tried to start a thread as silly as this tells everybody a lot about you mate. Naming names when you know nothing about Pheonixx tells me that you are a bad loser who can't handle it when things go bad.

btw.....Before you start calling people weak and thinking Hibs and Albs all envy you, try to level up past the point where zombies con grey.

 

[kain_pravus]

The argument is a simple one, points have been added along the way. RP farming is against the code of conduct, the fact you haven't been caught doesn't mean it should be allowed, if i see it I'd personally report it and made sure the offenders where punished but thats besides the point.

No XP is safe exp, but the Fundamental and selling point of this game is RvR and to encourage this mythic have made is so you lose nothing by engaging an enemy and meeting death at there hands.

The fact that people can use Opportunity’s to hinder other is a fix to stop players from oppersite realms hunting together, hitting the other if they look like there about to die to a mob there-so not loosing XP to a mob. It's a form of game bug.

Theres more honourable players out there who don't attack other in mob combat, ok you hinder a member of the enemy realm (well not so much hinder but annoy a fellow player).

I won't sink that low, but retribution is in order, I will take names.

Ok lets talk role play, i see a valid point here... Heres my role play, I'm a pissed off midgardian who hates dishonourable warriors who sink so low as to do this, the weak shall be purged. That goes for all three realms.

No honour so shall be wasted on these people, (hense the names taken) an eye for an eye, the valiant shall be met in honourable battle while the low are crush and stabbed in the back.

All I can say is just please don't do it, hatred of the other realms is a good thing but it's a type of grief playing (be it a legal form). and sorry for getting a little moody earlier.

 

[Starkill]

FFS guys I am a Middie and proud but if you dont want to get killed by Tree Huggers etc. dont Xp in the Frontier. Its called that for a reason, do your homework find XP camps in your own realm.

Dont moan cos you got hit by a Hib or Alb while trying to get XP and/or cash.

The Frontier is so named for a bloody good reason. I have XP'd there many a time and got killed by Hibs or Albs and its been fun that is what the game is all about.

"WE ARE AT WAR GUYS"

If you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen, there are plenty of places to XP, don't go to the Frontier. I have to admit if I found a Hib or Alb battling a mob I wouldn't attack for the simple reason I would let the mob do damage and then kill.

I have to be honest though there does seem to be a lot of grey cons gettting killed, this to me is pointless. I would never do this and never will. I want points for a kill not the feeling of killing a weaker indivdual. Mostly I read posts saying that all Middies do this but as a GL my mob don't. We dont profess to have honour it is war after all but grey cons are not worth the effort. If you were soloing would you even consider hitting a grey con mob, I wouldn't no Xp and a waste of time in my book.

When are people going to realise it is war and in war anything goes. I don't remember Churchill, Hitler and any others getting together and discussing how they would do things (appart from the Geneva Convention). You do what you have to, to win period.

Killing greys to me is wrong but hey what do I care I am a Middie and we just own joo Hibs and Albs. Looking forward to the day when I can actually use my tank properly rather than purely ranged attacks. I want to see hundreds beating the #### out of each other on the battlefields.

 

[old.stroke]

Just wanted to point out that even if he had waited till you had killed the mob and then smacked you, you would still suffer the xp death. Only if you had been fully healed you wouldn't have.
And then the opportunity to hit a weak enemy would have been lost.

 

[old.DAoC daCruz]

Hullu folks,

well isnt that cool that we have People out there who are exping in the Frontier ? I mean if noone would go out, we would ONLY have Emain for RvR and tbh Emain sucks ass for me, thats the reason you rarly see me there. Well the Alb PK Campin got better, but most of the time now Mids gathering at AMG and when Albs show up they mostly get slaughtered or run back to PK.

I love to patrol our Frontier, makes much more fun running around from Yggdra to Odin, then to wait with 30 Mids at AMG in Emain.

Isnt it a adrenaline boost for you guys in the Frontier ? Well sure it hurts a bit when u lose exp, but the possibility to fight against PC-Players should definatly raise the fun factor. I am happy that Hibs/Albs comin down to Yggdra, its just we have a 2nd Battleground.

At Lvl 20+ exp loss should not be so bad, and if you dont like it go to homelands and lvl there for a while. I still hope that lots of Mids stay in Yggdra exping, so we have at least something different to Emain.

If you got a problem in Yggdra call: 911-FIRETRUCK-CRUZ


Cruz Mizzile
Troll Skald
<Nemesis>

 

[Belsameth]

Dacruz: you exactly gave the reason why you should try and prevent Exp kills

Exp killing "enemies" will make them think twice about hunting in the fronteer, and thus you have less "Enemies" to hunt making PK camping the only options. and personally I'd rather get a good whipping for an hour orso then bore myself in front of Alb PK

 

[old.Nedowiz]

Originally posted by DAoC daCruz


If you got a problem in Yggdra call: 911-FIRETRUCK-CRUZ

LOL you big evil trolll its allways you or someone of your friends that end my small Yggdra excursions.

Standard expression:

"oooooooooooooh nooooooooo baaaaaaad...BIG troll incoming...its Cruz AGAIN!!!!"

Keep doing it mate

 

[old.cerebus]

grrr

Yeah Cruz, as I said earlier you are the one that ends our little raids. All you Mids should be really happy you have guys like Cruz defending you and taking time out to patrol the frontier.

Exp killing "enemies" will make them think twice about hunting in the fronteer, and thus you have less "Enemies" to hunt making PK camping the only options

If it does make them think twice then that's fine. If you aren't willing to lose experience then don't exp in the frontier. By all means PLEASE go to Emain or our gates, all it means is I have less time to travel to see enemy players. If you guys want to go and camp a PK then that's up to you.

For all those that have never been near an enemy gate zone, it's a very cool experience, your hearts beats like mad and you tend to be very jumpy. I guess this goes after you get to level 50 because you lose that risk of running into stronger players. It's just that many times, as soon as you see a norseman etc, you tend to just run at him, and not think.

I won't kill grey cons players unless they are in danger of giving our position away to enemy players. One time I was in Yggdra and was waving, dancing etc with a grey con Norsewoman.
That's cool I thought, but then after following me about for the last 5 minutes she suddenly started shouting for help. It was 10 seconds later 5 purple cons jumped at me and ganked my ass.

A lot of the time you may see purple Hibs or Albs running around killing you all, that's because most of the time we have low level guild mates etc.. who want a taste of RvR. A lot of players will gank greys to their hearts content, me included, I'm not ashamed to say this as I have been killed far too many times by purple con Mids to care anymore.

As somebody stated earlier we are at war. I payed for this game and I am damned if someone is gonna tell me how to play it. All those that have teamed with me know that I will gladly die an exp death to save anybody within my realm. I'm just not gonna start being all honourable when it comes to killing enemy players.

We have shown that realms should be at war and not the players by being so friendly in this thread. I would gladly go for a drink with any of you but as soon as I take control of my computer game character, I play the game.

Ok lets talk role play, i see a valid point here... Heres my role play, I'm a pissed off midgardian who hates dishonourable warriors who sink so low as to do this, the weak shall be purged. That goes for all three realms.

Okay, so you're a Midgard player who hates the vile Hibs and Albs. You want to wipe them from the earth and think all enemy players are dishonourable. Wow man, where did you come up with that story? I gotta remember that one...........

I expect a lot of people who are complaining about exp kills are the ones that will do it themselves at any opportunity given. So instead of complaining about enemy players killing you, get back to where it's safe and where no Hibs or Albs can get to you and just level up there.

I think all three realms are just as bad as each other, we all use underhand tactics to kill players.

That's the way it is guys. Just be glad you don't have to live in fear of death where ever you go like most games. You'd get killed a lot, lot more.

 

[old.stroke]

Do you get special bonus for hunting in the frontiers? I've seen some tempting mobs outside our PK in Emain. If they do give me more XP than the regular yellow mob in Cornwall i'd sure think again about hunting there
I'd like to have some high level people watching my back though, since Mids are usually not far away from there.
How about arranging a hunting trip? Low levels get a chance to some good xp while the high level bodyguards might see some good rvr action? Sure it won't be long until word is out and the mids arrive in force.

 

[Gef]

That's the way it is guys. Just be glad you don't have to live in fear of death where ever you go like most games. You'd get killed a lot, lot more.

Too right, anyone play UO before they added statloss and Trammel? That ruled beyond belief okay so it could get annoying when you are a newbie out trying to make some money and some PK comes along and ganks you. But hell its a rush trying to leggit as fast as you can, or maybe turn and fight and pray for a miracle. Bit off topic I know but I thought I would add it

Problem was not all people liked it, I saw it as something to work towards. Get as good as you can then reek your revenge. Same goes for the frontiers, you get ganked by a purple middie, dont get mad and start flaming - get some levels and go gank some grey middies

Do you get special bonus for hunting in the frontiers? I've seen some tempting mobs outside our PK in Emain. If they do give me more XP than the regular yellow mob in Cornwall i'd sure think again about hunting there

I think we have a disadvantage out in the fronters, because them bloody middies have all the relics. Well I know I fire my bow about .4 sec slower out there anyway. So XP'ing in the frontiers is a bit counterproductive anyhow.

 

[old.cerebus]

It's just that most frontier mobs aren't farmed as much as many 'in-home realm' mobs and as such, get a chance to get 'older'.

As we all know, these mobs give out more exp because they aren't killed as much as other mobs within your gates. That's why many choose to exp outside in frontier, it's a risk you take to get better exp and level faster.

 

[old.[BC]Revz]

Complaining about an exp death in the frontier hehe

Next you'll be complaining about the length of the trip back from your bind when we could have let an unarmed healer come in and rez you.

 

[Gwelma]

res killers

Ok I(hib)was in odins gate and had to log off cause of real life so when i made it back online i was alone there so i started back to my gate when i got waced by 4 purple con middies, (another 1 hit death). Now i know u are going to say tough luck I shouldnt have been there thats fine. Well i released after the reser coming to heal me got killed by the same group i returned to our Pk ad joined a group who were being camped outside he gate. We attacked and had some losses as did the middies so each side backed off and started resing then i got resed and 2 secs later dead(fine could be an accident but no 2 others had the same faith), finally resed again and buffed and rdy to go again when after a minor victory in which we drove the middies back i got killed (again nothing surprising there) only to be resed and killed again. This is what really pissed me off cause nobody could see this guy or target him. So whats the point of us low lvls sticking with the game if you are going to let such low down dregs ruin it, and i dont care that its a cheat bow and we have cheat spells that work through doors unless something is done about it there wont be any fair play in this game and asfar as i can see middies will always have a player advantage(they have better equipment I will play them) so give those who just want to play it by the rules a chance and try to discourage/hinder/report those in your realm that are CHEATERS and that is all they are cause its against the rules nomatter ow many times people say otherwise. Dragnen proud defender of hibernia

 

[old.stroke]

Well. I don't see why you should withdraw to let people rez at all. Then you can never win and it would be one long.. what? RP Farming. Which is against the CoC.

 

[Gef]

I wouldnt worry about it, we will get some lovely newbie RvR battlegrounds soon. So all us greys can go fight on a nice equal basis, and all those bada$$ purple middies can go and pick on someone their own size, rather than ganking us poor lowbies.

 

[old.cerebus]

This is the main problem with RvR at the moment, the fact that everybody wants to do it no matter what level.

Level 50 players regulary meet level 20 enemy players etc....

Keep with the game and just have fun, soon the battlegrounds will make an appearence and at last RvR will be able to happen between equal numbers and more importantly, levels.

When you get loads of Mids or Albs or Hibs camping a PK or Gate expect to die. Taking out newly rezzed players is probably good tactics although I don't think you get any realm points for it. (I maybe wrong though) The longer the healers are down resting the better your chances are of victory.

In all fairness to the Mids though, they are very well organized and have many high level players. (This is due to many reasons, not just bugs and cheats). I've never personally come across the bugged bow, although my team mates have. It is a problem but I don't think the worst.

Another point is that I would really hate this post to become yet ANOTHER Middy cheat thread. Yes they have an advantage in PvP as well as PvE but that's due to many different reasons.

This isn't targetting any indiviuals but I can tell where this thread is going. Please, please, please, lets get back to the main discussion.

This isn't about any one realm cheating, it's about whether we think we should name and 'shame' players for exp killing.

I may have come across a little harsh earlier but that's because I hate the thought of people getting tagged for doing something like killing a player engaged with a mob. The starter of this thread seems like a decent chap (He is helping a level 6 for example), he thought that this thread would prevent people from exp killing.

The Prydwen community is small and for most of us, friendly. People don't like it when threads go up calling one of their own realm mates though.

Expect a response if you do such a thing.

 

[old.Iominali]

Bah, seems the hard arsed middies aren't that tough after all. I know Phoenixx by name and I've grouped with her one or two times on our Yggdra excursions. I'm just glad to see her manage to off stuff on her own, being a mage and all. Hell, I'm happy to see anything non-stealthing to manage on his/her own out there, as an eldie and a robed caster I know what I'm talking about.

When we're on our Yggdra excursions with a solid HDS group, we tend/try to leave a greycon alive after we've ganked his group. Just to please the bugger. Don't expect us to do this all the time, and think that when you see those green/yellow masses coming for you that you'd be safe. Far from it.

Ffs, people, if we decide not to kill you, you should consider yourself lucky, not a target of honorous deeds. I know I fall in love with every middie I see, I rarely gank anything after the "don't kill the greys!" has been shouted. If one's getting away, I stun him and go give him a hug. But that's just the silly, mentally disconnected, tree-loving, robed match stick (who the gods decided to give pointy ears instead of nasty big pointy teeth) I am. Don't expect such from our 'bolgies. Or anyone.

And if I tend to be on my postal mode, expect to be killed. Hell, sometimes I even charge redcons out of boredom (bhyyl, no more purps ) and admire my morbid state after it.

And for the xp killing. I see no honor in getting more middies outleveling us on the fields of battle, only stupidity. We don't need more middies there, don't think you're special.

DISCLAIMER: Opinions of this highly irrational elven toothpick are often considered "naughty" by certain bards who do item wh*ring. Often getting called as "bad Iomi" against his will. This has traumatized our little elf so harshly, that he throws slurs and slander where ever and at what ever he sees appropriate. The opinions stated here, therefore, are only expressions of a disabled mind, and do not reflect those of the hibbie community at large, or even the mighty Hibernian Dragon Slayers.

 

[malenka]

I had a wander up the zombie camp the other day and was really shocked to see only one group XPing there. When I was going through my 20+ levels, I was there regularly. There used to be so many groups there that it was well and truly camped.

Perhaps it has got so dangerous that ppl are not going there anymore. There did seem to be a lot of invaders around when I was there.

I must admit I can't see the excitement or pleasure in killing grey cons. I would only do it if they were with higher level players. But I guess everyone has their own agenda.

 

[old.Hendrick]

You meet an enemy in the frontier, it's kill or be killed. Plain simple. Realms are at war, so elfs and trolls and the ugly rest shall not expect any mercy, nor are they expected to show it. When you come across an enemy who lets you live, feel lucky, but never expect them to leave you alone just because you are weaker than them. An exp-death can be anything from a particularly mean enemy player to somebody who just charges headlong into battle without even realising that you are fighting. And even if done n purpose I can understand it. When you are fighting a mob in the frontier I would expect you to have company somewhere. So why not kill the enemy as fast and clean as possible? Safe leveling is not possible in the frontier zones, if you want that, go somewhere safe.
As a lvl 31 merc I'll propably never come across any greys to gank, but if I meet an enemy I will try to kill him or get myself some backup to kill him, no matter if he's grey or purple.

 

[Gef]

Kill um .. kill um all!